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[09:28] the time for me & ubuntu is over, it seems [09:28] never seen such a whacky desktop/audio config [09:29] looks quite okay, but works like *vomit* [09:29] [09:29] I'll go back to debian for desktop [09:58] ErKa (~keryell@APuteaux-154-1-91-156.w83-204.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined #fai. [10:43] Action: glance is happy over the well intergrated pulseaudio in lucid [12:12] glance: well integrated? http://forum.golem.de/kommentare/opensource/systemd-neues-init-system-vorgestellt/aus-welchem-grund-soll-man-das-nochmal-nehmen-weil-pulseaudio-so-toll-funktioniert/41152,2232980,2232980,read.html [12:13] no, it's not. too many bugs. [12:13] to mutch german for my taste. [12:13] I'm certain that it works on the most default hardware, but on most other boxes, oh noes. [12:14] Action: oz_ *mumbles* "it's ready when it's ready..." and goes off to work [12:14] theres a lot of broken drivers that breaks pa, but thats a alsa problem, not a pa problem [12:15] on my system alsa alone works perfekt [12:15] pa adds noise and stuff. [12:15] but we're heavily off-topic [12:15] :) [12:19] oh it's very much on-topic. consider: "is it worthwhile having ubuntu support in FAI?" ;) [12:19] hehe [12:20] I am currently planning to move my new Athlon330 ION multimedia box @ home "back" to Debian [12:20] so, from my poiont of view: no. [12:20] as I never saw any sense in the ubuntu-server thing. [12:20] i've always been very happy with debian testing on my desktop systems [12:21] mgoetze: yes, but from 7.04 -> 9.04 I had the impression that I could save time [12:21] as the default desktop was quite usable without any tweakin' [12:21] Vanilla Debian needed some tweaking. [12:22] sure, i guess for people who like gnome/metacity AND have more than 2 desktop systems, there are some advantages ;) [12:22] but also other stuff is ugly in the new ubuntu. It seems to be unfinished to me. [12:23] I don't like gnome, but I accept it :) [12:24] i do use some things like gnome-power-manager and (on my laptop) network-manager, but basically i just use awesome [12:25] awesome? [12:25] yes, it's a window manager [12:25] i have left good old fvwm for gnome nowadays, and i use ubuntu on everything from htpc, server to desktop and laptoå [12:26] Action: oz_ had ubuntu on a server, once... [12:27] I only tell the story after preparation and for the price of at least 1 beer. [12:29] we use fai quite alot on ubuntu, and 3.3.5ubuntu1 + some upstart fitting works just great with lucid [12:30] haha upstart [12:30] we've halted the deployment of lucid on customer systems due to https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/upstart/+bug/543506 [12:30] mgoetze: ha! there's even more of this? [12:31] I really think "It's ready when it's ready" has its charme. [12:31] yup all our internal servers are debian [12:31] (as are my personal ones) [12:31] wise. [12:32] *giggle*, this thread amuses me. [12:39] but I think fai should sopport OS even if they are bad. [12:39] I mean, I install windows via FAI, too [12:39] not much FAI in the windoze install, but I let FAI rule the installation process [12:42] .o0(don't comment on win7 vs. ubuntu...I .. must ... resist) [12:44] verwilst (~verwilst@router.begen1.office.netnoc.eu) joined #fai. [14:06] ErKa (~keryell@APuteaux-154-1-91-156.w83-204.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: Ping timeout: 480 seconds [15:37] hmm can't quite find it right now but wasn't there something that classes should only contain [A-Z_]? [15:37] and to go further what about the hostname then. hostnames are perfectly fine with dashes... [15:38] serverhorror: just consider it a recommendation :) [15:39] and what's the idea behind that? i mean i don't see possible problems by having dashes [15:44] there's a fair possibility that you avoid problems with regexes in shellscripts or so - would be my answer [15:45] but there may be others - thomas is the official voice, so... [15:45] it's also helpful if you can just look at something and say, "oh, that's probably the name of a class" [15:46] torge (~torge@blfd-5d8237d9.pool.mediaWays.net) joined #fai. [15:46] mgoetze: c'mon FAI users are all geniuses and don't need help like that, as beautiful it may look ;) [15:46] Action: oz_ waves to all and knocks off from work [15:47] ...and may the FAI be with you. 8-) [15:55] verwilst (~verwilst@router.begen1.office.netnoc.eu) left irc: Quit: Ex-Chat [16:39] torge (torge@blfd-5d8237d9.pool.mediaWays.net) left #fai. [18:49] http://www.despair.com/bp.html [19:35] mikemeyers (~quassel@p5B24841A.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) joined #fai. [19:44] mikemeyers (~quassel@p5B24841A.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [21:00] siggg (~jean@tra78-5-88-172-128-32.fbx.proxad.net) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [00:00] --- Wed Jun 9 2010