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10:35 alekibangotokkee: people cant event agree on when Jesus was born.... and we have callendar based on that...  bugs are everywhere...
10:35 alekibangos/event/even/
10:35 alekibangoheh
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Topic changed on #fai by tokkee!tokkee@osprey.tokkee.org: FAI 3.4 -> http://people.debian.org/~mika/fai/release/ || The FAI project celebrates its 10(+x)th anniversary. Read the story in German http://www.informatik.uni-koeln.de/fai/otherdocs/10jahre.html
10:40 tokkeeFixed ;-)
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10:53 mikap\sh: ha got you :) *debdiff_reminder*
11:02 \shmikap: yes...:)
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11:26 \shmikap: it's source package live-boot right? (from unstable)
11:47 \shmikap: want debian to go with live-boot 2.0~a16-1 or will live-boot 2.0 from sid be moved at some time?
11:50 oz__\sh: /me will start to setup fai for 10.4, any recent hints?
11:50 \shoz__: take the packages from the ppa and just start
11:51 \shyou need eventually adjust the sources.list inside the /etc/fai for NFSROOT
Action: oz__ wants to install ubuntu from vanilla-debian-FAI
12:03 \shoh
12:04 oz__<- hurt me plenty
12:06 \shok...just create a ubuntu 10.04 chroot first, then tar.gz it :)
12:07 oz__\sh: I try to be a brave man and write everything down
12:08 oz__but I'll be slow, I also do winXP and Win7 deployment... :-(
12:08 oz__.o0(which sucks big time)
Action: \sh is totally under stress with new product integration of company...my whole time schedule for bringing up a working lucid config -> gone with the fcking manager^Wwind
12:13 oz__:-(
12:13 oz__idiots^h^h^h^h^hmanagers can eat up all technicians time
12:16 mgoetzeoz__: lenny nfsroot to install lucid works great for me, if you have any questions just ask
12:18 oz__mgoetze: thx, el neato
12:50 \shmikap: the debdiff will be viewing in no time at http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=593284
12:51 FBIfai: 3 mika committed revision 5964 to 7 fai:  year++
12:51 FBIfai: Signed-off-by: Michael Prokop <mika@grml.org>
12:51 FBIfai: 3 mika committed revision 5963 to 7 fai:  make-fai-nfsroot: fix typo
12:52 FBIfai: Signed-off-by: Michael Prokop <mika@grml.org>
12:52 FBIfai: 3 mika committed revision 5965 to 7 fai:  add comment
12:52 FBIfai: Signed-off-by: Michael Prokop <mika@grml.org>
12:52 FBIfai: 3 mika committed revision 5966 to 7 fai:  mkramdisk: use exit in main routine (closes: #583289)
12:52 FBIfai: Signed-off-by: Michael Prokop <mika@grml.org>
12:52 FBIfai: 3 mika committed revision 5967 to 7 fai:  ainsl: exit with 0 if line already exists in the file
12:52 FBIfai: Signed-off-by: Michael Prokop <mika@grml.org>
12:52 FBIfai: 3 mika committed revision 5968 to 7 fai:  sources.list: fix security.geo.debian.org domain entries
12:52 FBIfai: Signed-off-by: Michael Prokop <mika@grml.org>
12:52 FBIfai: 3 mika committed revision 5969 to 7 fai:  fix typo
12:52 FBIfai: Signed-off-by: Michael Prokop <mika@grml.org>
12:52 FBIfai: 3 mika committed revision 5970 to 7 fai:  added changelog entry for install_packages typo fix
12:52 FBIfai: Signed-off-by: Michael Prokop <mika@grml.org>
12:52 FBIfai: 3 mika committed revision 5971 to 7 fai:  make-fai-nfsroot, make-fai-nfsroot.8: add option -B, (closes: #576092) (thanks to Mika Prokop for the patch)
12:52 FBIfai: Conflicts:
12:52 FBIfai: debian/changelog
12:52 mikaphuh, this will be a long list of commits, just pushing my 3.4 branch ;)
12:52 FBIfai: 3 mika committed revision 5972 to 7 fai:  disk-info: rename subroutine
