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| 06:05 \sh | moinjs |
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| 07:17 oz_ | moin ook |
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| 07:35 mikap | \sh: moins |
| 07:36 \sh | hey mikap |
| 07:36 mikap | \sh: do you have a debian test machine build setup of fai? |
| 07:37 mikap | speaking of https://lists.uni-koeln.de/pipermail/linux-fai-devel/2010q4/000932.html - the hostname issue |
| 07:37 \sh | mikap: nope...only lucid |
| 07:37 \sh | and I don't rely on the hostname= kernel param |
| 07:38 mikap | \sh: hm damn :) i'm lacking a test setup but can't release without testing that issue :-/ |
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| 07:47 \sh | looks like that we need to find some sponsors for having out of band test setups for fai ;) |
| 07:48 mikap | yeah ;) |
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| 10:24 \sh | mikap: where should we ask? ibm, hp, dell, supermicro? ;) |
| 10:26 mikap | \sh: everything but dell ;) |
| 10:27 oz_ | why not dell? |
| 10:27 oz_ | <de>troe-dell?</de> ;) |
| 10:27 \sh | dell is evil..;) |
| 10:27 oz_ | *scream* yes? |
| 10:30 \sh | all people I know who are running dell exchanging them at some time to HP or IBM |
| 10:30 \sh | s/are/were/ |
| 10:34 oz_ | I can understand this. |
| 10:34 oz_ | I have them here, too |
| 10:34 oz_ | and I think I quit soon, too. |
| 10:35 oz_ | it's just <de>trö-dell</de> |
| 10:35 oz_ | but one could ask them anyway. |
| 11:00 mgoetze | if you have problems with dell you are probably just not a large enough customer ;) |
| 11:02 oz_ | c'mon, that an old joke. :) |
| 11:02 oz_ | let's state it straight and clear: Dell is shit. |
| 11:03 oz_ | just the distribution and mgmt is 'better' than average. |
| 11:03 oz_ | and probably the company revenue, but that'S way offtopic here. : |
| 11:03 oz_ | ) |
| 11:04 mgoetze | well we have several thousand dell servers and i can live with them well enough... |
| 11:04 mgoetze | they are not perfect of course but price is important too ;) |
| 11:05 oz_ | mgoetze: for you as engineer? |
| 11:05 mgoetze | well the cheaper they are the easier it is to convince management to buy more of them... |
| 11:06 oz_ | why more machines? ;) |
| 11:06 oz_ | that's just more work for you |
| 11:07 oz_ | anyways, I know the problem of budget limits. :] |
| 11:07 oz_ | but I rarely have seen more lousy servers then the dell ones |
| 11:29 \sh | mgoetze: dell is just not a datacenter server manufacturer...they want to be...but I know many of their customers (rackmounts and blades) who are not that satisfied with their support and reliability..:( |
| 12:15 oz_ | imho they are good for Laptops and desktop, nada more... |
| Action: justleen runs his fai server on a dell box.. |
| 12:17 justleen | that must be really bad then? |
| 12:18 oz_ | no... |
| 12:18 oz_ | that just a bleeding edge discussion ;) |
| 12:20 mgoetze | well i don't know what you guys are doing wrong but we don't have reliability problems with dell servers |
| 12:22 oz_ | mgoetze: compare then to IBM irons. |
| 12:22 justleen | neither have I.. |
| 12:22 justleen | yes, we moved everything to HP, but that was not due to the dells giving problems |
| 12:23 justleen | so i still run a bunch of poweredge's, and they're fine, imho |
| 12:23 justleen | just my two cents |
| 12:25 mgoetze | oz_: i can't, because dell is so cheap (for us) that we are not going to buy significant amounts of anything else anytime soon. nevertheless, we don't have problems |
| 12:25 oz_ | mgoetze: good for you. :) |
| 12:59 \sh | justleen: you don't have heating problems and melting boards? |
| 13:00 justleen | no, none so far |
| 13:01 justleen | I did have one Asus server which got so hot that the solder on the southbridge melted away... |
| 13:01 justleen | but no such issues with the dells |
| 13:33 oz_ | \sh: on the other hand...it was the sun Fire Server which had the CPUs who calculated wrong. ;) |
