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| 14:44 yeshellothere | hey guys, is there anything that needs to be done to use FAI on natty? I have a virtual machine here and i get this error on fai-setup: cp: cannot stat `/srv/fai/nfsroot/live/filesystem.dir/boot/vmlinu?-*': No such file or directory |
| 14:44 yeshellothere | i presume i'll need to add a linux-image package, but is everything else now considered working? |
| 14:45 yeshellothere | i remember there were problems on maverick |
| 15:26 oz__ | yeshellothere: add the linux-image package and most should be done |
| 15:34 yeshellothere | oz__: there's already 'linux-image' under PACKAGES aptitude I386 |
| 15:34 yeshellothere | i am guessing this is missing somewhere, lets try making the nfsroot with -v i guess |
| 15:35 oz__ | did you add it in /etc/fai/NFSROOT? |
| 15:35 yeshellothere | it was already there, but i'm guessing it's a virtual package |
| 15:35 yeshellothere | just running make-fai-nfsroot -v now |
| 15:36 yeshellothere | mind if i ask why it uses a debian squeeze debootstrap, then has the natty apt sources? does it install natty using debian? if so: weird :o |
| 15:37 oz__ | mine does, dunno your exact setup |
| 15:37 oz__ | ubuntu basically is debian |
| 15:38 yeshellothere | i just installed a natty VM and installed fai-server, then ran fai-setup :) |
| 15:38 yeshellothere | starting afresh |
| 15:39 yeshellothere | oh, i do actually get some errors |
| 15:39 yeshellothere | Need to get 84.7 MB of archives. After unpacking 228 MB will be used. |
| 15:39 yeshellothere | The following packages have unmet dependencies: |
| 15:39 yeshellothere | console-tools: Conflicts: console-utilities which is a virtual package. |
| 15:39 yeshellothere | Conflicts: open which is a virtual package. |
| 15:39 yeshellothere | kbd: Conflicts: console-utilities which is a virtual package. |
| 15:39 yeshellothere | Conflicts: open which is a virtual package. |
| 15:39 yeshellothere | upstart: Conflicts: sysvinit but 2.88dsf-13.1 is installed. |
| 15:39 yeshellothere | sorry for the spam |
| 15:41 oz__ | I'm not sure which of the packages you have to remove |
| 15:42 oz__ | I'd start up with _all_ of them |
| 15:42 oz__ | then add them again afterward as needed ;) |
| 15:42 yeshellothere | i haven't installed any of these packages, this is part of make-fai-nfsroot in the default configuration |
| 15:42 oz__ | the conficts are due to some othe package config in ubuntu |
| 15:43 yeshellothere | how does that make sense? doesn't it install these into a chroot? |
| 15:43 yeshellothere | yeah just checked, it chroots first, so it shouldn't be anything at all to do with systemwide ubuntu? |
| 15:44 oz__ | as I said don't know your config |
| 15:44 yeshellothere | there is no config, this is the default natty setup |
| 15:44 yeshellothere | i installed natty |
| 15:44 yeshellothere | i installed fai-server |
| 15:44 yeshellothere | i ran fai-setup |
| 15:45 oz__ | fai contains some debian!=ubuntu specific things |
| 15:45 oz__ | I think the package names come from there |
| 15:45 oz__ | oh,,,coffee here |
| 15:47 yeshellothere | so what am i supposed to do here? i don't think i've ever been able to just install fai and do fai-setup without having to find conflicts and things like this |
| 15:47 yeshellothere | might just give up |
| 15:47 oz__ | ....and we'll probably never will |
| 15:49 yeshellothere | i don't think i'm out of line to complain that i can't be a user of the package without becoming a developer? |
| 15:49 oz__ | yeshellothere: just try to be an admin |
| 15:51 yeshellothere | oz__: i just don't understand, did nobody actually test this? because i was in here a couple months ago and the attitude seemed to be that the natty versions were fine and working |
| 15:53 oz__ | yeshellothere: it's very complex. And yes, the examples could be better. |
| 15:53 yeshellothere | oz__: i appreciate it's complex, but i don't understand how the default can be broken, surely packages haven't been shipped with natty specifying uninstallable packages? |
| 15:53 oz__ | but this ain't a complain channel. plz send complains via email :) |
| 15:53 yeshellothere | that's exactly the problem i had with maverick |
| 15:54 yeshellothere | oz__: well i am trying to fix it, but the only fix seems to be 'learn whats wrong and fix it yourself', which isn't helpful :( |
| 15:54 oz__ | install 11.04 |
| 15:54 yeshellothere | i have |
| 15:54 yeshellothere | 11.04 is natty |
| 15:54 yeshellothere | that is what is broken |
| 15:54 yeshellothere | it was broken on maverick |
| 15:54 yeshellothere | and on 2 previous versions too |
| 15:54 oz__ | I have 11.04 running |
| 15:54 oz__ | i'm not so much into ubuntu version 'names' |
| 15:55 oz__ | are the names or jokes? |
| 15:55 oz__ | but I install 11.04 from debian 6.0 (squeeze) |
| 15:56 oz__ | works nice, 1 full-desktop install 300secs |
| 15:57 yeshellothere | oz__: how did you set it up? because i have installed a natty VM, i have updated it to the latest package versions, i installed fai and ran 'fai-setup' |
| 15:57 yeshellothere | and it errored out with those packages which are supplied as part of the default /etc/fai/NFSROOT |