12:52 FBIfai: Signed-off-by: Michael Prokop <mika@grml.org>
12:53 FBIfai: 3 mika committed revision 5973 to 7 fai:  move setup-storage into a separate package (fai-setup-storage)
12:53 FBIfai: Signed-off-by: Michael Prokop <mika@grml.org>
12:53 FBIfai: 3 mika committed revision 5974 to 7 fai:  changelog entry
12:53 FBIfai: Conflicts:
12:53 FBIfai: debian/changelog
12:53 mikap\sh: thx
12:53 FBIfai: 3 mika committed revision 5975 to 7 fai:  remove leading space
12:53 FBIfai: Signed-off-by: Michael Prokop <mika@grml.org>
12:53 FBIfai: 3 mika committed revision 5976 to 7 fai:  remove unneeded else
12:53 FBIfai: Conflicts:
12:53 FBIfai: debian/changelog
12:53 FBIfai: 3 mika committed revision 5977 to 7 fai:  dhcp-edit: new command that adds or removes entries to/from dhcpd.conf
12:53 FBIfai: Signed-off-by: Michael Prokop <mika@grml.org>
12:53 FBIfai: 3 mika committed revision 5978 to 7 fai:  control: change dependencies on fai-setup-storage
12:53 FBIfai: Signed-off-by: Michael Prokop <mika@grml.org>
12:53 FBIfai: 3 mika committed revision 5979 to 7 fai:  fai-chboot,fai-chboot.8: add option -P
12:53 FBIfai: Signed-off-by: Michael Prokop <mika@grml.org>
12:53 FBIfai: 3 mika committed revision 5980 to 7 fai:  setup-storage.8: add info about flag_initial
12:54 FBIfai: Signed-off-by: Michael Prokop <mika@grml.org>
12:54 FBIfai: 3 mika committed revision 5981 to 7 fai:  subroutines, fai: make sure fai exits with the according return code of task action (and all the hooks behind it)
12:54 FBIfai: Signed-off-by: Michael Prokop <mika@grml.org>
12:54 FBIfai: 3 mika committed revision 5982 to 7 fai:  subroutines: add support for task_error to task configure
12:54 FBIfai: Signed-off-by: Michael Prokop <mika@grml.org>
12:54 FBIfai: 3 mika committed revision 5983 to 7 fai:  doc/error-levels: describe error levels of task_error subroutine
12:54 FBIfai: Signed-off-by: Michael Prokop <mika@grml.org>
12:54 FBIfai: 3 mika committed revision 5984 to 7 fai:  subroutines: use task_error level 420 instead of 855 as discussed with Thomas
12:54 FBIfai: Signed-off-by: Michael Prokop <mika@grml.org>
12:54 FBIfai: 3 mika committed revision 5985 to 7 fai:  make-fai-nfsroot: remove etc/hostname and 70-persistent-net.rules from nfsroot and base.tgz (thanks to Manuel Hachtkemper for the patch)
12:54 FBIfai: Signed-off-by: Michael Prokop <mika@grml.org>
12:54 FBIfai: 3 mika committed revision 5986 to 7 fai:  subroutines: do not dump bash array variables
12:54 FBIfai: Signed-off-by: Michael Prokop <mika@grml.org>
12:54 FBIfai: 3 mika committed revision 5987 to 7 fai:  install_packages: support retrieving sources for Debian based systems using the -s option
12:54 FBIfai: Signed-off-by: Michael Prokop <mika@grml.org>
12:54 FBIfai: 3 mika committed revision 5988 to 7 fai:  install_packages.8: fix wording of description of -N option
12:54 FBIfai: Signed-off-by: Michael Prokop <mika@grml.org>
12:54 FBIfai: 3 mika committed revision 5989 to 7 fai:  add different implementation for dumping variables, thanks to Andreas Schuldei
12:54 FBIfai: Signed-off-by: Michael Prokop <mika@grml.org>
12:54 FBIfai: 3 mika committed revision 5990 to 7 fai:  subroutines, fai: display date of execution (fai_rundate) on startup
12:54 FBIfai: Signed-off-by: Michael Prokop <mika@grml.org>
12:54 FBIfai: 3 mika committed revision 5991 to 7 fai:  Adjust debian/changelog according to latest changes
12:54 FBIfai: Acked by Thomas
12:54 FBIfai: Signed-off-by: Michael Prokop <mika@grml.org>
12:54 FBIfai: 3 mika committed revision 5992 to 7 fai:  add $modified, add more messages, fix code for adding a host
