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| 08:30 oz_ | hm. the default partitioning is somehow horrible. |
| 08:31 oz_ | extended partitions are a PC-Hardware sickness and should imho no be used. |
| 08:31 oz_ | for testing and new users, I'd recommend to provide a single partition install example. |
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| 10:48 mikap | oz_: huh?! who cares about primary/extendend partitions?! |
| 10:52 justleen | I dont! :) |
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| 11:26 vineeth | hi guys... |
| 11:27 vineeth | finally i got one base ubuntu client installed using FAI..:) |
| 11:27 vineeth | thank u all.. and i'm moving ahead with it... |
| 11:28 vineeth | could anybody tell me, how can we setup encrypted root filesystem for a client? |
| Action: alekibango wants to learn this too |
| 11:31 vineeth | just want to know if it is possible.... |
| 11:32 alekibango | vineeth: everything is possible |
| 11:33 vineeth | nice to hear that... i will try for that.. is it in the documentation in fai-site.. |
| 11:33 alekibango | vineeth: given enough time and energy, you can move universe |
| 11:34 vineeth | i just came directly to masters for an opinion.. could u refer any document or link? |
| 11:34 alekibango | no :) sorry |
| 11:34 vineeth | yaa.. TIME!!!! |
| 11:34 vineeth | have u ever tried that? |
| 11:35 alekibango | vineeth: i am relatively new to fai and i never did, thats why i wrote i would like to learn this too |
| 11:35 alekibango | but everything is possible - is really true |
| 11:35 vineeth | ok ok.. but i should say ur tips helped me a lot.. |
| 11:35 alekibango | you can write your own hooks for this |
| 11:35 vineeth | thanks |
| 11:36 vineeth | ok.. |
| 11:36 alekibango | which will format the drive for you and mount ti |
| 11:36 alekibango | using network server for storing passwords |
| 11:36 alekibango | so it will not ask |
| 11:36 alekibango | but i cant tell more |
| 11:36 vineeth | ok ok.. thanks for the idea.. |
| 11:36 alekibango | as i only once had encrypted root |
| 11:36 alekibango | and it was slow as hell |
| 11:37 alekibango | vineeth: there is software for this |
| 11:37 alekibango | only thing needed it to put it all together |
| 11:37 alekibango | <30 lines of bash should do |
| 11:37 vineeth | i'm using an encrypted root in my ubuntu laptop now.. |
| 11:37 alekibango | but those will be tough to write |
| 11:37 vineeth | it works ok.. |
| 11:37 alekibango | at least for me |
| 11:37 alekibango | as i have little experience with that |
| 11:38 alekibango | (encrypted systems) |
| 11:38 vineeth | i just encryped using the gui installer.. hehe.. |
| 11:38 alekibango | yes thats what i did :) |
| 11:39 vineeth | btw.. we really need to make it possible... as we are providing ubuntu laptops for all our users... |
| 11:39 vineeth | and as it's company stuff.. it must be encrypted.. |
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| 11:39 Mrfai | Please read this concerning crypted file systems: |
| 11:39 Mrfai | http://justimho.blogspot.com/2010/09/fai-my-notebook-and-me.html |
| 11:40 vineeth | i've gone through that may be just 20 mins before..:) |
| 11:41 vineeth | he says it's not possible directly.. isn't it? |
| 11:50 vineeth | we will try to search for a solution... i will also come back. if i get something... |
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| 12:12 oz_ | mikap: I don't care about that, too |
| 12:12 oz_ | just it's in the FAI default |
| 12:13 mikap | oz_: what's wrong with FAI's default? (you mean simple examples?) |
| 12:14 oz_ | yea, I got ii fai-server 3.4.4 |
| 12:15 oz_ | and default layout is 1 praimary and 5 locial partitions |
| 12:15 oz_ | logical partitions, even |
| 12:16 oz_ | my question is: why not a really simple example 2 Partitions on / and 1 swap |
| 12:16 oz_ | by that, you will not stumble over /var getting full and such |
| 12:18 oz_ | that's the FAIBASE example |
