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[09:52] fai: 3 lange committed revision 6284 to 7 fai: print disk devices and their mapping to device names [10:23] fai: 3 jblache committed revision 6285 to 7 fai: Backward-compatibility fix for msdos disklabels [10:23] fai: msdos disklabels must be aligned to cylinder boundary, except [10:23] fai: for the start position of partitions 1 and 5; otherwise, preserving [10:23] fai: partitions on systems installed with previous versions of setup-storage [10:23] fai: breaks. [10:29] fai: 3 jblache committed revision 6286 to 7 fai: Not too sure why the MBR space reservation got removed, looks [10:29] fai: like it better stay in; feel free to revert if I'm wrong. [10:29] fai: 3 mgoetze-guest committed revision 6287 to 7 fai: Add some CentOS-related ignore patterns to savelog.LAST.source [10:38] fai: 3 mgoetze-guest committed revision 6288 to 7 fai: Initial checkin of CentOS support for simple examples. [10:38] fai: Note: this currently depends on a device2grub patch which has been [10:38] fai: proposed on linux-fai-devel but not yet committed to trunk. [10:59] Action: h01ger thinks its a bit hillarius if the simple examples can install centos but dont work with debian softupdates [10:59] (also i wouldnt put centos examples in simple examples but centos examples or advanced examples) [11:00] Action: oz_ full acks [11:00] i think simple examples should be renamend to default examples or something, they haven't been simple for a while :) [11:01] anyway, where's your patch for softupdate support? :) [11:01] :-) [11:07] mgoetze: and they do make a good starting point for setting up a real world setup [11:08] yup, at work my very real world setup still uses quite a bit of the simple-examples from, uh, fai 3.2.x i think :) [11:10] why not just rename it so "examples" [11:10] and let the user decide wheter he think it's simple default or advanced [11:10] but It would be nice to have config examples which work out-of the box [11:10] because in the future we may have advanced examples [11:11] ? :) [11:11] BTW they work out of the box! Maybe not for softupdate, but feel free to submit patches instead of complaining [11:12] mgoetze, it has been turned down years ago. [11:14] mgoetze, check the d-community project on alioth (for debian-community.org) which uses very simple softupdate "examples". [11:14] if those were wanted, i would love to commit them to the project. [11:22] sorry, i'm too stupid to find a repo on alioth, and anyway i don't know how to use cvs :) [12:00] its svn [12:00] http://svn.debian.org/wsvn/d-community/trunk/fai-config-dir/#_trunk_fai-config-dir_ [12:15] h01ger: well, i don't know what exactly was "turned down", but this can hardly be considered a patch for simple-examples. it doesn't even have any files in disk_config... [12:21] h01ger: and it's anything but clean. i just had a look at a random file ... scripts/JABBERD/10-ejabberd ... and there is no way i would consider that the right quality for an example. "commented out as it only needs to be done once" is not my idea of an ideal softupdate setup... [12:46] mgoetze, there is no disk_config if just use d-i installation and then fai softupdates [12:47] mgoetze, a very simple softupdate example would be one file in package_config and one script doing something, and voila. [12:47] softupdates can be so f$$$ing simple [12:48] the d-community configspace is certainly neither clean nor very simple. [12:48] the point of softupdates for me is that you can reproduce your configuration exactly by just reinstalling with fai [12:50] i don't think we should ship any example which is based on installing your server with d-i... [13:07] al (d@niel.cx) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [13:13] quick question: [13:13] would if ! ifclass CLASS be correct? [13:14] well it's not a priori incorrect... [13:14] what would be the slightly less incorrect way to do it? =) [13:15] what i meant to say is that it's syntactically correct, but i cannot guarantee it does what you want it to do, because i don't know what you want :) [13:16] if we don't have CLASS do this [13:16] is what I would like to do [13:16] sounds right [13:17] kewl, thanks =) [13:17] btw 'CLASS' was just an example [13:18] h01ger, oz_: as far as i can see the only thing missing is to copy /etc/fai/fai.conf from the nfsroot and add an if statement in DEBIAN/30-interface... would that make you happy? [13:21] there is no nfsroot [13:21] and i have given up [13:21] on