12:54 FBIfai: Conflicts:
12:54 FBIfai: debian/changelog
12:55 FBIfai: 3 mika committed revision 5993 to 7 fai:  make-fai-nfsroot: fix typo, remove redundant rm command
12:55 FBIfai: Signed-off-by: Michael Prokop <mika@grml.org>
12:55 FBIfai: 3 mika committed revision 5994 to 7 fai:  put ROOTPW into quotes, so empty password will work (thanks to Adrien Cunin for the patch)
12:55 FBIfai: Signed-off-by: Michael Prokop <mika@grml.org>
12:55 FBIfai: 3 mika committed revision 5995 to 7 fai:  10-misc, subroutines: move adding /etc/hosts entry from task_prepareapt to config space script, add only if host does not belong to class DHCPC
12:55 FBIfai: Conflicts:
12:55 FBIfai: debian/changelog
12:55 FBIfai: 3 mika committed revision 5996 to 7 fai:  subroutines: /proc + /sys might be empty because they were unmounted inside $FAI_ROOT but are still registered in /etc/mtab outside of $FAI_ROOT, so let's get rid of them outside the chroot as well iff they are present
12:55 FBIfai: Signed-off-by: Michael Prokop <mika@grml.org>
12:55 FBIfai: 3 mika committed revision 5997 to 7 fai:  fai-do-scripts: add cfengine 3 support
12:55 FBIfai: Conflicts:
12:55 FBIfai: debian/changelog
12:55 FBIfai: 3 mika committed revision 5998 to 7 fai:  savelog.LAST: ignore ACPI Warning
12:55 FBIfai: Conflicts:
12:55 FBIfai: debian/changelog
12:55 FBIfai: 3 mika committed revision 5999 to 7 fai:  Fix debian/control
12:55 FBIfai: Signed-off-by: Michael Prokop <mika@grml.org>
12:55 FBIfai: 3 mika committed revision 6000 to 7 fai:  Minor doc bug (wrong path)
12:55 FBIfai: Signed-off-by: Michael Prokop <mika@grml.org>
12:55 FBIfai: 3 mika committed revision 6002 to 7 fai:  ftar, ftar.8: add xz support
12:55 FBIfai: Conflicts:
12:55 FBIfai: debian/changelog
12:55 FBIfai: 3 mika committed revision 6001 to 7 fai:  task_sysinfo: remove call of sysinfo (non open source software), check if blkid exists before calling it
12:55 FBIfai: Conflicts:
12:56 FBIfai: debian/changelog
12:56 FBIfai: 3 mika committed revision 6003 to 7 fai:  fcopy, fai-cd, fai-do-scripts, ftar, fai-debconf, dhcp-edit, fai-class, install_packages, ainsl, fai-mirror, fai-chboot: remove version information, remove e-mail address for bugs
12:56 FBIfai: Conflicts:
12:56 FBIfai: bin/fai-debconf
12:56 FBIfai: 3 mika committed revision 6004 to 7 fai:  fai-cd: add grub2 support (thanks to Sebastian Hetze for the patch)
12:56 FBIfai: Signed-off-by: Michael Prokop <mika@grml.org>
12:56 FBIfai: 3 mika committed revision 6005 to 7 fai:  remove test which is already done before
12:56 FBIfai: Signed-off-by: Michael Prokop <mika@grml.org>
12:56 FBIfai: 3 mika committed revision 6006 to 7 fai:  fai-cd.8: add option -G
12:56 FBIfai: Signed-off-by: Michael Prokop <mika@grml.org>
12:56 FBIfai: 3 mika committed revision 6007 to 7 fai:  fcopy: do not copy file if preinst script fails (closes: #573044) thanks to Andreas Schuldei for the patch
12:56 FBIfai: Conflicts:
12:56 FBIfai: debian/changelog
12:56 FBIfai: 3 mika committed revision 6008 to 7 fai:  * mkramdisks: add option -a, remove use of FAI_NORAMDISK, use FAI_RAMDISKS * subroutines: adjust to new option of mkramdisks
12:56 FBIfai: Signed-off-by: Michael Prokop <mika@grml.org>
12:56 FBIfai: 3 mika committed revision 6009 to 7 fai:  fix typo
12:56 FBIfai: Signed-off-by: Michael Prokop <mika@grml.org>
12:56 FBIfai: 3 mika committed revision 6011 to 7 fai:  subroutines: new subroutine umount_csspace, so it can be used in user hooks (thanks to Waldemar for the patch)
12:56 FBIfai: Signed-off-by: Michael Prokop <mika@grml.org>
