[00:21] _julian (~quassel@hmbg-4d06d31c.pool.mediaWays.net) joined #fai. [00:29] _julian_ (~quassel@hmbg-5f76786a.pool.mediaWays.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 480 seconds [08:33] ErKa (~keryell@keryell.pck.nerim.net) joined #fai. [10:05] ErKa (~keryell@keryell.pck.nerim.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 480 seconds [12:12] ErKa (keryell@keryell.pck.nerim.net) joined #fai. [14:43] yeshellothere (~here@ur.fa.gs) joined #fai. [14:44] hey guys, is there anything that needs to be done to use FAI on natty? I have a virtual machine here and i get this error on fai-setup: cp: cannot stat `/srv/fai/nfsroot/live/filesystem.dir/boot/vmlinu?-*': No such file or directory [14:44] i presume i'll need to add a linux-image package, but is everything else now considered working? [14:45] i remember there were problems on maverick [15:26] yeshellothere: add the linux-image package and most should be done [15:34] oz__: there's already 'linux-image' under PACKAGES aptitude I386 [15:34] i am guessing this is missing somewhere, lets try making the nfsroot with -v i guess [15:35] did you add it in /etc/fai/NFSROOT? [15:35] it was already there, but i'm guessing it's a virtual package [15:35] just running make-fai-nfsroot -v now [15:36] mind if i ask why it uses a debian squeeze debootstrap, then has the natty apt sources? does it install natty using debian? if so: weird :o [15:37] mine does, dunno your exact setup [15:37] ubuntu basically is debian [15:38] i just installed a natty VM and installed fai-server, then ran fai-setup :) [15:38] starting afresh [15:39] oh, i do actually get some errors [15:39] Need to get 84.7 MB of archives. After unpacking 228 MB will be used. [15:39] The following packages have unmet dependencies: [15:39] console-tools: Conflicts: console-utilities which is a virtual package. [15:39] Conflicts: open which is a virtual package. [15:39] kbd: Conflicts: console-utilities which is a virtual package. [15:39] Conflicts: open which is a virtual package. [15:39] upstart: Conflicts: sysvinit but 2.88dsf-13.1 is installed. [15:39] sorry for the spam [15:41] I'm not sure which of the packages you have to remove [15:42] I'd start up with _all_ of them [15:42] then add them again afterward as needed ;) [15:42] i haven't installed any of these packages, this is part of make-fai-nfsroot in the default configuration [15:42] the conficts are due to some othe package config in ubuntu [15:43] how does that make sense? doesn't it install these into a chroot? [15:43] yeah just checked, it chroots first, so it shouldn't be anything at all to do with systemwide ubuntu? [15:44] as I said don't know your config [15:44] there is no config, this is the default natty setup [15:44] i installed natty [15:44] i installed fai-server [15:44] i ran fai-setup [15:45] fai contains some debian!=ubuntu specific things [15:45] I think the package names come from there [15:45] oh,,,coffee here [15:47] so what am i supposed to do here? i don't think i've ever been able to just install fai and do fai-setup without having to find conflicts and things like this [15:47] might just give up [15:47] ....and we'll probably never will [15:49] i don't think i'm out of line to complain that i can't be a user of the package without becoming a developer? [15:49] yeshellothere: just try to be an admin [15:51] oz__: i just don't understand, did nobody actually test this? because i was in here a couple months ago and the attitude seemed to be that the natty versions were fine and working [15:53] yeshellothere: it's very complex. And yes, the examples could be better. [15:53] oz__: i appreciate it's complex, but i don't understand how the default can be broken, surely packages haven't been shipped with natty specifying uninstallable packages? [15:53] but this ain't a complain channel. plz send complains via email :) [15:53] that's exactly the problem i had with maverick [15:54] oz__: well i am trying to fix it, but the only fix seems to be 'learn whats wrong and fix it yourself', which isn't helpful :( [15:54] install 11.04 [15:54] i have [15:54] 11.04 is natty [15:54] that is what is broken [15:54] it was broken on maverick [15:54] and on 2 previous versions too [15:54] I have 11.04 running [15:54] i'm not so much into ubuntu version 'names' [15:55] are the names or jokes? [15:55] but I install 11.04 from debian 6.0 (squeeze) [15:56] works nice, 1 full-desktop install 300secs [15:57] oz__: how did you set it up? because i have installed a natty VM, i have updated it to the latest package