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| 07:41 oz__ | moin |
| 07:48 mgoetze | moin |
| 07:58 oz__ | hm. what can it be that some file permissions are set correct after fai softupdate but incorrect after install? |
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| 08:04 mgoetze | how are you setting them? fcopy? |
| 08:04 oz__ | yes |
| 08:07 mgoetze | hm, i've never had a problem with that |
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| 08:14 Mrfai | I would do fcopy -vD and then a ls -l after the fcopy commancd. If the permissions are fine then, something else will change them afterwards |
| 08:17 oz__ | ah. |
| 08:17 oz__ | wrong is the install. |
| Action: oz__ adds a fix |
| 08:37 oz__ | *pow* |
| 08:37 oz__ | apache also. |
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| 09:07 Mrfai | oz__: was is the fault of fcopy? |
| 09:12 oz__ | no, just the install of slapd preferred to ignore a previously copied slapd.conf |
| 09:14 oz__ | Mrfai: fai softupdate runs perfect |
| 09:18 Mrfai | fine. I should also have a look at it :-) |
| 09:47 oz__ | *spannung* |
| 09:49 oz__ | worked. nice. |
| 09:49 oz__ | now fai-cd. |
| 10:51 kai_bo | anybody an idea whats wriong with: aptitude -R -y -o Dpkg::Options::="--force-confdef" -o Dpkg::Options::="--force-confold" install zabbix-server-pgsql zabbix-server-pgsql |
| 10:51 kai_bo | because apt still waits for input.... |
| 11:17 Winkie | right i'm still having hilarious problems |
| 11:18 Winkie | my FAI client is now complaining that there is no mount point for /var/lib/fai/config |
| 11:18 Winkie | since when was that a required mount? I am gradually getting more annoyed with the FAI situation with ubuntu |
| 11:19 mgoetze | Winkie: it's only a required mount if you are using the default fai.conf |
| 11:19 mgoetze | you can of course set whatever mountpoint you like |
| 11:19 Winkie | mgoetze: but since when was that not /srv/fai/config ? |
| 11:19 mgoetze | /srv/fai/config is on the server |
| 11:19 mgoetze | /var/lib/fai/config is client-side |
| 11:19 Winkie | mgoetze: so why is the client complaining that mount.nfs cannot mount /var/lib/fai/config ? |
| 11:20 mgoetze | because it's trying to mount server:/srv/fai/config at /var/lib/fai/config (assuming defaults) |
| 11:20 Winkie | they are defaults, but that export existed just fine >:( |
| 11:20 Winkie | i'm also getting silly startup errors like using the wrong path for 'wc' :( |
| 11:21 mgoetze | the export should be set up by fai-setup |
| 11:21 Winkie | yeah unfortunately i had to copy the files across but i recreated the export and the files are accessible as any user |
| 11:22 mgoetze | maybe you should tell us the *exact* error message before we speculate further... |
| 11:22 Winkie | mount.nfs cannot mount /var/lib/fai/config |
| 11:22 Winkie | essentially |
| 11:22 Winkie | i mean i can go copy it off the screen if you like but there is nothing else obvious |
| 11:22 Winkie | and nothing in the nfs logs or similar which would indicate it |
| 11:22 mgoetze | what does "showmount -e" on the server say? |
| 11:23 Winkie | aha, now that might be it |
| 11:23 Winkie | it shows the destination of symlinks, so i wonder if it's renaming the exports |
| 11:24 Winkie | i should have thought of that, i'll have a play aout mgoetze |
| 11:24 Winkie | thanks |
| 11:24 mgoetze | np |
| 11:24 Winkie | still the nfsroot works fine, but who knows what silly problems could occur |
| 11:24 Winkie | /srv/fai/config 192.168.101.0/255.255.255.0 |
| 11:25 Winkie | now that looks slightly better |
| 11:29 Winkie | yeah that still failed miserably |
| 11:29 Winkie | i've clearly broken something here as this should be essentially a default install |
| 11:30 Winkie | all i want is jaunty to be installed on machines, ideally from a debian host :( |
| 11:30 Winkie | is that really so much to ask :( |
| 11:30 Mrfai | kai_bo: maybe the package is broken. IIRC no package should ask for input without using debconf. |
| 11:36 kai_bo | Mrfai: I think outside of fai/scripts this line is working (at least when i tested it on a clean debian box) |
| 11:36 kai_bo | but I am just installing a fresh system to confirm if the problem just occurs when installing with fai or everytime |