12:56 FBIfai: 3 mika committed revision 6010 to 7 fai:  fixed syntax error (found by lintian run on experimental builds)
12:56 FBIfai: Signed-off-by: Michael Prokop <mika@grml.org>
12:56 FBIfai: 3 mika committed revision 6012 to 7 fai:  fai-guide.txt: add info how to generate the encrypted password
12:56 FBIfai: Conflicts:
12:56 FBIfai: debian/changelog
12:56 FBIfai: 3 mika committed revision 6013 to 7 fai:  control: update to new standards version
12:56 FBIfai: Signed-off-by: Michael Prokop <mika@grml.org>
12:56 FBIfai: 3 mika committed revision 6014 to 7 fai:  fai-cd: add checks if package download succeeded
12:56 FBIfai: Signed-off-by: Michael Prokop <mika@grml.org>
12:56 FBIfai: 3 mika committed revision 6015 to 7 fai:  fai-cd.8: add option -G
12:57 FBIfai: Signed-off-by: Michael Prokop <mika@grml.org>
12:57 FBIfai: 3 mika committed revision 6016 to 7 fai:  grub.cfg, Makefile: add missing grub.cfg to package
12:57 FBIfai: Conflicts:
12:57 FBIfai: debian/changelog
12:57 FBIfai: 3 mika committed revision 6017 to 7 fai:  fai-server.install: add missing grub.cfg
12:57 FBIfai: Signed-off-by: Michael Prokop <mika@grml.org>
12:57 FBIfai: 3 mika committed revision 6018 to 7 fai:  fai-cd: fix, use grub.cfg for grub2
12:57 FBIfai: Signed-off-by: Michael Prokop <mika@grml.org>
12:57 FBIfai: 3 mika committed revision 6019 to 7 fai:  fai-mirror, fai-mirror.8: add option -m
12:57 FBIfai: Conflicts:
12:57 FBIfai: debian/changelog
12:57 FBIfai: 3 mika committed revision 6020 to 7 fai:  disk_config: use UUID's in fstab
12:57 FBIfai: Signed-off-by: Michael Prokop <mika@grml.org>
12:57 FBIfai: 3 mika committed revision 6021 to 7 fai:  Merge fix.
12:57 FBIfai: Signed-off-by: Michael Prokop <mika@grml.org>
12:57 FBIfai: 3 mika committed revision 6022 to 7 fai:  make-fai-nfsroot: force creating of symlinks (closes: #588009)
12:57 FBIfai: Conflicts:
12:57 FBIfai: debian/changelog
12:57 alekibango i have always suspected taht FBI is spammer :D
12:57 FBIfai: 3 mika committed revision 6023 to 7 fai:  * fai-mirror: use $mirrordir if no argument given (closes: #428597) * get-config-dir-svn: use exit code of first command of pipe (closes: #557544)
12:57 FBIfai: Signed-off-by: Michael Prokop <mika@grml.org>
12:57 FBIfai: 3 mika committed revision 6025 to 7 fai:  fix line break, so normal text line does not start with a dot this makes lintian happy
12:57 FBIfai: Signed-off-by: Michael Prokop <mika@grml.org>
12:57 FBIfai: 3 mika committed revision 6024 to 7 fai:  fai-mirror: use $mirrordir if no argument given (closes: #428597)
12:57 FBIfai: Signed-off-by: Michael Prokop <mika@grml.org>
12:57 FBIfai: 3 mika committed revision 6026 to 7 fai:  Merged a larger number of patches from experimental into trunk:
12:57 FBIfai: - setup-storage_used-devs-only
12:57 FBIfai: - setup-storage_preserve-lazy
12:57 FBIfai: - setup-storage_lvm-preserve2
12:57 FBIfai: - setup-storage_resize2fs
12:57 FBIfai: 3 mika committed revision 6027 to 7 fai:  get-config-dir: change error message
12:58 FBIfai: Conflicts:
12:58 FBIfai: debian/changelog
12:58 FBIfai: 3 mika committed revision 6028 to 7 fai:  Merge fix debian/control
12:58 FBIfai: Signed-off-by: Michael Prokop <mika@grml.org>
12:58 FBIfai: 3 mika committed revision 6029 to 7 fai:  * Makefile, fai-nfsroot.dirs, fai-nfsroot.install, get-boot-info: Install dhclient-fai.conf and dhclient-fai-script into /usr/share/fai instead of /etc/dhcp3 (closes: #585063). * dhcp-edit, control: Updated to work with isc-dhcp-server or dhcp3-server, whichever is available. * fai-guide.txt: Updated to isc-dhcp-server.