| 12:25 mikap | well it's just simple example ;) what annoys me more is that on a 1,5TB system the >1TB filesystem for home takes ages to create with ext3 |
| 12:25 oz_ | mikap: that example is not simple |
| 12:26 oz_ | it's just often not working, when you test it on small drives |
| 12:26 mikap | hm good point |
| 12:26 oz_ | and it would be easy to change it. |
| 12:26 oz_ | I don't want to discuss partitioning issues, that can become religious :) |
| 12:27 mikap | Mrfai: valid point by oz_ for the FAIBASE simple example disk_config, doesn't work very well for small drives and for large drives it doesn't work well either (how about choosing xfs instead for /home?) |
| 12:27 oz_ | mikap: why /home at all? |
| 12:27 oz_ | 8-) |
| 12:27 oz_ | and swap, thats simple. really simple. |
| 12:28 mikap | you always want swap and /home to be present (and not related to rootfs) |
| 12:29 oz_ | mikap: no. |
| 12:29 oz_ | for testing, why a /home? |
| 12:29 oz_ | for a webserver, why a /home? |
| 12:29 oz_ | for a mailserver, why a /home? |
| 12:29 oz_ | just / and swap, that's simple. |
| 12:30 mikap | you never want *data* (coding, maildir, web,....) to be associated with the os system itself |
| 12:30 oz_ | mikap: would you pack mailserverdata on a /home partition? |
| 12:30 oz_ | 13:26 < oz_> I don't want to discuss partitioning issues... :) |
| 12:31 mikap | oz_: "depends" |
| 12:32 oz_ | however, for fai testing just 2 partition do it. |
| 12:32 oz_ | I always change that when I start \w a vanilla FAI. |
| Action: oz_ just starts FAIing again |
| 13:01 alekibango | fully automated fail :) |
| 13:36 justleen | for me, having more partitions in the example disk conf was useful |
| 13:36 justleen | i dont think that, for an example, you want just swap and / |
| 13:36 justleen | my 2 cents.. |
| 13:36 oz_ | justleen: not for a working system. no. |
| 13:36 oz_ | but it should be a _simple_ example. |
| 13:37 justleen | but for whom would that be? |
| 13:37 oz_ | I think you find plenty examples in the mail archive, too. |
| 13:37 alekibango | oz_: there are people who do not enter the mail archive if not directed by google or some link |
| 13:37 justleen | isnt this a a simple example then? |
| 13:37 alekibango | more examples = better, dont be shy |
| 13:38 alekibango | rather make simple one and simple one and 3 complex ones |
| 13:38 justleen | are there people who install fai, and run it of the bat without reading the man? |
| 13:38 alekibango | it is worth 1000 words in syntax description |
| 13:38 justleen | agree with alek, why not add a new _simple_ one ? |
| 13:38 alekibango | justleen: yes there are such people :) |
| 13:39 justleen | yea, most likely there are those ppl ... :) |
| 13:39 alekibango | but they fai-L |
| 13:39 alekibango | :) |
| 13:39 justleen | I think, that people who use fai, are well capable of understanding the disk layout file? |
| 13:40 justleen | probably the most straight forward bit of FAI :) |
| 13:40 justleen | I mean, isnt not like some users thinks "lets try ubuntu, and start out with a pxe boot install!" |
| 13:40 alekibango | justleen: i failed at this one |
| 13:41 alekibango | mt helped me to find error in my simple disk setup and it will be in next man page |
| 13:41 justleen | alekibango: would a simple config file have helped in that case? |
| 13:42 alekibango | yes, i could not find simple raid example |
| 13:42 alekibango | i was justtrying to use / and swap at first round |
| 13:42 alekibango | but i failed |
| 13:42 justleen | ok, point taken... |
| 13:42 alekibango | as i copied some keyword from wrong example (virtual) |
| 13:42 justleen | ill rest my case :) |
| 13:43 alekibango | justleen: you should know, people are stupid and sometimes creative |
| 13:43 alekibango | expecially in creating issues by wrong choices |
| 13:44 oz_ | basically nothing wrong with the current FAIBASE |
| 13:44 alekibango | when they fail to understand the bigger picture, or the devil in detail :) |
| 13:44 oz_ | just not as simple as possible |
| 13:44 justleen | yea, true that. but no matter how monkey proof you make things, some one will invent a more stupid monkey |
