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[07:41] <oz__> moin
[07:48] <mgoetze> moin
[07:58] <oz__> hm. what can it be that some file permissions are set correct after fai softupdate but incorrect after install?
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[08:04] <mgoetze> how are you setting them? fcopy?
[08:04] <oz__> yes
[08:07] <mgoetze> hm, i've never had a problem with that
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[08:14] <Mrfai> I would do fcopy -vD and then a ls -l after the fcopy commancd. If the permissions are fine then, something else will change them afterwards
[08:17] <oz__> ah.
[08:17] <oz__> wrong is the install.
[08:27] Action: oz__ adds a fix
[08:37] <oz__> *pow*
[08:37] <oz__> apache also.
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[09:07] <Mrfai> oz__: was is the fault of fcopy?
[09:12] <oz__> no, just the install of slapd preferred to ignore a previously copied slapd.conf
[09:14] <oz__> Mrfai: fai softupdate runs perfect
[09:18] <Mrfai> fine. I should also have a look at it :-)
[09:47] <oz__> *spannung*
[09:49] <oz__> worked. nice.
[09:49] <oz__> now fai-cd.
[10:51] <kai_bo> anybody an idea whats wriong with: aptitude -R -y -o Dpkg::Options::="--force-confdef" -o Dpkg::Options::="--force-confold" install zabbix-server-pgsql zabbix-server-pgsql
[10:51] <kai_bo> because apt still waits for input....
[11:17] <Winkie> right i'm still having hilarious problems
[11:18] <Winkie> my FAI client is now complaining that there is no mount point for /var/lib/fai/config
[11:18] <Winkie> since when was that a required mount? I am gradually getting more annoyed with the FAI situation with ubuntu
[11:19] <mgoetze> Winkie: it's only a required mount if you are using the default fai.conf
[11:19] <mgoetze> you can of course set whatever mountpoint you like
[11:19] <Winkie> mgoetze: but since when was that not /srv/fai/config ?
[11:19] <mgoetze> /srv/fai/config is on the server
[11:19] <mgoetze> /var/lib/fai/config is client-side
[11:19] <Winkie> mgoetze: so why is the client complaining that mount.nfs cannot mount /var/lib/fai/config ?
[11:20] <mgoetze> because it's trying to mount server:/srv/fai/config at /var/lib/fai/config (assuming defaults)
[11:20] <Winkie> they are defaults, but that export existed just fine >:(
[11:20] <Winkie> i'm also getting silly startup errors like using the wrong path for 'wc' :(
[11:21] <mgoetze> the export should be set up by fai-setup
[11:21] <Winkie> yeah unfortunately i had to copy the files across but i recreated the export and the files are accessible as any user
[11:22] <mgoetze> maybe you should tell us the *exact* error message before we speculate further...
[11:22] <Winkie> mount.nfs cannot mount /var/lib/fai/config
[11:22] <Winkie> essentially
[11:22] <Winkie> i mean i can go copy it off the screen if you like but there is nothing else obvious
[11:22] <Winkie> and nothing in the nfs logs or similar which would indicate it
[11:22] <mgoetze> what does "showmount -e" on the server say?
[11:23] <Winkie> aha, now that might be it
[11:23] <Winkie> it shows the destination of symlinks, so i wonder if it's renaming the exports
[11:24] <Winkie> i should have thought of that, i'll have a play aout mgoetze 
[11:24] <Winkie> thanks
[11:24] <mgoetze> np
[11:24] <Winkie> still the nfsroot works fine, but who knows what silly problems could occur
[11:24] <Winkie> /srv/fai/config                          192.168.101.0/255.255.255.0
[11:25] <Winkie> now that looks slightly better
[11:29] <Winkie> yeah that still failed miserably
[11:29] <Winkie> i've clearly broken something here as this should be essentially a default install
[11:30] <Winkie> all i want is jaunty to be installed on machines, ideally from a debian host :(
[11:30] <Winkie> is that really so much to ask :(
[11:30] <Mrfai> kai_bo: maybe the package is broken. IIRC no package should ask for input without using debconf.
[11:36] <kai_bo> Mrfai: I think outside of fai/scripts this line is working (at least when i tested it on a clean debian box) 
[11:36] <kai_bo> but I am just installing a fresh system to confirm if the problem just occurs when installing with fai or everytime
[11:37] <Winkie> oh god the ubuntu jaunty howto on the wiki is filled with "paste these lines" sections
[11:37] <Winkie> great now i have to go through and diff them to find out wtf is the difference >:(
[11:37] <Winkie> i am having a truly terrible day
[11:38] <stockholm> anyone ever used dosemu to run dos tools to autoconfigure the hardware?
