| 00:14 puck | Found the problem with my boxes from yesterday. The output is being redirect, probably to the serial port. |
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| 11:49 Winkie | Mrfai: i got your email by the way, i haven't checked it out yet but i will do so in the next few days |
| 12:06 Mrfai | ok |
| 12:13 Winkie | oh wow i didn't realise it was a Perl script, how did I miss that! |
| 12:13 Winkie | I write Perl all the time, so shouldn't be a big issue to work with it |
| 12:23 mgoetze | has anyone tried to get console-setup doing anything but the default? i tried preseeding the debconf values on an ubuntu 8.04 installation, but they don't seem to take effect, despite showing up in debconf-show |
| 12:44 vsMS | hello. i have to setup a fai infrastructure for a proof of concept migrating a big number of linux desktops to a debian based distribution. It looks to mee that fai is extreme complex. Is it really so? |
| 12:45 mgoetze | well it depends what you want to do :) if you just copy the simple-examples without understanding how they work it will be quite easy |
| 12:45 mgoetze | but of course the more you want to customise the more you'll need to understand how it works |
| 12:45 mgoetze | still, i wouldn't call it extremely complex |
| 12:45 Winkie | yeah i would agree that it's not extremely complex, it is understandable quite quickly |
| 12:45 Winkie | and mgoetze i have also had issues with console-setup on ubuntu, i cannot remember whether i solved it |
| 12:47 vsMS | mogoetze: i yust can compare against kickstart and rhel based distributions. With anaconda I need a http repository, a kernel + initrd + dhcp/dns/tftp and a kickstart file and that's it. |
| 12:48 vsMS | i cannot see that fai supports http |
| 12:48 vsMS | only nfs ist this correct? |
| 12:48 mgoetze | well, the linux kernel doesn't support root filesystem over http ;) |
| 12:49 mgoetze | fai also supports booting from cd |
| 12:49 mgoetze | anyway, fai is more complex than kickstart, yes, but there are a lot of things you can't do with kickstart, whereas with fai you are completely flexible |
| 12:50 vsMS | ok. in our szenario we have thousand of desktops spread all over germany and we need a netboot mechanism |
| 12:50 vsMS | for example? |
| 12:50 mgoetze | arbitrary partitioning including lvm and software raid |
| 12:51 mgoetze | afaik kickstart is rather limited there |
| 12:52 mgoetze | and in fai, you can define as many classes as you like and combine them however you like - with kickstart you can only have one profile for a system, which reads in exactly one kickstart config file |
| 12:52 vsMS | no, i currently use a %pre script for dynamic lvm configuration and to keep the /home lv when reinstalling a machine for example |
| 12:52 vsMS | ok, sound's like cobbler ? |
| 12:52 vsMS | at least a bit like |
| 12:53 mgoetze | i haven't used cobbler, i thought it's mainly a tool for keeping your tftp/dhcp/dns stuff in sync and assigning one kickstart file to each client |
| 12:55 vsMS | yea, they do this as well but they also handel profiles, classes and so on for generating different kickstart files |
| 12:56 vsMS | i found this link http://faiwiki.informatik.uni-koeln.de/index.php/UbuntuJauntyInstallationHowTo to create a fai infra structure on ubuntu server for ubuntu desktops |
| 12:56 mgoetze | oh, you want to use ubuntu? |
| 12:56 vsMS | yes - maybe ;-) |
| 12:58 mgoetze | that's going to be a lot more work than debian :) fai is written for debian, and where ubuntu has silly divergences, you'll run into problems (of course as you see on that wiki you won't be entirely alone with the problems) |
| 12:59 vsMS | so does this mean that fai isn't ready for an enterprise environment based on ubuntu desktops? |
| 13:02 mgoetze | "ready" in that you can just use it out of the box without a lot of work - no |
| 13:02 mgoetze | but once you have it running it is certainly reliable |
| 13:03 vsMS | hm ok |
| 13:03 mgoetze | however, if you get it running for 9.04 and then ubuntu does another heap of silly changes you'll have to invest effort again for 9.10 ;) |
| 13:04 vsMS | but do i understand this correctly: you mean the fai server itself on ubuntu or installing ubuntu clients? |
| 13:04 mgoetze | both |
| 13:05 mgoetze | but the installation scripts for ubuntu clients are more of a problem |
| 13:05 vsMS | oh. can you point me to a website with further informations? |
| 13:06 mgoetze | well you've already found faiwiki :) otherwise you'll want to read the fai guide and look at the mailing list archives, see first link in /topic |
| 13:17 mgoetze | Winkie: https://lists.uni-koeln.de/pipermail/linux-fai/2009-June/007060.html has the solution for console-setup |
| 13:34 mgoetze | Mrfai: i just added some headings to sort howtos by age on http://faiwiki.informatik.uni-koeln.de/index.php/Howtos - i hope it will eventually be possible to see right away which information is sitll useful and which is out-of-date |
| 13:34 Mrfai | mgoetze: fine |
| 13:35 Mrfai | vsMS: there are FAI courses in germany (in the linuxhotel) or I can give you FAI courses in your company. |
| 13:39 vsMS | Mrfai: you are right. but in december :-( |
| 13:45 telmich | hello again |
| 13:45 mgoetze | gruessle |
| 13:45 telmich | I'm currently getting some errors with grub, when I try to use software raid: |
| 13:46 telmich | http://home.schottelius.org/~nico/unix/linux/fai/swraid-grub-error |
| 13:46 telmich | this results in the system starting, but it does not find md0 after the installation |
| 13:49 telmich | argh, it may also be that I'm missing mdadm doe to configuration changes |
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| 14:40 mgoetze | aaargh one of the debconf settings for console-setup includes a # character - which debconf-set-selections treats as the beginning of a comment |
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| 14:51 FBI | fai: 3 mt committed revision 5507 to 7 fai: Updated experimental patches to work with current trunk |
| 14:52 telmich | mgoetze: lol |
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| 14:58 Winkie | mgoetze: oh thanks for the link :) |
| 14:58 Winkie | mgoetze: aha this does look similar to mine |
| 14:59 mgoetze | i still haven't quite got it working. the console font etc. works now but the keyboard layout is still the default us |
| 15:00 Winkie | mgoetze: yeah i'm trying to switch to UK, i'll investigate more after i have eaten :) |
| 15:00 Winkie | what's the procedure with patching by the way, i'm guessing by the revision # that this is SVN or similar |
| 15:00 Winkie | so i should just submit patches to the mailing list / a bug? |
| 15:01 mgoetze | Winkie: i think the prefererred method is a bug in the debian BTS |
| 15:01 Winkie | mgoetze: sounds reasonable, i'm used to using 'git' :) |
| 15:01 mgoetze | the fai source code is maintained in subversion |
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| 16:22 mikap | Mrfai: #539980 - you should release a new version, several users are stumbling into this issue |
| 17:06 Mrfai | I was waiting for mt because he will include some setup-storage fixed into trunk. I hope to release in the first week of october |
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