| 11:37 Winkie | oh god the ubuntu jaunty howto on the wiki is filled with "paste these lines" sections |
| 11:37 Winkie | great now i have to go through and diff them to find out wtf is the difference >:( |
| 11:37 Winkie | i am having a truly terrible day |
| 11:38 stockholm | anyone ever used dosemu to run dos tools to autoconfigure the hardware? |
| 11:38 stockholm | is that even possible? |
| 11:38 mgoetze | stockholm: do you mean "autoconfigure the hardware" as in "do things which are only possible in real mode"? |
| 11:38 Mrfai | AFAIK some guys did that. |
| 11:38 Mrfai | let me check |
| 11:39 stockholm | mgoetze: change bios settings... |
| 11:39 kai_bo | Winkie just be happy that there is at least a howto for jaunty ;) |
| 11:39 stockholm | mgoetze: i dont know if real mode is required, but it will certainly be real mode in dos |
| 11:40 stockholm | Mrfai: would be cool, i appreciate it |
| 11:40 Mrfai | http://faiwiki.informatik.uni-koeln.de/index.php/DosBoot |
| 11:40 mgoetze | but then you likely don't have access to the real hardware? anyway i haven't used dosemu for ages, dosbox is much more comfortable for normal tasks (i.e. playing games) |
| 11:43 stockholm | Mrfai: that is not with dosemu, that is with real dos |
| 11:43 stockholm | freedos, but dos none the less |
| 11:44 Mrfai | that's what I remembered |
| 12:17 stockholm | Mrfai: can i restart the installation without reboot? |
| 12:17 stockholm | once it failed with e.g. setup-storage problems? |
| 12:23 Winkie | kai_bo: hah well i'm using their rough idea |
| 12:24 Winkie | my problem is that debian unstable is now 2.6.30, and really i just want .28, but whatever .30 will do |
| 12:44 Winkie | well that failed too |
| 12:44 Winkie | no aufs in 2.6.30 i think, might not have been in initrd for some reason |
| 12:44 Winkie | so that's the next step D: |
| 12:48 Winkie | in fact i can't even find anything like CONFIG_AUFS_FS in 2.6.26 |
| 12:49 Mrfai | stockholm: it's better to reboot. But you can cann task_partition, to just test this part. But maybe some variables are not defined (like disklist, classes), so this will only work after you have defined them. There you can use . /tmp/fai/variables.log |
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| 12:50 stockholm | i see |
| 12:55 Winkie | yeah i'm not understanding this in any way |
| 12:55 Winkie | how can FAI possibly work in lenny |
| 12:55 Winkie | if the default lenny kernel doesn't contain AUFS |
| 12:55 Winkie | or unionfs that i can tell |
| 12:59 stockholm | Winkie: they invented modules just for that |
| 13:02 Winkie | stockholm: modules require inclusion in the config and inclusion in the package |
| 13:02 Winkie | i see neither |
| 13:04 stockholm | Winkie: they are included in the initramdisk |
| 13:04 stockholm | not in the package |
| 13:04 Winkie | stockholm: how exactly does that work considering the initrd is generated after installation? |
| 13:04 Winkie | where does it grab the module from? |
| 13:04 stockholm | from the modules directory |
| 13:05 mgoetze | Winkie: the installed system does not need aufs |
| 13:05 mgoetze | Winkie: the installation system needs it |
| 13:06 Winkie | stockholm: wow we're just going in circles here aren't we, it's not in the package but it's in the modules directory provided by the package? |
| 13:06 Winkie | mgoetze: yeah i understand this, but fai-setup sets me up with a default debian linux image, but apparently it has aufs installed, which i cannot determine how |
| 13:07 mgoetze | Winkie: you might note that a default fai-server install has aufs-modules-something in /etc/fai/NFSROOT |
| 13:07 Winkie | i am having a very, very bad day |
| 13:07 Winkie | mgoetze: aha right, that is exactly what i was looking for |
| 13:07 Winkie | thank you again :) |
| 13:07 mgoetze | np |
| 13:09 Winkie | mgoetze: yeah that is in fact precisely what i needed, i just need to check now if the generated initrd contains it |
| 13:11 Mrfai | Winkie: just check if your install clients boots. |
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| 13:13 Winkie | unfortunately it's not that simple |
| 13:13 Winkie | aufs-modules requires packages that don't exist in debian yet |
| 13:13 Winkie | this is getting intolerably ridiculous |