this [13:21] (there doesnt have to be an nfsroot with softupdates) [13:22] i meant during the installation, because otherwise the first fai softupdate won't find FAI_CONFIG_SRC [13:23] anyway, you obviously want something very different than just "default fai installation can softupdate without errors" [13:23] i don't know what you want, and you apparently don't want to tell me, so i'll stop caring for now [13:23] mgoetze, its not neccessary to install with fai [13:24] in fact, its often not possible [13:24] i know. but why would you want that scenario in the simple-examples? [13:24] and it would be trivial to have softupdate examples which are still useful in this case [13:25] i think you should just write a howto in the wiki explaining how to do whatever you think anyone else might want to do [13:25] "softupdate existing systems to deploy config changes only" [13:27] yup, sounds like a nice wiki howto. i personally would not recommend it to anyone but i'm sure someone would be interested... [13:27] al (d@niel.cx) joined #fai. [13:31] mgoetze: why not? [13:31] why not recomment softupdates? [13:31] i do recommend softupdates. in combination with installation via fai. [13:32] but if you are not serious enough about this system to install it with fai then you don't need to bother with softupdates either. [13:34] okay, that sound consistent :) [13:34] +s [13:34] fai: 3 mgoetze-guest committed revision 6289 to 7 fai: Remove cfengine2 from package_config/FAIBASE also [13:34] mgoetze, blblablablabla [13:35] your lack of imagination doesnt mean other people are not serious [13:35] it's just my opinion, sorry [13:35] but see, this is why i gave up on this. Mrfai also only considers softupdates useful if done on top of fai [13:35] its just sad to see fai not reach its potential [13:36] oh, yes [13:36] [1209217.283993] sdb: unknown partition table [13:36] [1209217.292247] sd 3:0:0:0: [sdb] Attached SCSI disk [13:37] new disk for fai-mirror [13:37] what about using configuration management system?? like puppet or chef [13:37] alekibango_: yes. [13:37] i mean, is it worth to implement this in fai when chef and puppet are good? [13:37] alekibango_: like puppet or chef or fai softupdate, you mean? [13:37] alekibango_: are they good? [13:38] i never used any of them... so i cant compare [13:38] but puppet is really popular [13:38] and i need to have one soon [13:38] i don't like ruby. they seem to have a very anti-enterprise attitude [13:38] hehe [13:38] +1 [13:39] i dont like enterprise software too, it belongs to spaceships [13:39] and puppet is all ruby... [13:39] Action: alekibango_ is in love with python [13:40] i dont get it, really, why they go writing {} again [13:40] alekibango_, fai is a configuration management system or well, it could be. but sadly nobody^wvery few people understand this. instead lots of people say "you must install with fai else you are stupid". so what do people do? use chef+puppet [13:41] maybe it just needs to get hype on web [13:41] poeple do not want to learn much (read, experiment with config...) they watn to use well tested system [13:42] so it must be easy... [13:42] and working well [13:44] h01ger: I'd love something to incorporate running systems into fai automatically [13:47] and I think too, that there'll be some easy ways to make FAI less 'annoying' to new users [13:47] e.g. the fai logo [13:50] *g* [13:50] the logo is fine. the colored logo is just crap [13:51] yes, the color logo [14:01] as a default, the color logo is really shit [14:01] really, really :) [14:01] Action: oz_ wasted some time because of this [14:02] i had some ideas about fai logo.... [14:02] but i am not that good artist [14:02] alekibango_: we're talking about the color logo on the console [14:02] ;) [14:03] maybe i can share the idea: haivng small boxes (servers) coming out of debian spiral seems to be best for me [14:03] boxes can have different color [14:03] (flavours) [14:04] the other idea was having those boxes 'fabricated' somehow [14:05] but just coming from spiral is very deep and fitting [14:11] alekibango_: this logo is technically not important [14:11] the text logo is. it breaks stuff. [14:13] the escape sequences in it break stuff [14:29] siggg (~jean@tra78-3-82-244-85-196.fbx.proxad.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 480 seconds [14:59] Mrfai: is it intentional that task_dirinstall and task_softupdate don't call task tests? [15:01] Mmmm, not sure. 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