[11:38] <stockholm> is that even possible?
[11:38] <mgoetze> stockholm: do you mean "autoconfigure the hardware" as in "do things which are only possible in real mode"?
[11:38] <Mrfai> AFAIK some guys did that.
[11:38] <Mrfai> let me check
[11:39] <stockholm> mgoetze: change bios settings...
[11:39] <kai_bo> Winkie just be happy that there is at least a howto for jaunty ;)
[11:39] <stockholm> mgoetze: i dont know if real mode is required, but it will certainly be real mode in dos
[11:40] <stockholm> Mrfai: would be cool, i appreciate it
[11:40] <Mrfai> http://faiwiki.informatik.uni-koeln.de/index.php/DosBoot
[11:40] <mgoetze> but then you likely don't have access to the real hardware? anyway i haven't used dosemu for ages, dosbox is much more comfortable for normal tasks (i.e. playing games)
[11:43] <stockholm> Mrfai: that is not with dosemu, that is with real dos
[11:43] <stockholm> freedos, but dos none the less
[11:44] <Mrfai> that's what I remembered
[12:17] <stockholm> Mrfai: can i restart the installation without reboot?
[12:17] <stockholm> once it failed with e.g. setup-storage problems?
[12:23] <Winkie> kai_bo: hah well i'm using their rough idea
[12:24] <Winkie> my problem is that debian unstable is now 2.6.30, and really i just want .28, but whatever .30 will do
[12:44] <Winkie> well that failed too
[12:44] <Winkie> no aufs in 2.6.30 i think, might not have been in initrd for some reason
[12:44] <Winkie> so that's the next step D:
[12:48] <Winkie> in fact i can't even find anything like CONFIG_AUFS_FS in 2.6.26
[12:49] <Mrfai> stockholm: it's better to reboot. But you can cann task_partition, to just test this part. But maybe some variables are not defined (like disklist, classes), so this will only work after you have defined them. There you can use . /tmp/fai/variables.log
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[12:50] <stockholm> i see
[12:55] <Winkie> yeah i'm not understanding this in any way
[12:55] <Winkie> how can FAI possibly work in lenny
[12:55] <Winkie> if the default lenny kernel doesn't contain AUFS
[12:55] <Winkie> or unionfs that i can tell
[12:59] <stockholm> Winkie: they invented modules just for that
[13:02] <Winkie> stockholm: modules require inclusion in the config and inclusion in the package
[13:02] <Winkie> i see neither
[13:04] <stockholm> Winkie: they are included in the initramdisk
[13:04] <stockholm> not in the package
[13:04] <Winkie> stockholm: how exactly does that work considering the initrd is generated after installation?
[13:04] <Winkie> where does it grab the module from?
[13:04] <stockholm> from the modules directory
[13:05] <mgoetze> Winkie: the installed system does not need aufs
[13:05] <mgoetze> Winkie: the installation system needs it
[13:06] <Winkie> stockholm: wow we're just going in circles here aren't we, it's not in the package but it's in the modules directory provided by the package? 
[13:06] <Winkie> mgoetze: yeah i understand this, but fai-setup sets me up with a default debian linux image, but apparently it has aufs installed, which i cannot determine how
[13:07] <mgoetze> Winkie: you might note that a default fai-server install has aufs-modules-something in /etc/fai/NFSROOT
[13:07] <Winkie> i am having a very, very bad day
[13:07] <Winkie> mgoetze: aha right, that is exactly what i was looking for
[13:07] <Winkie> thank you again :)
[13:07] <mgoetze> np
[13:09] <Winkie> mgoetze: yeah that is in fact precisely what i needed, i just need to check now if the generated initrd contains it
[13:11] <Mrfai> Winkie: just check if your install clients boots.
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[13:13] <Winkie> unfortunately it's not that simple
[13:13] <Winkie> aufs-modules requires packages that don't exist in debian yet
[13:13] <Winkie> this is getting intolerably ridiculous
[13:14] <Winkie> You have searched for packages that names contain linux-modules-2.6.30-bpo.1-486 in all suites, all sections, and all architectures.