| 15:57 yeshellothere | so my only conclusion is that FAI is shipping with broken packages on ubuntu again |
| 15:57 oz__ | as I said, send mails to the list if you want answer for this |
| 15:58 oz__ | my opinion is a 'yes', but... |
| 15:58 yeshellothere | i don't want an answer, i just wanted a working install so i didn't have to spend weeks setting it up again :( |
| 15:58 yeshellothere | i don't have the motivation to fix this anymore |
| 16:00 oz__ | I could tell you for a install on debian, not for an install on ubuntu |
| 16:00 oz__ | but I'd do as I already told you |
| 16:01 oz__ | just fix the packages in /etc/fai/NFSROOT and /etc/fai/nfsroot.conf |
| 16:03 yeshellothere | but i am not an FAI developer, why am i the one who is having to figure out what packages were incorrectly listed? surely at least one person has tested this properly |
| 16:03 yeshellothere | how do you install from debian then? |
| 16:13 yeshellothere | right i removed some of those conflicting packages, and now i get told 'upstart conflicts with sysvinit', neither of which are in the config, and neither of which are specified anywhere that i can tell |
| 16:14 yeshellothere | it looks like the correct options are not being passed, i refuse to believe that anyone tested this |
| 16:14 yeshellothere | it should be removed from ubuntu |
| 16:15 oz__ | funny |
| 16:16 yeshellothere | WARNING: The following essential packages will be removed. |
| 16:16 yeshellothere | This should NOT be done unless you know exactly what you are doing! sysvinit |
| 16:16 yeshellothere | E: There are problems and -y was used without --force-yes |
| 16:16 yeshellothere | i am serious |
| 16:16 oz__ | I wonder why you use a non-ubuntu debootstrap...? |
| 16:16 yeshellothere | because it is bootstrapping debian squeeze |
| 16:16 yeshellothere | that is the default configuration |
| 16:16 yeshellothere | and it does not pass the appropriate options to have apt remove sysvinit |
| 16:16 yeshellothere | i'm not being funny |
| 16:16 yeshellothere | this package is broken to the extent that it needs fixing by a developer |
| 16:17 oz__ | 'this package'? |
| 16:17 yeshellothere | fai |
| 16:17 yeshellothere | in ubuntu 11.04 |
| 16:17 oz__ | depands on your config. |
| 16:17 oz__ | depends, even |
| 16:17 yeshellothere | the default config, how many times do i have to repeat this, i haven't configured anything |
| 16:17 yeshellothere | it ships broken |
| 16:17 yeshellothere | hence it is broken |
| 16:17 yeshellothere | if i have missed some vital guide please tell me |
| 16:17 oz__ | I agree that the default config won't run out-of the box. |
| 16:18 oz__ | but tell that the maintainers via mail |
| 16:18 yeshellothere | i don't have the energy anymore |
| 16:18 oz__ | what the sources.list in /etc/fai ? |
| 16:19 yeshellothere | they point to my local caching proxy for natty packages |
| 16:19 yeshellothere | they're pointed to ubuntu + natty correctly |
| 16:19 yeshellothere | honestly, I think the idea of FAI is fantastic, and the one or two times i've had it working properly it worked great |
| 16:19 yeshellothere | but i've lost all energy to get it working, especially when it ships so broken that i need to start reading source to figure out where exactly it's doing this |
| 16:20 oz__ | http://www.faqs.org/rfcs/rfc1925.html <- applies also to fai |
| 16:21 oz__ | especially: (8) It is more complicated than you think. |
| 16:22 yeshellothere | that is just not an excuse though |
| 16:22 yeshellothere | imagine if you installed vim |
| 16:22 yeshellothere | but to use vim you had to read through the source, and apply your own fixes |
| 16:23 yeshellothere | otherwise it crashed out with useless error messages |
| 16:23 yeshellothere | would you think this is fine and to be expected? or would you complain and get annoyed? |
| 16:23 oz__ | vim is a completely other thing |
| 16:23 oz__ | but I agree, fai should be shipped working out-of-the-box |
| 16:24 yeshellothere | i wouldn't mind if there was some config that i could change |
| 16:24 yeshellothere | but neither 'upstart' nor 'sysvinit' appear anywhere |
| 16:24 yeshellothere | so i am stuck |
| 16:24 yeshellothere | which has been my experience basically every single time i've tried FAI to install ubuntu |
| 16:25 oz__ | yeshellothere: really nowhere? |
| 16:25 oz__ | do a 'find /etc/ -type f -exec grep sysvinit {} \;' |
| 16:26 oz__ | and 'find /etc/ -type f -exec grep upstart {} \;' |
| 16:26 oz__ | evil thing with these error msgs: mostly they are correct |
| 16:26 yeshellothere | oz__: of course they appear in etc/, but this is making the FAI nfsroot |
| 16:27 yeshellothere | it should not be touching my system packages |
| 16:27 yeshellothere | and grep -iR upstart /etc/fai fails |
| 16:27 yeshellothere | i'm going to go home and have a beer |
| 16:27 yeshellothere | oz__: please tell me how you install ubuntu from debian, because i have plenty of debian hardware too |
| 16:30 oz__ | yeshellothere: setup Debian fai on Debian then, first. |
| 17:02 yeshellothere | oz: thats my plan. |
| 17:03 oz__ | good |
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