[00:13] <ikarus> how is FAI intended to change it's boot order after install ? looks like, ssh back to install server and run fai-chboot ? 
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[07:24] <\sh> moins
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[08:56] <mgoetze> ikarus: pxelinux.cfg, and yes
[09:08] <FBI> fai: 3 mt committed revision 5865 to 7 fai:  - updated patches to current trunk
[09:08] <FBI> fai: - added patch for dhcp3->dhcp4 transition such that FAI works on both lenny and
[09:09] <FBI> fai:   squeeze.
[09:22] <alekibango> hello. why is fai mirror needed when i do fai-cd?  i would like to use my approx instead...
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[09:31] <Mrfai> you can do that, but it needs some manual work.
[09:31] <alekibango> hmm you mean like changing source?
[09:32] <Mrfai> give an emty directory for the mirror when calling fai-cd and adjust the sources.list on the fai-cd
[09:32] <alekibango> ahh, a trick
[09:32] <alekibango> :D
[09:33] <Mrfai> or just leave the partitial mirror on the fai-cd _and_ use approx
[09:35] <alekibango> btw what should i do when i cant control the dhcp server and i need to use fai? how do i configure the  network for the computer i want install?
[09:35] <oz_> use the "ip=" kernel boot paramter 
[09:36] <oz_> parameter, even.
[09:36] <Mrfai> on the fai-cd, there are grub menu entries using a fixed IP address
[09:36] <alekibango> that ip from cmdline will get parsed and used to configure network on the new computer?
[09:37] <alekibango> i thought its just helper for kernel when you cant use dhcp (like i cant)
[09:37] <alekibango> luckily i can use ipmi when things get ugly :D
[09:37] <alekibango> (servers are faar away from me)
[09:39] <alekibango> hmm i am trying fai from sid... and i created a fai cd.. booted it to try installing fai server -> it failed with INTERNAL ERROR in setup-storage: fstabkey undefined
[09:40] <mgoetze> alekibango: and you have an fstabkey in your disk_config?
[09:40] <alekibango> hmm need to check. maybe not
[09:40] <alekibango> i just used the provided 'demo'
[09:40] <alekibango> thought it will work
[09:42] <alekibango> so it will not be internal error perhaps, but something between chair and keyboard :D
[09:49] <alekibango> hmm will try that later. thanks for help so far.
[09:53] <mgoetze> alekibango: unfortunately the provided simple-examples are still optimized for lenny
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[10:09] <FBI> fai: 3 mt committed revision 5866 to 7 fai:  fixing a bug when LVM is used on entire disks
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[14:08] <siretart> hi
[14:26] <siretart> hat jemand die mobilnummer von stephan zur hand?
[14:33] <aptituz> hat jemand die mobilnummer von Peter zur Hand?
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[17:06] <mgoetze> aptituz: welcher peter?
[17:09] <aptituz> mgoetze: keine Ahnung, ich fand die Frage nur komisch und wollt was ähnlich komisches antworten ;)
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[18:28] <Operator23> I do not have a /usr/share/fai/subroutines file.
[18:28] <Operator23> Why would this be the case?
[18:38] <mgoetze> aptituz: ahja, also mir war klar welcher stephan gemeint war und warum siretart heute danach fragt :P
[18:38] <mgoetze> Operator23: maybe you don't have fai-client installed?
[18:39] <mgoetze> Operator23: or maybe you meant /usr/lib/fai/subroutines ?
[18:39] <Operator23> Nope, it's there.
[18:39] <Operator23> Or rather, that package is installed.
[18:39] <Operator23> OK, I got the wrong path from the docs here:
[18:39] <Operator23> http://www.informatik.uni-koeln.de/fai/fai-guide/ar01s07.html
[18:40] <mgoetze> could you file a bug against fai-doc about that, please?
[18:41] <Operator23> Sure; could you point me where to go to do so?
[18:41] <mgoetze> probably you just need to run the command "reportbug"
[18:42] <Operator23> Thanks.
[18:42] <mgoetze> actually i can probably fix this myself :)
[18:43] <FBI> fai: 3 mgoetze-guest committed revision 5867 to 7 fai:  Minor doc bug (wrong path)
[18:43] <mgoetze> let's hope i didn't break anything :)
[18:44] <Operator23> Ah, thanks.
[18:45] <mgoetze> mikap: r5867 would be relevant for a stable branch, i guess :)
[18:59] <ikarus> so erm, if you need to get fai-chboot working from the clients ? you really need a passwordless login on the server which can change the filesystem ? 
[18:59] <ikarus> (so the FAI installer at the end can automatically disable network boot)
[19:04] <mgoetze> ikarus: i think so, yes. you can put an ssh private key in your nfsroot
[19:04] <ikarus> mgoetze: mmm, k
[19:04] <ikarus> that would be ideal
[19:05] <mgoetze> (i haven't used the feature myself)
[19:05] <ikarus> that way I can atleast mandate a command and point it via a safe wrapper
[19:05] <ikarus> mgoetze: I'm setting up 23 Access Points in 2 days using FAI, while not having used FAI other then for some experiments before :)
[19:06] <ikarus> oh and the install is running on boxes without VGA :)
[19:06] <ikarus> go silly...
