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| 09:52 FBI | fai: 3 lange committed revision 6284 to 7 fai: print disk devices and their mapping to device names |
| 10:23 FBI | fai: 3 jblache committed revision 6285 to 7 fai: Backward-compatibility fix for msdos disklabels |
| 10:23 FBI | fai: msdos disklabels must be aligned to cylinder boundary, except |
| 10:23 FBI | fai: for the start position of partitions 1 and 5; otherwise, preserving |
| 10:23 FBI | fai: partitions on systems installed with previous versions of setup-storage |
| 10:23 FBI | fai: breaks. |
| 10:29 FBI | fai: 3 jblache committed revision 6286 to 7 fai: Not too sure why the MBR space reservation got removed, looks |
| 10:29 FBI | fai: like it better stay in; feel free to revert if I'm wrong. |
| 10:29 FBI | fai: 3 mgoetze-guest committed revision 6287 to 7 fai: Add some CentOS-related ignore patterns to savelog.LAST.source |
| 10:38 FBI | fai: 3 mgoetze-guest committed revision 6288 to 7 fai: Initial checkin of CentOS support for simple examples. |
| 10:38 FBI | fai: Note: this currently depends on a device2grub patch which has been |
| 10:38 FBI | fai: proposed on linux-fai-devel but not yet committed to trunk. |
| Action: h01ger thinks its a bit hillarius if the simple examples can install centos but dont work with debian softupdates |
| 10:59 h01ger | (also i wouldnt put centos examples in simple examples but centos examples or advanced examples) |
| Action: oz_ full acks |
| 11:00 mgoetze | i think simple examples should be renamend to default examples or something, they haven't been simple for a while :) |
| 11:01 mgoetze | anyway, where's your patch for softupdate support? :) |
| 11:01 Mrfai | :-) |
| 11:07 Ikarus | mgoetze: and they do make a good starting point for setting up a real world setup |
| 11:08 mgoetze | yup, at work my very real world setup still uses quite a bit of the simple-examples from, uh, fai 3.2.x i think :) |
| 11:10 oz_ | why not just rename it so "examples" |
| 11:10 oz_ | and let the user decide wheter he think it's simple default or advanced |
| 11:10 oz_ | but It would be nice to have config examples which work out-of the box |
| 11:10 Mrfai | because in the future we may have advanced examples |
| 11:11 oz_ | ? :) |
| 11:11 Mrfai | BTW they work out of the box! Maybe not for softupdate, but feel free to submit patches instead of complaining |
| 11:12 h01ger | mgoetze, it has been turned down years ago. |
| 11:14 h01ger | mgoetze, check the d-community project on alioth (for debian-community.org) which uses very simple softupdate "examples". |
| 11:14 h01ger | if those were wanted, i would love to commit them to the project. |
| 11:22 mgoetze | sorry, i'm too stupid to find a repo on alioth, and anyway i don't know how to use cvs :) |
| 12:00 h01ger | its svn |
| 12:00 h01ger | http://svn.debian.org/wsvn/d-community/trunk/fai-config-dir/#_trunk_fai-config-dir_ |
| 12:15 mgoetze | h01ger: well, i don't know what exactly was "turned down", but this can hardly be considered a patch for simple-examples. it doesn't even have any files in disk_config... |
| 12:21 mgoetze | h01ger: and it's anything but clean. i just had a look at a random file ... scripts/JABBERD/10-ejabberd ... and there is no way i would consider that the right quality for an example. "commented out as it only needs to be done once" is not my idea of an ideal softupdate setup... |
| 12:46 h01ger | mgoetze, there is no disk_config if just use d-i installation and then fai softupdates |
| 12:47 h01ger | mgoetze, a very simple softupdate example would be one file in package_config and one script doing something, and voila. |
| 12:47 h01ger | softupdates can be so f$$$ing simple |
| 12:48 h01ger | the d-community configspace is certainly neither clean nor very simple. |
| 12:48 mgoetze | the point of softupdates for me is that you can reproduce your configuration exactly by just reinstalling with fai |
| 12:50 mgoetze | i don't think we should ship any example which is based on installing your server with d-i... |
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| 13:13 osmo | quick question: |
| 13:13 osmo | would if ! ifclass CLASS be correct? |
| 13:14 mgoetze | well it's not a priori incorrect... |
| 13:14 osmo | what would be the slightly less incorrect way to do it? =) |
| 13:15 mgoetze | what i meant to say is that it's syntactically correct, but i cannot guarantee it does what you want it to do, because i don't know what you want :) |
| 13:16 osmo | if we don't have CLASS do this |
| 13:16 osmo | is what I would like to do |
| 13:16 mgoetze | sounds right |
| 13:17 osmo | kewl, thanks =) |
| 13:17 osmo | btw 'CLASS' was just an example |
| 13:18 mgoetze | h01ger, oz_: as far as i can see the only thing missing is to copy /etc/fai/fai.conf from the nfsroot and add an if statement in DEBIAN/30-interface... would that make you happy? |
| 13:21 h01ger | there is no nfsroot |
| 13:21 h01ger | and i have given up |
| 13:21 h01ger | on this |
| 13:21 h01ger | (there doesnt have to be an nfsroot with softupdates) |
