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| 09:27 oz_ | mokay. |
| 09:28 oz_ | the time for me & ubuntu is over, it seems |
| 09:28 oz_ | never seen such a whacky desktop/audio config |
| 09:29 oz_ | looks quite okay, but works like *vomit* |
| 09:29 oz_ | </rant> |
| 09:29 oz_ | I'll go back to debian for desktop |
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| Action: glance is happy over the well intergrated pulseaudio in lucid |
| 12:12 oz_ | glance: well integrated? <de>http://forum.golem.de/kommentare/opensource/systemd-neues-init-system-vorgestellt/aus-welchem-grund-soll-man-das-nochmal-nehmen-weil-pulseaudio-so-toll-funktioniert/41152,2232980,2232980,read.html</de> |
| 12:13 oz_ | no, it's not. too many bugs. |
| 12:13 glance | to mutch german for my taste. |
| 12:13 oz_ | I'm certain that it works on the most default hardware, but on most other boxes, oh noes. |
| Action: oz_ *mumbles* "it's ready when it's ready..." and goes off to work |
| 12:14 glance | theres a lot of broken drivers that breaks pa, but thats a alsa problem, not a pa problem |
| 12:15 oz_ | on my system alsa alone works perfekt |
| 12:15 oz_ | pa adds noise and stuff. |
| 12:15 oz_ | but we're heavily off-topic |
| 12:15 oz_ | :) |
| 12:19 mgoetze | oh it's very much on-topic. consider: "is it worthwhile having ubuntu support in FAI?" ;) |
| 12:19 oz_ | hehe |
| 12:20 oz_ | I am currently planning to move my new Athlon330 ION multimedia box @ home "back" to Debian |
| 12:20 oz_ | so, from my poiont of view: no. |
| 12:20 oz_ | as I never saw any sense in the ubuntu-server thing. |
| 12:20 mgoetze | i've always been very happy with debian testing on my desktop systems |
| 12:21 oz_ | mgoetze: yes, but from 7.04 -> 9.04 I had the impression that I could save time |
| 12:21 oz_ | as the default desktop was quite usable without any tweakin' |
| 12:21 oz_ | Vanilla Debian needed some tweaking. |
| 12:22 mgoetze | sure, i guess for people who like gnome/metacity AND have more than 2 desktop systems, there are some advantages ;) |
| 12:22 oz_ | but also other stuff is ugly in the new ubuntu. It seems to be unfinished to me. |
| 12:23 oz_ | I don't like gnome, but I accept it :) |
| 12:24 mgoetze | i do use some things like gnome-power-manager and (on my laptop) network-manager, but basically i just use awesome |
| 12:25 oz_ | awesome? |
| 12:25 mgoetze | yes, it's a window manager |
| 12:25 glance | i have left good old fvwm for gnome nowadays, and i use ubuntu on everything from htpc, server to desktop and laptoå |
| Action: oz_ had ubuntu on a server, once... |
| 12:27 oz_ | I only tell the story after preparation and for the price of at least 1 beer. |
| 12:29 glance | we use fai quite alot on ubuntu, and 3.3.5ubuntu1 + some upstart fitting works just great with lucid |
| 12:30 mgoetze | haha upstart |
| 12:30 mgoetze | we've halted the deployment of lucid on customer systems due to https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/upstart/+bug/543506 |
| 12:30 oz_ | mgoetze: ha! there's even more of this? |
| 12:31 oz_ | I really think "It's ready when it's ready" has its charme. |
| 12:31 mgoetze | yup all our internal servers are debian |
| 12:31 mgoetze | (as are my personal ones) |
| 12:31 oz_ | wise. |
| 12:32 oz_ | *giggle*, this thread amuses me. |
| 12:39 oz_ | but I think fai should sopport OS even if they are bad. |
| 12:39 oz_ | I mean, I install windows via FAI, too |
| 12:39 oz_ | not much FAI in the windoze install, but I let FAI rule the installation process |
| 12:42 oz_ | .o0(don't comment on win7 vs. ubuntu...I .. must ... resist) |
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| 15:37 serverhorror | hmm can't quite find it right now but wasn't there something that classes should only contain [A-Z_]? |
| 15:37 serverhorror | and to go further what about the hostname then. hostnames are perfectly fine with dashes... |
| 15:38 mgoetze | serverhorror: just consider it a recommendation :) |
| 15:39 serverhorror | and what's the idea behind that? i mean i don't see possible problems by having dashes |
| 15:44 oz_ | there's a fair possibility that you avoid problems with regexes in shellscripts or so - would be my answer |
| 15:45 oz_ | but there may be others - thomas is the official voice, so... |
| 15:45 mgoetze | it's also helpful if you can just look at something and say, "oh, that's probably the name of a class" |
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| 15:46 oz_ | mgoetze: c'mon FAI users are all geniuses and don't need help like that, as beautiful it may look ;) |
| Action: oz_ waves to all and knocks off from work |
| 15:47 oz_ | ...and may the FAI be with you. 8-) |
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| 18:49 oz_ | http://www.despair.com/bp.html |
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