12:58 FBIfai: Conflicts:
12:58 FBIfai: Makefile
12:58 FBIfai: 3 mika committed revision 6030 to 7 fai:  Fix merge conflict in Makefile.
12:58 FBIfai: Signed-off-by: Michael Prokop <mika@grml.org>
12:58 FBIfai: 3 mika committed revision 6031 to 7 fai:  savelog.LAST: add ignore pattern
12:58 FBIfai: Signed-off-by: Michael Prokop <mika@grml.org>
12:58 FBIfai: 3 mika committed revision 6032 to 7 fai:  * Makefile, fai-nfsroot.dirs, fai-nfsroot.install, get-boot-info: Install dhclient-fai.conf and dhclient-fai-script into /usr/share/fai instead of /etc/dhcp3 (closes: #585063). * dhcp-edit, control: Updated to work with isc-dhcp-server or dhcp3-server, whichever is available. * fai-guide.txt: Updated to isc-dhcp-server.
12:58 FBIfai: Conflicts:
12:58 FBIfai: debian/changelog
12:58 FBIfai: 3 mika committed revision 6033 to 7 fai:  savelog.LAST: add ignore pattern
12:58 FBIfai: Signed-off-by: Michael Prokop <mika@grml.org>
12:58 FBIfai: 3 mika committed revision 6034 to 7 fai:  Added sizespec non-terminal to grammer for nicer formatting as suggested by Thomas
12:58 FBIfai: Signed-off-by: Michael Prokop <mika@grml.org>
12:58 FBIfai: 3 mika committed revision 6035 to 7 fai:  minor hyphen-used-as-minus-sign fix
12:58 FBIfai: Signed-off-by: Michael Prokop <mika@grml.org>
12:58 FBIfai: 3 mika committed revision 6036 to 7 fai:  Fix errors in Makefile from missleading merge.
12:58 FBIfai: Signed-off-by: Michael Prokop <mika@grml.org>
12:58 FBIfai: 3 mika committed revision 6037 to 7 fai:  Add myself as uploader, ack-ed by Thomas Lange.
12:58 FBIfai: Signed-off-by: Michael Prokop <mika@grml.org>
12:58 FBIfai: 3 mika committed revision 6038 to 7 fai:  Replace lenny with squeeze in all apt related sources.
12:58 FBIfai: Signed-off-by: Michael Prokop <mika@grml.org>
12:58 FBIfai: 3 mika committed revision 6039 to 7 fai:  conf/NFSROOT, doc/includes/faisetup.txt: drop deprecated aufs-modules-* package.
12:58 FBIfai: Signed-off-by: Michael Prokop <mika@grml.org>
12:58 alekibangowowow
12:58 FBIfai: 3 mika committed revision 6040 to 7 fai:  20-hwdetect.source: make sure the kernel module directory drivers/ide/pci exists before using it.
12:59 FBIfai: Signed-off-by: Michael Prokop <mika@grml.org>
12:59 FBIfai: 3 mika committed revision 6041 to 7 fai:  package_config/GNOME: drop deprecated packages iceweasel-gnome-support, icedove-gnome-support and gnome-apt.
12:59 FBIfai: Signed-off-by: Michael Prokop <mika@grml.org>
12:59 FBIfai: 3 mika committed revision 6042 to 7 fai:  simple examples: use GRUB_PC as default, add info header to GRUB and GRUB_PC scripts.