| 13:22 mgoetze | i meant during the installation, because otherwise the first fai softupdate won't find FAI_CONFIG_SRC |
| 13:23 mgoetze | anyway, you obviously want something very different than just "default fai installation can softupdate without errors" |
| 13:23 mgoetze | i don't know what you want, and you apparently don't want to tell me, so i'll stop caring for now |
| 13:23 h01ger | mgoetze, its not neccessary to install with fai |
| 13:24 h01ger | in fact, its often not possible |
| 13:24 mgoetze | i know. but why would you want that scenario in the simple-examples? |
| 13:24 h01ger | and it would be trivial to have softupdate examples which are still useful in this case |
| 13:25 mgoetze | i think you should just write a howto in the wiki explaining how to do whatever you think anyone else might want to do |
| 13:25 h01ger | "softupdate existing systems to deploy config changes only" |
| 13:27 mgoetze | yup, sounds like a nice wiki howto. i personally would not recommend it to anyone but i'm sure someone would be interested... |
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| 13:31 oz_ | mgoetze: why not? |
| 13:31 oz_ | why not recomment softupdates? |
| 13:31 mgoetze | i do recommend softupdates. in combination with installation via fai. |
| 13:32 mgoetze | but if you are not serious enough about this system to install it with fai then you don't need to bother with softupdates either. |
| 13:34 oz_ | okay, that sound consistent :) |
| 13:34 oz_ | +s |
| 13:34 FBI | fai: 3 mgoetze-guest committed revision 6289 to 7 fai: Remove cfengine2 from package_config/FAIBASE also |
| 13:34 h01ger | mgoetze, blblablablabla |
| 13:35 h01ger | your lack of imagination doesnt mean other people are not serious |
| 13:35 mgoetze | it's just my opinion, sorry |
| 13:35 h01ger | but see, this is why i gave up on this. Mrfai also only considers softupdates useful if done on top of fai |
| 13:35 h01ger | its just sad to see fai not reach its potential |
| 13:36 oz_ | oh, yes |
| 13:36 oz_ | [1209217.283993] sdb: unknown partition table |
| 13:36 oz_ | [1209217.292247] sd 3:0:0:0: [sdb] Attached SCSI disk |
| 13:37 oz_ | new disk for fai-mirror |
| 13:37 alekibango_ | what about using configuration management system?? like puppet or chef |
| 13:37 oz_ | alekibango_: yes. |
| 13:37 alekibango_ | i mean, is it worth to implement this in fai when chef and puppet are good? |
| 13:37 mgoetze | alekibango_: like puppet or chef or fai softupdate, you mean? |
| 13:37 mgoetze | alekibango_: are they good? |
| 13:38 alekibango_ | i never used any of them... so i cant compare |
| 13:38 alekibango_ | but puppet is really popular |
| 13:38 alekibango_ | and i need to have one soon |
| 13:38 mgoetze | i don't like ruby. they seem to have a very anti-enterprise attitude |
| 13:38 alekibango_ | hehe |
| 13:38 alekibango_ | +1 |
| 13:39 alekibango_ | i dont like enterprise software too, it belongs to spaceships |
| 13:39 mgoetze | and puppet is all ruby... |
| Action: alekibango_ is in love with python |
| 13:40 alekibango_ | i dont get it, really, why they go writing {} again |
| 13:40 h01ger | alekibango_, fai is a configuration management system or well, it could be. but sadly nobody^wvery few people understand this. instead lots of people say "you must install with fai else you are stupid". so what do people do? use chef+puppet |
| 13:41 alekibango_ | maybe it just needs to get hype on web |
| 13:41 alekibango_ | poeple do not want to learn much (read, experiment with config...) they watn to use well tested system |
| 13:42 alekibango_ | so it must be easy... |
| 13:42 alekibango_ | and working well |
| 13:44 oz_ | h01ger: I'd love something to incorporate running systems into fai automatically |
| 13:47 oz_ | and I think too, that there'll be some easy ways to make FAI less 'annoying' to new users |
| 13:47 oz_ | e.g. the fai logo |
| 13:50 h01ger | *g* |
| 13:50 h01ger | the logo is fine. the colored logo is just crap |
| 13:51 oz_ | yes, the color logo |
| 14:01 oz_ | as a default, the color logo is really shit |
| 14:01 oz_ | really, really :) |
| Action: oz_ wasted some time because of this |
| 14:02 alekibango_ | i had some ideas about fai logo.... |
| 14:02 alekibango_ | but i am not that good artist |
| 14:02 oz_ | alekibango_: we're talking about the color logo on the console |
| 14:02 oz_ | ;) |
| 14:03 alekibango_ | maybe i can share the idea: haivng small boxes (servers) coming out of debian spiral seems to be best for me |
| 14:03 alekibango_ | boxes can have different color |
| 14:03 alekibango_ | (flavours) |
| 14:04 alekibango_ | the other idea was having those boxes 'fabricated' somehow |
| 14:05 alekibango_ | but just coming from spiral is very deep and fitting |
| 14:11 oz_ | alekibango_: this logo is technically not important |
| 14:11 oz_ | the text logo is. it breaks stuff. |
| 14:13 h01ger | the escape sequences in it break stuff |
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| 14:59 mgoetze | Mrfai: is it intentional that task_dirinstall and task_softupdate don't call task tests? |
| 15:01 Mrfai | Mmmm, not sure. |
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