[02:25] al (d@niel.cx) left irc: Ping timeout: 480 seconds [02:27] al (d@niel.cx) joined #fai. [06:04] \sh (~shermann@nat.de.netviewer.com) joined #fai. [06:05] <\sh> moinjs [06:11] siggg (~jean@tra78-5-88-172-128-32.fbx.proxad.net) joined #fai. [06:11] siggg (~jean@tra78-5-88-172-128-32.fbx.proxad.net) left irc: [06:49] justleen (~leen@rev-131-102.virtu.nl) joined #fai. [07:17] moin ook [07:32] fimblo (~fimblo@kaki.spotify.net) left irc: Quit: leaving [07:34] msc (~msc@gw1.cgn3.hosteurope.de) joined #fai. [07:35] \sh: moins [07:36] <\sh> hey mikap [07:36] \sh: do you have a debian test machine build setup of fai? [07:37] speaking of https://lists.uni-koeln.de/pipermail/linux-fai-devel/2010q4/000932.html - the hostname issue [07:37] <\sh> mikap: nope...only lucid [07:37] <\sh> and I don't rely on the hostname= kernel param [07:38] \sh: hm damn :) i'm lacking a test setup but can't release without testing that issue :-/ [07:41] fimblo (~fimblo@kaki.spotify.net) joined #fai. [07:47] <\sh> looks like that we need to find some sponsors for having out of band test setups for fai ;) [07:48] yeah ;) [08:08] Nic0 (~courtel@fw.tls.cena.fr) joined #fai. [09:43] aptituz (~schoenfel@188.109.191.166) joined #fai. [10:07] mfl (~mfl@adonis.fnb.maschinenbau.tu-darmstadt.de) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [10:07] mfl (~mfl@adonis.fnb.maschinenbau.tu-darmstadt.de) joined #fai. [10:24] <\sh> mikap: where should we ask? ibm, hp, dell, supermicro? ;) [10:26] \sh: everything but dell ;) [10:27] why not dell? [10:27] troe-dell? ;) [10:27] <\sh> dell is evil..;) [10:27] *scream* yes? [10:30] <\sh> all people I know who are running dell exchanging them at some time to HP or IBM [10:30] <\sh> s/are/were/ [10:34] I can understand this. [10:34] I have them here, too [10:34] and I think I quit soon, too. [10:35] it's just trö-dell [10:35] but one could ask them anyway. [11:00] if you have problems with dell you are probably just not a large enough customer ;) [11:02] c'mon, that an old joke. :) [11:02] let's state it straight and clear: Dell is shit. [11:03] just the distribution and mgmt is 'better' than average. [11:03] and probably the company revenue, but that'S way offtopic here. : [11:03] ) [11:04] well we have several thousand dell servers and i can live with them well enough... [11:04] they are not perfect of course but price is important too ;) [11:05] mgoetze: for you as engineer? [11:05] well the cheaper they are the easier it is to convince management to buy more of them... [11:06] why more machines? ;) [11:06] that's just more work for you [11:07] anyways, I know the problem of budget limits. :] [11:07] but I rarely have seen more lousy servers then the dell ones [11:29] <\sh> mgoetze: dell is just not a datacenter server manufacturer...they want to be...but I know many of their customers (rackmounts and blades) who are not that satisfied with their support and reliability..:( [12:15] imho they are good for Laptops and desktop, nada more... [12:16] Action: justleen runs his fai server on a dell box.. [12:17] that must be really bad then? [12:18] no... [12:18] that just a bleeding edge discussion ;) [12:20] well i don't know what you guys are doing wrong but we don't have reliability problems with dell servers [12:22] mgoetze: compare then to IBM irons. [12:22] neither have I.. [12:22] yes, we moved everything to HP, but that was not due to the dells giving problems [12:23] so i still run a bunch of poweredge's, and they're fine, imho [12:23] just my two cents [12:25] oz_: i can't, because dell is so cheap (for us) that we are not going to buy significant amounts of anything else anytime soon. nevertheless, we don't have problems [12:25] mgoetze: good for you. :) [12:59] <\sh> justleen: you don't have heating problems and melting boards? [13:00] no, none so far [13:01] I did have one Asus server which got so hot that the solder on the southbridge melted away... [13:01] but no such issues with the dells [13:33] \sh: on the other hand...it was the sun Fire Server which had the CPUs who calculated wrong. ;) [13:46] obi_wan (c03690e5@ircip1.mibbit.com) joined #fai. [13:46] <\sh> oz_: hehehe...but that's not counting ;) that was sun + java == evil fail for ever ;) [13:49] <\sh> oz_: but I saw dells melting in our DC in ffm :) and it wasn't the fault of the DC provider, but the fault of the admins who were cramping 2U dells (2970) into a 47U rack...i mean 15KW cooling density and melting boards...hells bells ;) [13:49] obi_wan (c03690e5@ircip1.mibbit.com) left irc: [13:53] \sh: well we actually plan our data center, do capacity management, and monitor the heat levels, maybe that's why dell works for us :P [13:53] <\sh> mgoetze: those guys were from south corea :) I don't know what they wanted to do :) [14:04] ErKa (~keryell@APuteaux-154-1-40-135.w83-199.