12:59 FBIfai: Signed-off-by: Michael Prokop <mika@grml.org>
12:59 FBIfai: 3 mika committed revision 6043 to 7 fai:  bin/make-fai-nfsroot: do not divert update-initramfs by default any longer
12:59 FBIfai: The FAI generated /etc/kernel-img.conf avoids generation
12:59 alekibango(woot woot woot)**3
12:59 FBIfai: of the initrd by the kernel by default. The divertion
12:59 FBIfai: mechanism from make-fai-nfsroot avoids registration of
12:59 FBIfai: the kernel for initramfs-tools and therefor generating
12:59 FBIfai: 3 mika committed revision 6044 to 7 fai:  new setup-fai-test-environment script create two virtual machines for testing
12:59 FBIfai: Signed-off-by: Michael Prokop <mika@grml.org>
12:59 FBIfai: 3 mika committed revision 6045 to 7 fai:  Revert wrongly applied 6326855.
12:59 FBIfai: Signed-off-by: Michael Prokop <mika@grml.org>
12:59 FBIfai: 3 mika committed revision 6046 to 7 fai:  Release new version 3.4.0.
12:59 FBIfai: Signed-off-by: Michael Prokop <mika@grml.org>
12:59 mikapalekibango: hehe, yeah - would be nice to have a way how to temporarly disable the bot
12:59 mikapbut i'm done for now :)
12:59 alekibangomikap: np, i love reading logs
13:00 alekibangoi found that its best fun to read it using gource
13:00 alekibangoat least for some projects
13:00 alekibangoyou always see ONE name sticking all over the place.... doing everything
13:00 mgoetzeuh, that was the result of "push all my git changes into svn"? :)
13:01 alekibangoi would say that svn is so obsolete that you should reconsider git or bzr now
13:01 alekibangoits maybe the best time for this
13:01 mikapmgoetze: this was the "push the stable branch which was fetched via git-svn, cherry-picked and edited"-branch put back to svn :)
13:01 mgoetzealekibango: you'll have to convince MrFai
13:01 alekibangoso the squeeze development can become faster...
13:01 alekibangoand easier to manage
13:02 alekibangoi c
13:02 mikapalekibango: tell news ;) but as long as MrFai doesn't want to switch we have to live with svn
13:02 alekibangoi also didnt like git, and i dont even love it now....
13:02 alekibangobut i acked that its FAST  and powerfull
13:02 mikapi love git
13:03 alekibangomikap: usually i develop in small teams (1-2, maybe 3 people)
13:03 alekibangoand i hate how git is hard to grasp
13:03 alekibangoits complicated
13:03 alekibangoshould be easy like abc
13:03 \shmikap: debdiff showed up
13:03 mikapno, git isn't that hard if you don't want to use more than you do with svn
13:03 mikap\sh: noticed it, thanks!
13:04 \shmikap: if you need buildlogs just tell me ;)
13:04 mikap\sh: ok thx
13:04 alekibangomikap: i still feel like git novice after 18 months of giting
13:04 alekibangoi know 30% of vim features - and i feel like guru
13:05 \shbah not only irc bot flood but also mail flood ;)
13:05 mikapalekibango: because git is that powerful, but for the usual dev stuff it's not that hard nowadays (a lot improved since the early days)
13:05 alekibangomikap:  i know, and thats why i  use it
13:05 mikap\sh: sorry :)
13:05 alekibangobut its still not easy enough for 'the other people'
13:06 alekibangoso, what was the big commit about?
13:06 alekibangomoving to squeeze? does it work?
13:06 alekibangowhen we will get package?
13:06 alekibango:D
13:07 alekibangomikap: but those git reset commands really scared me, heh
13:07 alekibangoand rebase still does
13:07 alekibango:D
13:07 mikapalekibango: https://lists.uni-koeln.de/pipermail/linux-fai/2010-August/008142.html
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13:08 alekibangomikap: ty
13:08 alekibangoshould be in topic
13:09 alekibangomikap: and btw, big thanks for your work
13:10 alekibangomikap: and you have my voice for move to git when talking to mrfai
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Topic changed on #fai by mikap!mika@mail.michael-prokop.at: FAI 3.4 (etch/lenny/squeeze) -> https://lists.uni-koeln.de/pipermail/linux-fai/2010-August/008142.html + http://people.debian.org/~mika/fai/release/ || The FAI project celebrates its 10(+x)th anniversary. Read the story in German http://www.informatik.uni-koeln.de/fai/otherdocs/10jahre.html
13:12 alekibangoi would say the best reason i can think of (for argument) is that it will make his work easier :)
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13:12 mikapalekibango: yeah, let's see
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13:50 oz__d-i installs ubuntu right know...
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