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| 06:12 k1lumin4t1 | hi there |
| 06:12 k1lumin4t1 | wanting to get some feedback on FAI |
| 08:06 oz_ | *feedback* |
| 08:06 oz_ | enuff? ;) |
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| 10:07 \sh | Mrfai, seems like FAI (src + binary) is gone from Ubuntu karmic |
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| 10:26 oz_ | is that good or bad? |
| 10:37 Mrfai | \sh: I've seen it in launchpad. Thanks a lot! |
| 10:38 Mrfai | oz_: this is good. |
| 10:38 \sh | Mrfai, you're welcome .) |
| 11:08 oz_ | yea, I see no sense in fai for ubuntu anyway |
| 11:08 oz_ | I found ubuntu-server less usable than vanilla-debian |
| 11:08 oz_ | better we provide a "ubuntu-install" config with FAI in debain ... ? |
| 11:08 oz_ | as users want the ubuntu desktop |
| Action: \sh wants ubuntu-server |
| 11:10 oz_ | \sh: why? |
| 11:10 \sh | less trouble with hardware drivers |
| 11:11 \sh | and "dear management you can buy support from C." |
| 11:12 \sh | and I can fix bugs I find more easily...;) |
| 11:12 oz_ | :-) |
| Action: oz_ had several update probs he never experience with vanilla debian |
| 11:14 \sh | because you will get the very same shit later in debian ;) upstart hell e.g. |
| 11:16 \sh | believe me, I'm not happy with all of ubuntu ideas |
| 11:17 oz_ | :-) |
| 11:17 oz_ | year, we already talked about this |
| 11:17 oz_ | I hope, this will NOT come |
| 11:18 oz_ | And I hope the the debian stays with their "It's ready when it's ready" philosophy |
| 11:18 oz_ | fixed release dates are pure...shit? |
| 11:21 \sh | nope...regarding enterprise they are not...you have dates you can rely on |
| 11:21 \sh | and for all other user monsters they need new food every 6 months ;) |
| 11:22 oz_ | "you can relay on"... |
| 11:22 oz_ | \sh: hm. my experience is different. |
| 11:23 oz_ | what use is a fixed date, when the software has lots of bugs? |
| 11:25 oz_ | happens with Debian also, I know |
| 13:28 mgoetze | ebbie: mit fcopy kannst du auch rechte direkt setzen, siehe dessen manpage |
| 13:29 mgoetze | \sh: i find upstart pretty cool actually, and have already installed it on my squeeze laptop :P |
| 13:29 mgoetze | anyway, my customers want ubuntu servers. silly them, but i install it with fai anyway |
| 14:35 ebbie | mgoetze: ja, das habe ich mir schon gedacht, muss dann aber trotzdem "mehr" pflegen, du weisst doch, admins sind faul ;) |
| 15:14 FBI | fai: 3 lange committed revision 5530 to 7 fai: add and fix bug numbers |
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| 16:04 h01ger | why is 506459 minor+wontfix? |
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| 16:16 mgoetze | h01ger: well you can easily include gitcore in your nfsroot by adding it to /etc/fai/NFSROOT |
| 16:16 mgoetze | h01ger: and i guess people getting their configspace via git are a rather small minority |
| Action: h01ger thinks gitcore is way more useful than cvs |
| 16:19 mgoetze | i could live with cvs being removed from the default nfsroot :) |
| 16:30 Mrfai | good idea. Let's see who is using which tool..... |
| 16:31 Mrfai | grep ...... q-answers.html (the fai questionnaire) | wc |
| 16:31 Mrfai | no revision control system for config space: 42 |
| 16:32 mgoetze | Mrfai: well i keep my config space in svn, nevertheless i provide it to install clients via nfs |
| 16:33 Mrfai | RCS: 2, CVS: 7, git: 2, svn 23 |
| 16:33 h01ger | Mrfai, just today i was wondering how a company achieved iso9001 certification without using revision control systems. i assume they print their code on numbered paper for archival or such. that is clearly iso9001 compatible :-) |
| 16:34 Mrfai | mgoetze: in your fai questionnaire you would answer svn i guess, not nfs |
| 16:34 mgoetze | Mrfai: right, but i don't need svn in the nfsroot :) |
| 16:34 Mrfai | yep |
| 16:35 mgoetze | anyway as far as i'm concerned they can all go - people should get used to putting some minimal amount of work into their /etc/fai/* |
| 16:35 Mrfai | but IMO a usefull default would be to have svn inside the nfsroot, but not cvs, git, bzr,... |
| 16:35 Mrfai | btw bzr: 1 |
| 16:36 h01ger | mgoetze, bah. fai should work out of the box, not with a minimal amount of work |
| 16:36 mgoetze | h01ger: well, out of the box, it grabs the config space via nfs |
| 16:37 mgoetze | so all you need is a comment in /etc/fai/fai.conf, telling people that if they change how they access the config space they also need to change /etc/fai/NFSROOT accordingly |
| 16:38 Mrfai | h01ger: even a d-i installation takes minimal amount of work ;-) and does not work out of the box |
| 16:39 h01ger | mgoetze, think softupdate |
| 16:40 mgoetze | right, if you're doing softupdates you already need to make sure you install the rev ctrl system you're using... |
| 16:40 mgoetze | or do you propose adding git-core, cvs, subversion, bzr, darcs etc. to simple-examples? |
| 16:40 h01ger | i propose working-configspace instead of simple-examples |
| 16:40 h01ger | read the archives :-D |
| 16:41 h01ger | sorry, i'm a bit busy and annoyed with $work atm... but that idea is really very old |
| Action: oz_ agrees with holger |
| 16:43 mgoetze | i'd like a working-configspace for rhel5. and soon, lucid :) |
| 16:43 mgoetze | debian is too easy... |
| 16:45 mgoetze | anyway, mein akku ist so gut wie leer, muss mir mal ein plaetzchen mit steckdose suchen ;) |
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