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined #fai. [14:32] \sh: maybe they though about a special BBQ system...? 8-) [14:33] <\sh> oz_: *g* [14:54] ErKa (~keryell@APuteaux-154-1-40-135.w83-199.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: Ping timeout: 480 seconds [14:55] ErKa (~keryell@APuteaux-154-1-91-213.w83-204.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined #fai. [15:09] Raphux (raphux@dedibox1.raphux.com) joined #fai. [15:22] msc (~msc@gw1.cgn3.hosteurope.de) left irc: Quit: msc [15:23] justleen (~leen@rev-131-102.virtu.nl) left irc: Quit: Leaving. [16:54] FWIW, i teach classes at freegeek arkansas, and i can tell you that i rarely see a truely dead ASUS board. i see many dells with bad caps, horrible proprietary designs, southbridges cooked by bad wire routing, the works. [16:54] maybe its regional. [16:55] i suspect you are not talking about rackmount servers [16:55] juri_: prolly dependend on the Dell Consulant...? [16:55] consultant, even [16:55] oh btw, i'm also very happy with my dell latitude laptop. i'll bet their consumer laptops are much worse, though [16:56] mgoetze: for the most part, no. on rackmounts, i can say the IBM boxes arive more beat up, but are more repairable. ;) [16:57] for lack of a better way of putting it.. the IBMs are earlier to market == more chips == more failure points. simpler to get back up and running than a bad dell. [16:58] of course, i'm working with 100% post-consumer gear. [17:03] Action: h01ger waves to juri_ - long time no see! [17:05] how's extremadure, h01ger [17:05] ? :) [17:05] oz_, dunno, not been there since >1 year :) [17:05] Action: h01ger is still in hamburg... [17:07] hehe [17:07] no news via email? [17:08] not much [17:08] oz_, how are you? [17:09] alright here [17:09] had some job confusion, but now I'm running stable [17:11] mikap: < mikap> Favorit: huh? what are you deploying? " <--- lenny [18:06] siggg (~jean@tra78-5-88-172-128-32.fbx.proxad.net) joined #fai. [19:02] BlindBunny (~BlindBunn@power.informatik.RWTH-Aachen.DE) left irc: Ping timeout: 480 seconds [19:57] ErKa (~keryell@APuteaux-154-1-91-213.w83-204.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: Ping timeout: 480 seconds [20:08] ErKa (~keryell@APuteaux-154-1-91-213.w83-204.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined #fai. [20:24] I'm trying use to use an FAI boot CD and connect to a server without using DHCP. I have ip=clientIP:serverIP:gatewayIP:subnet:eth0:off in grub, but it seems to hang on boot if I don't have a DHCP server. Any ideas? [20:25] oz_, glad to hear! :-) [20:26] snark, for learning fai, i recommend to setup a test environment just like the manual describes, and then learn+go from there... [20:27] ErKa (~keryell@APuteaux-154-1-91-213.w83-204.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: Ping timeout: 480 seconds [20:28] this whole thing works fine with DHCP, I just don't know how to do it without DHCP... [20:28] but thanks, that's pretty much what I have... [20:28] heh [20:28] where/how does it hang on boot? [20:29] ie whats the errormsg? [20:29] eth0 is up, then nothing... [20:29] it should be trying to mount the nfsroot [20:29] but it's waiting for a DHCP address [20:30] [ 15.021555] bnx2: eth0 NIC Copper Link is Up, 1000 Mbps full duplex ... [20:31] it's not pinable at the assigned IP. [20:31] ping able too [20:31] then the kernel cmdline is wrong [20:32] in the kernel source there is Documentation/filesystems/nfs/nfsroot.txt [20:32] describing the format [20:33] oh, you know what, I skipped hostname. I'll try again... [20:33] :) [20:33] :D [20:33] thanks [20:33] you're welcome [21:02] siggg (~jean@tra78-5-88-172-128-32.fbx.proxad.net) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [21:38] snark (~mpetersen@38.98.137.29) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [21:39] snark (~mpetersen@38.98.137.29) joined #fai. [00:00] --- Tue Oct 12 2010