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| 07:43 \sh | moins |
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| 08:08 \sh | oh someone from dortmund :) |
| 08:10 PsychoDoc | sh but not at time, just my vpn :) |
| 08:11 PsychoDoc | now i am 170km away, but at the weekend i drive back :) |
| 08:13 \sh | PsychoDoc: greetings to my old hometown :) |
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| 08:13 PsychoDoc | now problem :) |
| 08:17 PsychoDoc | are you study there? |
| 08:19 \sh | PsychoDoc: oh well, I was in my youth :) 20 years ago :) |
| 08:20 PsychoDoc | hehe when your finished? |
| 08:21 \sh | PsychoDoc: I didn't finish my studies...I started a company during my studies :) so I had to decide what makes more fun, studing or earning money ;) |
| 08:21 PsychoDoc | hehe, the same thing what to mutch people are do :) |
| 08:21 \sh | but today this is no fun....in the 90ties it was much easier and we had the commercial internet boom :) |
| 08:22 PsychoDoc | jupp, tody is hard to work |
| 08:23 PsychoDoc | the work is the reason why i at this channel :) |
| 08:27 PsychoDoc | i see your video for dc2 and i waiting for the first release |
| 08:32 \sh | hehe :) |
| 08:34 oz__ | \sh: 90s IT-Business SUCKs |
| 08:34 oz__ | pulseaudio imho shows why |
| 08:34 PsychoDoc | but i think you are to late for this job. a install at this time gosa with fai support :) on lucid |
| 08:34 \sh | oz__: lol |
| 08:34 oz__ | \sh: it's too hard to get this out of ubuntu... |
| 08:35 oz__ | but my sound just works fine without this pulseaudio-shit |
| 08:35 \sh | oz__: tbh..I don't care about such things...at least I can listen to music...;) |
| 08:35 oz__ | \sh: I wanted to use 10.4 as multimedia server |
| 08:36 oz__ | but I think I have to use a different distro :-/ |
| 08:36 \sh | the only thing I care about is, when scott james remnant or any other guy thinks about adding network manager dbus crap as default networking solution for linux |
| 08:36 oz__ | "network manager" *vomit* |
| 08:36 oz__ | dbus *die* |
| 08:36 \sh | oz__: if you want to do real audio stuff, you should go without pulseaudio and do plain alsa... |
| 08:37 \sh | oz__: and install a real time kernel ;) |
| 08:37 oz__ | \sh: I did. Even with 10.4. but it was hard to get it out |
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| 08:38 \sh | oz__: yes...because it's too deep in the system but this is also the case I think for fedora or opensuse ... LfS would be a good solution or gentoo :) |
| 08:39 oz__ | \sh: why not vanilla debian? ;) |
| 08:40 \sh | oz__: because gentoo or LfS is easier to compile with gcc-6.66 -Ozazor -fFAST ;) |
| 08:40 \sh | oh s/zazor/razor/ |
| 08:42 oz__ | okay... I'll try it |
| 08:42 \sh | hmmm...I wonder if I should just upload fai 3.3.5 to maverick, just for the "it's back in" feeling |
| 08:43 oz__ | the video now is so fine running on this ION chipset, bluray 1080p encoded with almost zero CPU usage in top-quality |
| 08:43 oz__ | and the sond was wrecked |
| 08:43 oz__ | I could kill the guys promoting pulseaudio... |
| 08:45 \sh | oz__: the problem is: we already had working sound servers in the unix past ;) |
| 08:45 oz__ | \sh: ouh yes. |
| 08:45 oz__ | the unix past was full of glory |
| 08:45 oz__ | now it's a bit sad |
| 08:46 oz__ | too much stupid ideas lurking around |
| 08:46 oz__ | and guys with no clue in the strong positions. |
| 08:47 \sh | the best idea was to play sound via soundserver on a LTSP server and then sending it via ssh tunnel to an Xclient which again receives it via soundserver and plays locally the music ;) |
| 08:47 oz__ | bestest! |
| 08:48 \sh | the worst thing was: it worked |
| 08:48 oz__ | <de>loch ins knie gebohrt und Kuchen rein</de> |
| 08:48 PsychoDoc | prust |
| 08:49 oz__ | shit. now I feet the urge to drink hard stuff...but still it's not 20:00 |
| 08:53 \sh | that reminds me to smoke a cigarette |
| 08:54 PsychoDoc | time for coffee :) |
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| 10:13 \sh | Mrfai: moins...any reasons against an upload of fai 3.3.5 for ubuntu to maverick? so we can have fai back in ubuntu and even if it's not working correctly, we can fix it until next LTS |
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| 11:05 Mrfai | \sh: It would be great if FAI will be included in maverick. I hope it's working correctly in maverick and that bugs will be fixed before the release. Please do not upload fai into ubuntu if there are bigger problems, and noone has time to solve them. |