| 13:14 Winkie | You have searched for packages that names contain linux-modules-2.6.30-bpo.1-486 in all suites, all sections, and all architectures. |
| 13:14 Winkie | Sorry, your search gave no results |
| 13:14 mgoetze | you mean ubuntu |
| 13:14 Winkie | no i mean debian :) |
| 13:14 Winkie | i'm trying the 'install ubuntu from a tarball' technique |
| 13:14 Winkie | because everything else failed miserably |
| 13:14 mgoetze | why are you using backports? |
| 13:15 Mrfai | Winkie: if you are using a Debian lenny install server, everything should work out-of-the-box |
| 13:15 Mrfai | First try only to boot the install client using the Debian nfsroot. IF this works, the rest is only exchanging the bvase.tgz file with a ubuntu one |
| 13:16 Winkie | mgoetze: because the hardware i have requires 2.6.28 minimum to boot |
| 13:16 Winkie | that is the crux of my problem |
| 13:16 Winkie | that 2.6.26 will not boot |
| 13:16 mgoetze | so maybe take the 2.6.29 packages from testing |
| 13:16 Winkie | the ubuntu packages are hilariously broken, requiring me to manually create scripts in usr/bin/udevinfo just to make the initrd even be generated |
| 13:16 Mrfai | Oh, i think you was the one with dam Dell hardware. |
| 13:16 Winkie | Mrfai: i am |
| 13:16 Winkie | mgoetze: the testing packages are 2.6.30, as far as i can tell |
| 13:17 Winkie | and the corresponding linux-modules packages do not exist |
| 13:17 Winkie | and therefore aufs-modules will refuse to install |
| 13:17 Winkie | i have no idea what sort of crazy fool would package only half of a kernel and update the mirrors with it |
| 13:17 Winkie | but i hate them |
| 13:18 mgoetze | hm actually it looks like testing still has 2.6.26, i thought it was newer for some reason |
| 13:18 Winkie | oh sorry yeah i meant sid, not squeeze |
| 13:19 Winkie | anyway i'm going to have to compile my own kernel, which will be hilarious cause i have no idea whether stuff like aufs-modules is automatically generated |
| 13:19 mgoetze | well, that's why sid is called unstable :) |
| 13:20 Winkie | i apologise for being terse today, but i have had a terrible day of things |
| 13:20 Winkie | and mgoetze jaunty comes with an entirely broken FAI install so that has mostly annoyed me |
| 13:20 mgoetze | well yes i have known that for a long time, fortunately i don't care at all :) |
| 13:21 Winkie | mgoetze: it is astounding to me that such a thing could ship |
| 13:21 Winkie | it just makes me fear for my ubuntu machines |
| 13:21 Mrfai | I can see auf modules for 2.6.29 and 2.6.30 in the debian repository |
| 13:22 Winkie | Mrfai: yes, there are, but they depend upon 'linux-modules-2.6.30' or similar |
| 13:22 Winkie | which does not exist |
| 13:22 mgoetze | Package: aufs-modules-2.6-686 (2:2.6.30-1) |
| 13:22 mgoetze | depends: linux-latest-modules-2.6.30-1-686 |
| 13:22 mgoetze | virtual package provided by linux-image-2.6-686, linux-image-686 |
| 13:23 mgoetze | http://packages.debian.org/sid/aufs-modules-2.6-686 |
| 13:23 Winkie | hmm interesting |
| 13:23 Winkie | if it's a virtual package it sure wasn't provided by the backport package i downloaded |
| 13:23 mgoetze | i recommend learning how to use http://packages.debian.org |
| 13:23 Winkie | heeey :( |
| 13:23 mgoetze | ;) |
| 13:24 Winkie | seriously it looks like the usage of 'linux-latest-modules' is wildly inconsistent |
| 13:25 mgoetze | anyway afaics you can just download http://packages.debian.org/sid/aufs-modules-2.6.30-1-686 and http://packages.debian.org/sid/linux-image-2.6.30-1-686 |
| 13:26 Winkie | mgoetze: i'll give it a go, it can't hurt to try |
| 13:26 Winkie | i just had some goddamn idiot nattering in my ear too |
| 13:26 Winkie | "why can't we just make a calendar for everyone to share on their website?" |
| 13:26 mgoetze | i don't see that it has any dependencies which can't be fulfilled in lenny |
| 13:27 Winkie | mgoetze: yeah it does look fine |
| 13:27 Winkie | i'm sorry if i've been stressed out, i can get mean :( |
| 13:28 Winkie | just jesus christ i wish people had a filter between their brain and their mouth |
| 13:28 Winkie | but they have no shame :( |
| 13:28 Winkie | mgoetze: right ok they do seem to have installed just fine, no idea how to tell if aufs has been included though |