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| 13:46 \sh | oz_: hehehe...but that's not counting ;) that was sun + java == evil fail for ever ;) |
| 13:49 \sh | oz_: but I saw dells melting in our DC in ffm :) and it wasn't the fault of the DC provider, but the fault of the admins who were cramping 2U dells (2970) into a 47U rack...i mean 15KW cooling density and melting boards...hells bells ;) |
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| 13:53 mgoetze | \sh: well we actually plan our data center, do capacity management, and monitor the heat levels, maybe that's why dell works for us :P |
| 13:53 \sh | mgoetze: those guys were from south corea :) I don't know what they wanted to do :) |
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| 14:32 oz_ | \sh: maybe they though about a special BBQ system...? 8-) |
| 14:33 \sh | oz_: *g* |
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| 16:54 juri_ | FWIW, i teach classes at freegeek arkansas, and i can tell you that i rarely see a truely dead ASUS board. i see many dells with bad caps, horrible proprietary designs, southbridges cooked by bad wire routing, the works. |
| 16:54 juri_ | maybe its regional. |
| 16:55 mgoetze | i suspect you are not talking about rackmount servers |
| 16:55 oz_ | juri_: prolly dependend on the Dell Consulant...? |
| 16:55 oz_ | consultant, even |
| 16:55 mgoetze | oh btw, i'm also very happy with my dell latitude laptop. i'll bet their consumer laptops are much worse, though |
| 16:56 juri_ | mgoetze: for the most part, no. on rackmounts, i can say the IBM boxes arive more beat up, but are more repairable. ;) |
| 16:57 juri_ | for lack of a better way of putting it.. the IBMs are earlier to market == more chips == more failure points. simpler to get back up and running than a bad dell. |
| 16:58 juri_ | of course, i'm working with 100% post-consumer gear. |
| Action: h01ger waves to juri_ - long time no see! |
| 17:05 oz_ | how's extremadure, h01ger |
| 17:05 oz_ | ? :) |
| 17:05 h01ger | oz_, dunno, not been there since >1 year :) |
| Action: h01ger is still in hamburg... |
| 17:07 oz_ | hehe |
| 17:07 oz_ | no news via email? |
| 17:08 h01ger | not much |
| 17:08 h01ger | oz_, how are you? |
| 17:09 oz_ | alright here |
| 17:09 oz_ | had some job confusion, but now I'm running stable |
| 17:11 Favorit | mikap: < mikap> Favorit: huh? what are you deploying? " <--- lenny |
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| 20:24 snark | I'm trying use to use an FAI boot CD and connect to a server without using DHCP. I have ip=clientIP:serverIP:gatewayIP:subnet:eth0:off in grub, but it seems to hang on boot if I don't have a DHCP server. Any ideas? |
| 20:25 h01ger | oz_, glad to hear! :-) |
| 20:26 h01ger | snark, for learning fai, i recommend to setup a test environment just like the manual describes, and then learn+go from there... |
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| 20:28 snark | this whole thing works fine with DHCP, I just don't know how to do it without DHCP... |
| 20:28 snark | but thanks, that's pretty much what I have... |
| 20:28 h01ger | heh |
| 20:28 h01ger | where/how does it hang on boot? |
| 20:29 h01ger | ie whats the errormsg? |
| 20:29 snark | eth0 is up, then nothing... |
| 20:29 snark | it should be trying to mount the nfsroot |
| 20:29 snark | but it's waiting for a DHCP address |
| 20:30 snark | [ 15.021555] bnx2: eth0 NIC Copper Link is Up, 1000 Mbps full duplex ... |
| 20:31 snark | it's not pinable at the assigned IP. |
| 20:31 snark | ping able too |
| 20:31 h01ger | then the kernel cmdline is wrong |
| 20:32 h01ger | in the kernel source there is Documentation/filesystems/nfs/nfsroot.txt |
| 20:32 h01ger | describing the format |
| 20:33 snark | oh, you know what, I skipped hostname. I'll try again... |
| 20:33 h01ger | :) |
| 20:33 snark | :D |
| 20:33 snark | thanks |
| 20:33 h01ger | you're welcome |
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