[19:06] <Operator23> ikarus: Nice number of machines.
[19:06] <mgoetze> i'm sure other people would be interested in your wrapper if you get it working... you should send it to the fai-user mailing list or ask MrFai for a wiki account and put it there
[19:06] <mgoetze> btw, what hardware are you using for your APs?
[19:07] <ikarus> mgoetze: PC Engines ALIX 
[19:07] <ikarus> forgot the exact type
[19:07] <mgoetze> nice, i have one of those as my home router
[19:07] <ikarus> yup
[19:08] <ikarus> these will run the entire GUADEC wireless network
[19:08] <ikarus> (no pressure *snort*
[19:08] <mgoetze> i might get a chance to set up a multi-AP wireless network in 2012 but i'm afraid i'd need to find some cheaper hardware
[19:08] <ikarus> mgoetze: heh, at work I've had one based on Linksys APs for ages
[19:09] <mgoetze> how did you decide on 23... is there some rule of thumb about nr. of APs per area unit?
[19:09] <ikarus> but this is a network for 300 - 500 users....
[19:09] <mgoetze> heavy users i'm sure :)
[19:09] <ikarus> mgoetze: yeah, 3 APs per room, 6 APs for the large room, 3 APs in the lounge, 3 APs in the lobby
[19:09] <ikarus> and uh, I forgot one or two somewhere
[19:09] <ikarus> anyway, there is logic ot the madness
[19:10] <mgoetze> must be pretty big rooms
[19:10] <ikarus> otoh
[19:10] <ikarus> mgoetze: seat 50 - 100 people each
[19:10] <ikarus> mgoetze: and a single AP will only handle around 25 - 30 people comfortably 
[19:11] <mgoetze> ah i see :)
[19:12] <mgoetze> maybe i could ask an alix distributor whether they'd be willing to do a leasing deal for 10-20 units... oh well far-off future problem for me :)
[19:12] <ikarus> heh
[19:13] <ikarus> we are tempted to get PC Engines to customize some units with proper PoE instead of the hackish solution they run now
[19:13] <ikarus> ALL AP wires have to be lead back to a large power bank
[19:13] <ikarus> while with proper PoE we'd just drop a PoE switch per room
[19:14] <ikarus> the option with the current solution is a Power  injector per machine, or our large bank
[19:20] <mgoetze> oh really, i thought the injector was just for people who don't have poe switches
[19:21] <ikarus> mgoetze: nope, they use 7 - 18 volt on blue/brown pair instead of 48 volts + sensing logic PoE uses
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[20:04] <Operator23> My confdir hook does not appear to be executing at all.
[20:04] <Operator23> Any idea what I might have missed?
[20:05] <mgoetze> Operator23: is it executable?
[20:05] <Operator23> Yup.
[20:05] <Operator23> 755, root:root
[20:05] <Operator23> Is that OK?
[20:05] <mgoetze> yes
[20:05] <mgoetze> what's it called?
[20:05] <Operator23> I copied it, so it's "confdir" and "confdir.FAIBASE"
[20:06] <Operator23> previously I was just using confdir.FAIBASE
[20:06] <mgoetze> uhm i don't think confdir is the name of any task
[20:06] <mgoetze> when did you want it to be run?
[20:06] <Operator23> It's the first task where I'm looking
[20:06] <Operator23> Right at the start
[20:07] <Operator23> http://www.informatik.uni-koeln.de/fai/fai-guide/ar01s07.html
[20:07] <Operator23> I'm in a university CS department; we're using a version of FAI from at least two years back
[20:07] <Operator23> I'm trying to bring us up to speed.
[20:07] <mgoetze> oh, well your config dir obviously isn't available before that task is run
[20:08] <mgoetze> so fai won't know you wanted to run a hook until it's too late
[20:08] <Operator23> Oooook.
[20:08] <Operator23> That makes sense.
[20:08] <Operator23> So what's the earliest I can run a hook?
[20:09] <Operator23> Since these machines are in all sorts of places physically, an early part of the install process is authentication.
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[20:09] <Operator23> In the running ancient version, the confdir hook takes care of this.
[20:13] <mikap> mgoetze: thanks :)
[20:13] <mikap> mgoetze: i'll work with MrFai on stable release next week at debcamp
[20:25] <mgoetze> Operator23: i guess in the ancient version the config space was included in the nfsroot
[20:26] <mgoetze> Operator23: anyway, try setup instead of confdir, if that's too late you'll have to hack the nfsroot
[20:26] <mgoetze> gnight for now
[20:28] <Operator23> I switched it to setup and it still did nothing... I may have screwed something else up.
[20:35] <Operator23> Thanks for your help in any case, I'll be back eventually.
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