[06:12] k1lumin4t1 (~k1lumin4t@190.74.105.100) joined #fai. [06:12] hi there [06:12] wanting to get some feedback on FAI [08:06] *feedback* [08:06] enuff? ;) [09:43] Mrfai (~lange@suenner.informatik.uni-koeln.de) joined #fai. [10:07] <\sh> Mrfai, seems like FAI (src + binary) is gone from Ubuntu karmic [10:18] simNIX (~simNIX@156-60.bbned.dsl.internl.net) left irc: Quit: Ik ga weg [10:26] is that good or bad? [10:37] \sh: I've seen it in launchpad. Thanks a lot! [10:38] oz_: this is good. [10:38] <\sh> Mrfai, you're welcome .) [11:08] yea, I see no sense in fai for ubuntu anyway [11:08] I found ubuntu-server less usable than vanilla-debian [11:08] better we provide a "ubuntu-install" config with FAI in debain ... ? [11:08] as users want the ubuntu desktop [11:09] Action: \sh wants ubuntu-server [11:10] \sh: why? [11:10] <\sh> less trouble with hardware drivers [11:11] <\sh> and "dear management you can buy support from C." [11:12] <\sh> and I can fix bugs I find more easily...;) [11:12] :-) [11:13] Action: oz_ had several update probs he never experience with vanilla debian [11:14] <\sh> because you will get the very same shit later in debian ;) upstart hell e.g. [11:16] <\sh> believe me, I'm not happy with all of ubuntu ideas [11:17] :-) [11:17] year, we already talked about this [11:17] I hope, this will NOT come [11:18] And I hope the the debian stays with their "It's ready when it's ready" philosophy [11:18] fixed release dates are pure...shit? [11:21] <\sh> nope...regarding enterprise they are not...you have dates you can rely on [11:21] <\sh> and for all other user monsters they need new food every 6 months ;) [11:22] "you can relay on"... [11:22] \sh: hm. my experience is different. [11:23] what use is a fixed date, when the software has lots of bugs? [11:25] happens with Debian also, I know [13:28] ebbie: mit fcopy kannst du auch rechte direkt setzen, siehe dessen manpage [13:29] \sh: i find upstart pretty cool actually, and have already installed it on my squeeze laptop :P [13:29] anyway, my customers want ubuntu servers. silly them, but i install it with fai anyway [14:35] mgoetze: ja, das habe ich mir schon gedacht, muss dann aber trotzdem "mehr" pflegen, du weisst doch, admins sind faul ;) [15:14] fai: 3 lange committed revision 5530 to 7 fai: add and fix bug numbers [15:53] pjustice (~pjustice@yagi.h-net.msu.edu) left irc: Read error: Operation timed out [15:56] pjustice (~pjustice@yagi.h-net.msu.edu) joined #fai. [16:01] pjustice (~pjustice@yagi.h-net.msu.edu) left irc: Read error: Operation timed out [16:01] ebbie (~username@berlin046.server4free.de) left irc: Ping timeout: 480 seconds [16:04] why is 506459 minor+wontfix? [16:09] pjustice (~pjustice@yagi.h-net.msu.edu) joined #fai. [16:16] h01ger: well you can easily include gitcore in your nfsroot by adding it to /etc/fai/NFSROOT [16:16] h01ger: and i guess people getting their configspace via git are a rather small minority [16:19] Action: h01ger thinks gitcore is way more useful than cvs [16:19] i could live with cvs being removed from the default nfsroot :) [16:30] good idea. Let's see who is using which tool..... [16:31] grep ...... q-answers.html (the fai questionnaire) | wc [16:31] no revision control system for config space: 42 [16:32] Mrfai: well i keep my config space in svn, nevertheless i provide it to install clients via nfs [16:33] RCS: 2, CVS: 7, git: 2, svn 23 [16:33] Mrfai, just today i was wondering how a company achieved iso9001 certification without using revision control systems. i assume they print their code on numbered paper for archival or such. that is clearly iso9001 compatible :-) [16:34] mgoetze: in your fai questionnaire you would answer svn i guess, not nfs [16:34] Mrfai: right, but i don't need svn in the nfsroot :) [16:34] yep [16:35] anyway as far as i'm concerned they can all go - people should get used to putting some minimal amount of work into their /etc/fai/* [16:35] but IMO a usefull default would be to have svn inside the nfsroot, but not cvs, git, bzr,... [16:35] btw bzr: 1 [16:36] mgoetze, bah. fai should work out of the box, not with a minimal amount of work [16:36] h01ger: well, out of the box, it grabs the config space via nfs [16:37] so all you need is a comment in /etc/fai/fai.conf, telling people that if they change how they access the config space they also need to change /etc/fai/NFSROOT accordingly [16:38] h01ger: even a d-i installation takes minimal amount of work ;-) and does not work out of the box [16:39] mgoetze, think softupdate [16:40] right, if you're doing softupdates you already need to make sure you install the rev ctrl system you're using... [16:40] or do you propose adding git-core, cvs, subversion, bzr, darcs etc. to simple-examples? [16:40] i propose working-configspace instead of simple-examples [16:40] read the archives :-D [16:41] sorry, i'm a bit busy and annoyed with $work atm... but that idea is really very old [16:41] Action: oz_ agrees with holger [16:43] i'd like a working-configspace for rhel5. and soon, lucid :) [16:43] debian is too easy... [16:45] anyway, mein akku ist so gut wie leer, muss mir mal ein plaetzchen mit steckdose suchen ;) [16:53] ebbie (~username@berlin046.server4free.de) joined #fai. [17:08] pav5088 (Mark@ppp118-208-46-99.lns20.bne1.internode.on.net) left #fai (Leaving). [17:15] Mrfai (~lange@suenner.informatik.uni-koeln.de) left irc: Quit: leaving [18:24] simNIX (~simNIX@156-60.bbned.dsl.internl.net) joined #fai. [20:31] siggg (~jean@tra78-5-88-172-128-32.fbx.proxad.net) joined #fai. 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