| 11:19 \sh | Mrfai: robert wants to test the maverick ppa packages... |
| 11:21 Mrfai | great |
| 11:24 \sh | but he doesn't know when he has time for it...so the last date I would upload would be maverick feature freeze day (august 12) |
| 11:27 Mrfai | Good idea. |
| 11:53 mgoetze | i think the main question is whether anyone will have time to take care of it one or two months before the next lts release... |
| 11:56 \sh | mgoetze: regarding the result of lucid, I don't think that FAI has lot's of problems...imho it's more the config deploying maverick as system |
| 11:57 mgoetze | there is no fai in lucid... |
| 12:02 PsychoDoc | mgoetze du you try the fai pakages vom launchpad? |
| 12:02 mgoetze | PsychoDoc: no, i personally have no interest whatsoever in using a non-debian nfsroot |
| 12:02 PsychoDoc | mgoetze a ok. |
| 12:03 mgoetze | the point is not whether there are reasonable packages available $somewhere. the point is that there are none in lucid, and before lucid there were only some horribly broken 3.1.x packages |
| 12:07 \sh | mgoetze: right, not officially...and for maverick, I'll do the bug uploads...and eventually bug fixing together with others like robert or sebastian |
| 12:08 Mrfai | \sh do you think it worth to update the webpage of the ubuntu fai developers? https://launchpad.net/~fai |
| 12:09 \sh | I should talk to reinhard about that... |
| 12:09 Mrfai | ok |
| 12:10 \sh | Mrfai: anything you want to see on this overview page? |
| 12:11 \sh | btw...I would like to propose something like "planet.fai.org" ;) |
| 12:11 mgoetze | oh right ... the domain ... |
| 12:11 Mrfai | first remove old things (like ... dapper and feisty) |
| 12:12 Mrfai | then remove the part about kubuntu, xubuntu,.... I guess noone will work on this in the near future |
| 12:12 Mrfai | then remove inactive members |
| 12:17 \sh | Mrfai: I'll ping siretart because of this..I can upload to this ppa but siretart is owner of the team... |
| 12:20 Mrfai | ok. IIRC siretart will be in NY at debconf, so I will also talk to hin about FAI :-) |
| 12:20 \sh | Mrfai: that would be great... |
| 12:21 mikap | who of FAI devs/contributors/users/... is at DC10 btw? do we have a listing somewhere already so we know who joins debcamp/debconf? |
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| 12:28 \sh | Mrfai: you call for siretart here he is :) thx siretart for joining :) |
| 12:29 siretart | hi! |
| 12:29 siretart | hi Stephan, hi Thomas! |
| 12:29 \sh | Hi reinhard |
| 12:30 \sh | siretart: thomas wants some changes to the launchpad.net/~fai overview page... |
| 12:30 siretart | ok |
| 12:33 siretart | \sh: btw, thanks for your lucid packages in the fai ppa. AFAIUI matthias here working on deploying them here |
| 12:34 \sh | siretart: no problem....during FAI workshop I promised that...and people need to test them...I tested them before to do a simple lucid installation from a lucid fai server |
| 12:36 Mrfai | siretart: see you in NY? When will you arrive in NY? |
| 12:37 siretart | Mrfai: my flight is next tuesday, so I'll be available at wednesday |
| 12:37 siretart | Mrfai: looking forward to see you :-) |
| 12:41 \sh | siretart: i missed you in essen :) |
| 12:42 siretart | \sh: yeah, I'd love to do some more work on fai, but these days I really need to focus on my actual research work :-( |
| 12:43 \sh | siretart: I know that... |
| 13:23 \sh | IT'S DONE |
| 13:23 \sh | sources of (DC)² are online |
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| 13:36 mikap | \sh: awesome! |
| 13:37 \sh | mail sent to linux-fai and some infos on my blog |
| 13:37 mikap | \sh: mika@lunge /tmp/dc2 (bzr)-[dc2:4] % - yey :) |
| 13:37 \sh | hehe |
| 13:39 \sh | I also have an invitation about writing an "real world example" excerpt for the qooxdoo project...really nice...the head of qooxdoo development of 1&1 contacted me |
| 13:41 mikap | nice |
| 13:43 mikap | \sh: you've http://launchpad.net/faimgr/ referrenced in the source code, jfyi |
| 13:43 \sh | bah where? |
| 13:43 mikap | ./fai-config/setup.py: |
| 13:44 \sh | ok fixed and pushed |
| 13:45 mikap | description = 'Python FAI Manager Framework' - is this what you'd like to call it there? |
