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| 09:32 oz_ | moin |
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| 12:58 mikap | hm, in task_updatebase processes still start up, i think that's something we should have a closer look at |
| 13:02 Mrfai | whick processes? |
| 13:03 mikap | if apache is being updated apache is started within the chroot |
| 13:04 mikap | so: whatever package, invoke-rc.d then starts up services |
| 13:04 mikap | # first setup the environment in /target |
| 13:04 mikap | if [ "$FAI_ACTION" = "install" -o "$FAI_ACTION" = "dirinstall" ]; then |
| 13:05 mikap | [...] fai-divert -a /usr/sbin/policy-rc.d |
| 13:07 Mrfai | task updatebase ist mostly called after the base.tgz is extracted. But this should not include an apache package at all. |
| 13:08 mikap | Mrfai: softupdate |
| 13:08 Mrfai | if you are doing a softupdate, then restarting a daemon is needed, because you are installing a new version of the package. |
| 13:08 mikap | softupdate seems to be pretty "untested" or everyone is using skiptask updatebase and adjusting manually? ;-( |
| 13:09 mikap | Mrfai: in a chroot clearly: no |
| 13:09 mikap | actually you run it fscking big troubles, $buddy though server was been hacked, turned out processes inside a chroot have been started and listening on network interfaces |
| 13:10 oz_ | mikap: s/though/thought/? |
| 13:10 mikap | y |
| 13:10 Mrfai | ok, you are doing softupdate in a chroot environment. |
| 13:10 mikap | Mrfai: yes |
| 13:12 Mrfai | task_updatebase is only calling aptitutde -f -y full-upgrade. If this don't care about a chroot environment and (re)starts daemons, it's a problem of aptitude or the postinst scripts of the package IMHO. |
| 13:13 Mrfai | I think there are many packages that hav postinst script that do not check if they are called inside a chroot |
| 13:13 mikap | Mrfai: policy-rc.d needs to be set up correctly, this is not about maintainer scripts |
| 13:13 mikap | Mrfai: exactly, and that's why we need to manage it through policy-rc.d, we definitely can't rely on all packages being sane |
| 13:14 Mrfai | Then you have to setup policy-rc.d inside your chroot. IMO it's not the task of softupdate to check if it's called inside a chroot. Normally softupdate isn't called inside a chroot |
| 13:20 mikap | that's what i do, but it doesn't solve the problem for other people :) |
| 13:20 mikap | and yes, softupdate is supposed to be working inside chroot, because otherwise FAI wouldn't be necessary ;) |
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| 13:51 mgoetze | mikap: maybe people are using softupdate with updatebase but not in a chroot :) |
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| 14:50 esto | i want to change the default apt repositories that are set when i prepara a pc... whats the more correct steps to make it? |
| 14:50 esto | not use cdn.debian.net |
| 14:50 esto | use an own one |
| 14:51 esto | i replaced on make-nfs-root and it downloaded content from it but the second step is done in cdn.debian.net |
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| 15:02 mgoetze | esto: assuming you don't have files/etc/apt/sources.list/* in your config, just edit /etc/fai/apt/sources.list and rerun make-fai-nfsroot |
| 15:09 esto | thx |
| 15:30 esto | was /etc/fai/apt/sources.list :) |
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| 17:10 mikap | mgoetze: yeah, but if we support chroots (which we do) we should support it sanely :) |
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| 17:40 mgoetze | anyone ever seen this error during softupdate? debconf: DbDriver "_ENV_stack": unable to save changes to: locales/locales_to_be_generated |
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| 18:58 juri_ | can someone tell me if 'mos(possible silent h)nicks' is german or korean for 'little details'? |
| 18:58 juri_ | I just realized, i use the term, and its not english. just wondering where that came from. |
| 19:10 mgoetze | juri_: eh? "possible", "silent" and "nicks" are all english words |
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| 20:52 esto | WARNING: ssh -l fai faiserver failed. Can't call fai-chboot on the install server. |
| 20:53 esto | someone can tell me what can be wrong with this missage? |
| 20:56 mgoetze | esto: i suspect there is nothing wrong with the message and that it does indeed clearly state the correct error |
| 21:02 juri_ | mgotze: i was indicating that i want to pronounce n 'h' there, but it might just be history. ;) |
| 21:02 juri_ | as in, i want to spell it 'mosnix', but that may be due to too much *nix. ;) |
| 21:04 mgoetze | juri_: oh i get it. well none of that sounds remotely germany or korean, though i can't vouch for korean :) |
| 21:33 oz_ | The 2004 Indian Ocean earthquake was an undersea megathrust earthquake |
| 21:33 oz_ | ups, ww |
| 21:38 juri_ | doesn't sound korean to me, either, which is why i asked here. ;) |
| 21:39 mgoetze | eh? never seen any koreans here :) |
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| 23:27 DavidDreezer | when submitting a patch, if it's short, is it preferred to add the file as an attachment, or copy/paste it inline to my email to the news group? |
| 23:30 mgoetze | DavidDreezer: i don't think it matters much one way or the other... |
| 23:31 DavidDreezer | ok, thank you. I didn't want to break protocol |
| 23:38 mgoetze | DavidDreezer: your patch assumes that one will want all the keys installed on the server where the nfsroot is built in the nfsroot |
| 23:40 DavidDreezer | i neglected to mention that this is against 4.0 |
| 23:40 DavidDreezer | it does, we have our debmirror and fai on the same server |
| 23:40 DavidDreezer | and have all the keys there |
| 23:41 DavidDreezer | oh wait |
| 23:41 DavidDreezer | i see what you mean |
| 23:41 DavidDreezer | well, we rebuild the nfsroot often |
| 23:41 DavidDreezer | but not the fai server itself |
| 23:41 mgoetze | i think it would be cleaner to check an extra file under /etc/fai for the keys. alternatively, one could do what your patch does but only if it's specified on the command line e.g. make-fai-nfsroot --add-host-apt-keys |
| 23:42 DavidDreezer | that would work well, too |
| 23:42 DavidDreezer | i think the second option would be better. |
| 23:49 DavidDreezer | what would you think of adding an $opt a for apt-key and put my little block in an opt check? |
| 23:50 mgoetze | well i prefer the extra file in /etc/fai personally :) |
| 23:51 DavidDreezer | ok, same thing&. add an opt a switch, which would enable a check for the file? or skip the opt and just do [ -f filename |
| 23:52 DavidDreezer | probably just do a check for the existence of the file without adding an opt, I think |
| 23:52 mgoetze | right |
| 23:52 DavidDreezer | ok, i'll rework it and resubmit. & and remember to mention that it's in 4.0 not 3.x |
| 23:52 DavidDreezer | thaks for the review :) |
| 23:53 mgoetze | np :) |
| 23:55 mgoetze | time for sleep, gnight |
| 23:58 DavidDreezer | gnight |
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