| 13:29 mgoetze | cpio? |
| 13:29 Winkie | mgoetze: haha oh dear |
| 13:29 Winkie | i think i'll just boot the machine :p |
| 13:29 Winkie | see what happens :D |
| 13:29 mgoetze | that might be easier :P |
| 13:35 Winkie | hah well boot failed, but because the hostname of my server can't be found |
| 13:35 Winkie | i wonder where it's picking that up from though :o |
| 13:35 mgoetze | dhcp? |
| 13:36 Winkie | nope, i think it's part of fai-setup |
| 13:36 Winkie | no problem i can figure this sort of stuff out i hope |
| 13:36 Winkie | i have to figure out why the hell i can't reconfigure 'locales' either |
| 13:37 Winkie | aha i can on htis debian install |
| 13:37 Winkie | debian wins as usual |
| 13:38 oz__ | Winkie: the hostname is set by DHCP |
| 13:41 oz__ | extept you did drill up your fai |
| 13:41 Winkie | oz__: yeah it's almost working |
| 13:41 Winkie | except the server hosting the nfs kernel server just crapped itself |
| 13:41 Winkie | Message from syslogd@appserver3 at Wed Jul 22 14:39:30 2009 ... |
| 13:41 Winkie | appserver3 kernel: [5675203.772004] [<c0121695>] default_wake_function+0x0/0x8 |
| 13:41 Winkie | Message from syslogd@appserver3 at Wed Jul 22 14:39:30 2009 ... |
| 13:41 Winkie | appserver3 kernel: [5675203.772004] [<f9190696>] nfsd+0xd6/0x268 [nfsd] |
| 13:41 Winkie | Message from syslogd@appserver3 at Wed Jul 22 14:39:30 2009 ... |
| 13:41 Winkie | appserver3 kernel: [5675203.772004] [<f91905c0>] nfsd+0x0/0x268 [nfsd] |
| 13:41 Winkie | :D |
| 13:42 Winkie | man i have every problem under the sun |
| 13:42 Winkie | still the booting seems fine thanks to mgoetze and Mrfai |
| 13:43 stockholm | oz__: "drill up"? |
| 13:43 mgoetze | i guess he used google translate :) |
| 13:46 Winkie | yeah i think he meant to 'hack up' |
| 13:46 Winkie | which is very true, i have hacked this up |
| 13:47 oz__ | c'mon be creative |
| 13:47 oz__ | language wise |
| 13:47 oz__ | I said that to real englishmen and they knew what I meant |
| 13:47 Winkie | i have flombulated my noodlestrounger |
| 13:47 Winkie | i am a real englishman |
| 13:47 Winkie | and i figured it out :) |
| 13:47 Winkie | 10 points to me |
| 13:47 Winkie | anyway, i'm at the stage where it seems to boot with aufs and attempt to mount the config |
| 13:48 Winkie | so as it's clearly not very happy about unfsd and i don't think you can mount it with sshfs right now |
| 13:48 Winkie | i will stick it on its own machine i guess |
| 13:48 Mrfai | Winkie: It would be nice if you could write a short summary about the Dell 2.6.30 problem and post it to the linux-fai mailing list, or create a web page on faiwiki. I think other will also have this issue with Dell hardware |
| 13:49 mgoetze | only some weird dell hardware... blade enclosure or something, wasn't it? |
| 13:49 telmich_ | dell is just a pain in ... |
| 13:50 Winkie | mgoetze: no i'm afraid it is a desktop machine |
| 13:50 Winkie | an Optiplex 320 to be specific |
| 13:50 Winkie | and really my problems have been caused by more than my hardware |
| 13:50 Winkie | Mrfai: i will make note of that, but now i must have something to eat |
| 13:50 Winkie | before i explode in rage :D |
| 13:50 mgoetze | oh, desktop machines... right :) |
| 13:51 Winkie | disgusting filthy things |
| 13:51 Winkie | anyway another thankyou to Mrfai and mgoetze |
| 13:52 Winkie | i am not a patient man, especially today, and i am satisfied enough now |
| 14:23 FBI | fai: 3 lange committed revision 5475 to 7 fai: tests/Faitest.pm: new file including subroutines for tests. Thanks to |
| 14:23 FBI | fai: Sebastian Hetze for the initial version. |
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| 21:12 adrian15b | hi |
| 21:12 adrian15b | Do you know what's the Thomas Lange nick name on irc? |
| 21:13 adrian15b | I am in Debconf and I was just wondering if he was himself too. |
| 21:30 mgoetze | adrian15b: he is MrFai and indeed he is currently in spain |
| 21:32 adrian15b | mgoetze: Thank you very much. Now let's hope that he is online. |
| 21:32 Mrfai | sure I'm online |
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| 23:19 adrian15b | We are going to do some work on FAI on Karmic Koala tomorrow with Mrfai. |
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