| 13:45 alekibango | now, many people are on meds without knowing it... for example fluoridated water... |
| 13:45 alekibango | we are pretty dumbed down |
| 13:54 justleen | fluor is hardly a med? |
| 13:55 alekibango | justleen: have you seen prozac? |
| 13:55 alekibango | :) |
| 13:55 justleen | the movie? ;) |
| 13:55 alekibango | http://www.fluoridealert.org/50-reasons.htm |
| 13:56 alekibango | justleen: for first time it was used massively in camps in times of stalin and hitler |
| 13:56 alekibango | because it makes you docile, inactive, impotent |
| 13:56 alekibango | and also host of other bad things |
| 13:56 alekibango | ... as it is rat poison |
| 13:57 alekibango | still many countries add it to water, even if it will not improve health one bit |
| 13:57 alekibango | and they also include radioactive stuff along |
| 13:57 justleen | and yet my teeth are less sensitive when using a fluoridized paste? |
| 13:58 alekibango | also your brain changes |
| 13:58 alekibango | and your bones |
| 13:58 justleen | ah, I see we dont even have it in the water anymore |
| 13:58 oz_ | gents, you are getting off-topic :) |
| 13:58 justleen | FAI Fluor Added Intel? |
| 13:58 alekibango | oz_: not really, we are debating why people are so dumb - why we need examples |
| 13:58 justleen | how is that off topic? |
| 13:58 justleen | ;p |
| 13:59 alekibango | they also do education in a way to dumb people down |
| 13:59 alekibango | i sometimes feel pretty retarded, even if i have iq ~ 150-160 |
| 13:59 oz_ | it is. and please stay polite ;) |
| 13:59 alekibango | oz_: i hope i am |
| 14:00 alekibango | helping you to drink rat poison is a crime in most legal systems :) |
| 14:00 alekibango | not telling you its poison might be crime too -- when i know waht you drink... |
| 14:03 justleen | last off topic remark then. There is quite some difference between the different chemical compounds. The fact that some fluoride salt are used in rat poison does not mean they're adding rat poison to the drinking water... |
| 14:03 justleen | next thing you know is that your believing in chem trails.. |
| 14:04 alekibango | justleen: next thing you now is that you believe obama loves you :) |
| 14:04 alekibango | :) |
| 14:04 alekibango | ok, /end |
| 14:04 alekibango | but read some before coming to conclusion |
| 14:04 justleen | if you'd do the same? |
| 14:04 justleen | :) |
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| 14:59 \sh | justleen: use the g7 with the flex 10 nic modules ;) |
| 15:01 justleen | argh! just get a new dl360 g7.. thats boot just fine, without a glitch! |
| 15:01 justleen | what is so frekkin' special about the bl460 series? |
| 15:01 justleen | both use the bnx2x |
| 15:02 justleen | one boots the other kernel panics/hangs |
| Action: justleen shakes head... why didn't I become a ranger?? debugging with a gun sounds like fun... |
| 15:02 oz_ | 8-) |
| 15:19 h01ger | *g* |
| 15:32 oz_ | hey h01ger :) |
| 15:32 h01ger | hei oz_ |
| 15:36 \sh | justleen: you are sure that they both use bnx2x? |
| 15:36 \sh | justleen: the last one I had in my fingers used the HP NC511i Driver (be2net / be2scsi) |
| 15:36 \sh | justleen: bl460 g7 that was |
| 15:37 justleen | g5 uses bnx2, g6 uses bnx2x |
| 15:37 justleen | thats what i used to use anyway |
| 15:38 justleen | and this dl360 g7 seems to use it to (ill have to check, this is based on the kernel messages that came by :) ) |
| 15:38 \sh | justleen: the rackmounts are different...the newer blade server series are using this flex 10 crap |
| 15:39 justleen | even crappier then the bnx2x? |
| 15:39 \sh | justleen: more compatible with flex 10 hp switches |
| 15:40 \sh | NIC + SCSI in one module |
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| 15:42 \sh | justleen: eventually you are also hit by this bug: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/681819 |
| 15:43 \sh | (and it is not ubuntu specific ;)) |
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