versions, i installed fai and ran 'fai-setup' [15:57] and it errored out with those packages which are supplied as part of the default /etc/fai/NFSROOT [15:57] so my only conclusion is that FAI is shipping with broken packages on ubuntu again [15:57] as I said, send mails to the list if you want answer for this [15:58] my opinion is a 'yes', but... [15:58] i don't want an answer, i just wanted a working install so i didn't have to spend weeks setting it up again :( [15:58] i don't have the motivation to fix this anymore [16:00] I could tell you for a install on debian, not for an install on ubuntu [16:00] but I'd do as I already told you [16:01] just fix the packages in /etc/fai/NFSROOT and /etc/fai/nfsroot.conf [16:03] but i am not an FAI developer, why am i the one who is having to figure out what packages were incorrectly listed? surely at least one person has tested this properly [16:03] how do you install from debian then? [16:13] right i removed some of those conflicting packages, and now i get told 'upstart conflicts with sysvinit', neither of which are in the config, and neither of which are specified anywhere that i can tell [16:14] it looks like the correct options are not being passed, i refuse to believe that anyone tested this [16:14] it should be removed from ubuntu [16:15] funny [16:16] WARNING: The following essential packages will be removed. [16:16] This should NOT be done unless you know exactly what you are doing! sysvinit [16:16] E: There are problems and -y was used without --force-yes [16:16] i am serious [16:16] I wonder why you use a non-ubuntu debootstrap...? [16:16] because it is bootstrapping debian squeeze [16:16] that is the default configuration [16:16] and it does not pass the appropriate options to have apt remove sysvinit [16:16] i'm not being funny [16:16] this package is broken to the extent that it needs fixing by a developer [16:17] 'this package'? [16:17] fai [16:17] in ubuntu 11.04 [16:17] depands on your config. [16:17] depends, even [16:17] the default config, how many times do i have to repeat this, i haven't configured anything [16:17] it ships broken [16:17] hence it is broken [16:17] if i have missed some vital guide please tell me [16:17] I agree that the default config won't run out-of the box. [16:18] but tell that the maintainers via mail [16:18] i don't have the energy anymore [16:18] what the sources.list in /etc/fai ? [16:19] they point to my local caching proxy for natty packages [16:19] they're pointed to ubuntu + natty correctly [16:19] honestly, I think the idea of FAI is fantastic, and the one or two times i've had it working properly it worked great [16:19] but i've lost all energy to get it working, especially when it ships so broken that i need to start reading source to figure out where exactly it's doing this [16:20] http://www.faqs.org/rfcs/rfc1925.html <- applies also to fai [16:21] especially: (8) It is more complicated than you think. [16:22] that is just not an excuse though [16:22] imagine if you installed vim [16:22] but to use vim you had to read through the source, and apply your own fixes [16:23] otherwise it crashed out with useless error messages [16:23] would you think this is fine and to be expected? or would you complain and get annoyed? [16:23] vim is a completely other thing [16:23] but I agree, fai should be shipped working out-of-the-box [16:24] i wouldn't mind if there was some config that i could change [16:24] but neither 'upstart' nor 'sysvinit' appear anywhere [16:24] so i am stuck [16:24] which has been my experience basically every single time i've tried FAI to install ubuntu [16:25] yeshellothere: really nowhere? [16:25] do a 'find /etc/ -type f -exec grep sysvinit {} \;' [16:26] and 'find /etc/ -type f -exec grep upstart {} \;' [16:26] evil thing with these error msgs: mostly they are correct [16:26] oz__: of course they appear in etc/, but this is making the FAI nfsroot [16:27] it should not be touching my system packages [16:27] and grep -iR upstart /etc/fai fails [16:27] i'm going to go home and have a beer [16:27] oz__: please tell me how you install ubuntu from debian, because i have plenty of debian hardware too [16:30] yeshellothere: setup Debian fai on Debian then, first. [17:02] oz: thats my plan. [17:03] good [18:30] shod (~mm@p579D20F8.dip.t-dialin.net) joined #fai. [18:52] shod (~mm@p579D20F8.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 480 seconds [23:28] ErKa (keryell@keryell.pck.nerim.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 480 seconds [00:00] --- Tue Jun 14 2011