| 13:46 mikap | running "grep -r faimgr ." might be worth a closer look, not sure whether you'd like to get rid of the "faimgr" stuff or its by intention |
| 13:47 \sh | ah well, that's by intention...I'll rename that later ... the names are only symlinks |
| 13:48 mikap | k |
| 13:53 \sh | ok..now back to other business :( |
| 14:39 Mrfai | ich dachte die wollen nur stable |
| 14:45 \sh | wer will nur stable? ;) |
| Action: oz__ will nur stable - no work for the Admin ;) |
| 14:46 Mrfai | \sh: wrong hannel: bzed wollte eine FAI CD fuer enterprise Kunden mit squeeze |
| 14:47 \sh | Mrfai: hmmm...enterprise... |
| 14:48 \sh | Mrfai: btw..meinst du es waere moeglich das nfsroot anstelle via nfs per webdav im live initramfs zu benutzen? ;) |
| 14:48 \sh | per fuse-dav oder sowas? (falls es das gibt?) |
| 14:49 Mrfai | theoretisch schon, ich nicht ob das schon jemand gemacht hat. Meine Idee ist ja ein nfsroot FS via http. |
| 14:50 \sh | ich hatte vorhin so eine idee...normalerweise deployen die cloud fuzzies ja ihre maschinen mit einem image...wenn das geht, dass die pxe over http booten koennten, dann ein fuse-webdav oder sowas fs reinmounten+config space ... dann koennte man auch das provisionieren komplett von seinem platz aus machen und muesste nicht mehr mit dem ganzen image geraffel hantieren |
| 14:50 mikap | Mrfai: httpfs=... |
| 14:51 mikap | \sh: bist du in NY eigentlich dabei? |
| 14:53 siretart | \sh: warum kein 'fai nfsroot bootstrap' image erstellen? |
| 14:53 \sh | mikap: nein..kein debconf (/me ist ja nicht so debian involved) ausserdem keine zeit, kein geld (ich muesste frau und kind mitnehmen ;)) |
| 14:54 mikap | \sh: ah schade :) |
| 14:54 Mrfai | mikap: IMO ist das kein richtiges fs. Es braucht auf remote seite immer ein ISO image. |
| 14:54 \sh | siretart: na das waere ein schritt zu viel...maschien -> bios -> pxe via http -> auf dein gpxe archive -> kernel / initrd booten -> nfsroot via http/webdav mounten -> config space mounten -> done (wie eine normale installation via fai ohne zwischenschritte) |
| 14:55 mikap | Mrfai: das könnte schon auch ein ext2 oder so sein IIRC, wäre aber mal genauer anzusehen |
| 14:55 \sh | siretart: ansosnten bau ich amazon api einfach mit in (DC)² rein ;) |
| 15:00 siretart | \sh: keine ahnung ob man in EC2 beliebige pxe kerne booten kann. AFAIUI hat man ein webinterface in dem man ein image hochlaedt |
| 15:00 siretart | \sh: aber ich glaube doku fuer dc2 ist erstmal wichtiger ;-) |
| 15:01 \sh | siretart: yepp... |
| 15:02 \sh | siretart: im moment bin ich voll unter dauerstress....ab freitag datacenter umzug NBG nach FFM/EQUINIX , dann fuer Oktober muss DC2 komplett stehen und Lucid deployen koennen+ puppet integration damit wir waerend des production betriebes alle maschinen neu deployen koennen ohne ausfall :) |
| 15:03 siretart | wow |
| 15:03 siretart | ist pupett da fest reinkodiert oder koennte man das durch cfengine2 austauschen? |
| 15:04 \sh | siretart: puppet kann man replacen...ich bastel aber noch an einer UI fuer puppet recipes und puppet nodes...damit man das zusammenklickern kann ;) fuer die juniors halt ;) |
| 15:07 siretart | \sh: in meinem setup arbeiten wir mit cfengine2, und ich hab maessig lust das alles (config+server) nach puppet zu migrieren. daher die frage |
| 15:10 \sh | siretart: wie schon bei der presentation gesagt, FAI bleibt FAI...alles was ihr macht, bleibt bestehen...das DC2 zeugs muss aktive deployed werden und eingebaut werden in bestehende config spaces... |
| 15:12 \sh | Mrfai: add IPAPPEND=2 to the pxelinux.cfg/<ip/mac/uuid> files so that we can arrange BOOTIF support in live initramfs |
| 15:12 \sh | that reminds me...I have to prepare some debdiffs for mikap |
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| 15:14 Mrfai | \sh: this is already on the FAI roadmap |
| 15:20 \sh | Mrfai: cool |
| 15:21 Mrfai | no, it's already implemented in fai-chboot (in svn trunk). A new option -P was added |
| 15:22 \sh | mikap: do you need the debdiff of live-initramfs for lenny or squeeze? |
| 15:22 \sh | (for suqeeze I need to setup a package mirror first) |
| 15:23 mikap | \sh: shouldn't matter, i've to rebase it against trunk anyway ;) |
| 15:28 \sh | mikap: ok :) |
| 15:29 \sh | well...just started to mirror squeeze ;) |
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| 16:24 \sh | ok..time for a beer...cu tomorrow |
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