[13:14] <Winkie> Sorry, your search gave no results
[13:14] <mgoetze> you mean ubuntu
[13:14] <Winkie> no i mean debian :)
[13:14] <Winkie> i'm trying the 'install ubuntu from a tarball' technique
[13:14] <Winkie> because everything else failed miserably
[13:14] <mgoetze> why are you using backports?
[13:15] <Mrfai> Winkie: if you are using a Debian lenny install server, everything should work out-of-the-box
[13:15] <Mrfai> First try only to boot the install client using the Debian nfsroot. IF this works, the rest is only exchanging the bvase.tgz file with a ubuntu one
[13:16] <Winkie> mgoetze: because the hardware i have requires 2.6.28 minimum to boot
[13:16] <Winkie> that is the crux of my problem
[13:16] <Winkie> that 2.6.26 will not boot
[13:16] <mgoetze> so maybe take the 2.6.29 packages from testing
[13:16] <Winkie> the ubuntu packages are hilariously broken, requiring me to manually create scripts in usr/bin/udevinfo just to make the initrd even be generated
[13:16] <Mrfai> Oh, i think you was the one with dam Dell hardware.
[13:16] <Winkie> Mrfai: i am
[13:16] <Winkie> mgoetze: the testing packages are 2.6.30, as far as i can tell
[13:17] <Winkie> and the corresponding linux-modules packages do not exist
[13:17] <Winkie> and therefore aufs-modules will refuse to install
[13:17] <Winkie> i have no idea what sort of crazy fool would package only half of a kernel and update the mirrors with it
[13:17] <Winkie> but i hate them
[13:18] <mgoetze> hm actually it looks like testing still has 2.6.26, i thought it was newer for some reason
[13:18] <Winkie> oh sorry yeah i meant sid, not squeeze
[13:19] <Winkie> anyway i'm going to have to compile my own kernel, which will be hilarious cause i have no idea whether stuff like aufs-modules is automatically generated
[13:19] <mgoetze> well, that's why sid is called unstable :)
[13:20] <Winkie> i apologise for being terse today, but i have had a terrible day of things
[13:20] <Winkie> and mgoetze jaunty comes with an entirely broken FAI install so that has mostly annoyed me
[13:20] <mgoetze> well yes i have known that for a long time, fortunately i don't care at all :)
[13:21] <Winkie> mgoetze: it is astounding to me that such a thing could ship
[13:21] <Winkie> it just makes me fear for my ubuntu machines
[13:21] <Mrfai> I can see auf modules for 2.6.29 and 2.6.30 in the debian repository
[13:22] <Winkie> Mrfai: yes, there are, but they depend upon 'linux-modules-2.6.30' or similar
[13:22] <Winkie> which does not exist
[13:22] <mgoetze> Package: aufs-modules-2.6-686 (2:2.6.30-1)
[13:22] <mgoetze> depends: linux-latest-modules-2.6.30-1-686 
[13:22] <mgoetze> virtual package provided by linux-image-2.6-686, linux-image-686
[13:23] <mgoetze> http://packages.debian.org/sid/aufs-modules-2.6-686
[13:23] <Winkie> hmm interesting
[13:23] <Winkie> if it's a virtual package it sure wasn't provided by the backport package i downloaded
[13:23] <mgoetze> i recommend learning how to use http://packages.debian.org
[13:23] <Winkie> heeey :(
[13:23] <mgoetze> ;)
[13:24] <Winkie> seriously it looks like the usage of 'linux-latest-modules' is wildly inconsistent
[13:25] <mgoetze> anyway afaics you can just download http://packages.debian.org/sid/aufs-modules-2.6.30-1-686 and http://packages.debian.org/sid/linux-image-2.6.30-1-686
[13:26] <Winkie> mgoetze: i'll give it a go, it can't hurt to try
[13:26] <Winkie> i just had some goddamn idiot nattering in my ear too
[13:26] <Winkie> "why can't we just make a calendar for everyone to share on their website?"
[13:26] <mgoetze> i don't see that it has any dependencies which can't be fulfilled in lenny
[13:27] <Winkie> mgoetze: yeah it does look fine
[13:27] <Winkie> i'm sorry if i've been stressed out, i can get mean :(
[13:28] <Winkie> just jesus christ i wish people had a filter between their brain and their mouth
[13:28] <Winkie> but they have no shame :(
[13:28] <Winkie> mgoetze: right ok they do seem to have installed just fine, no idea how to tell if aufs has been included though
[13:29] <mgoetze> cpio?
[13:29] <Winkie> mgoetze: haha oh dear
[13:29] <Winkie> i think i'll just boot the machine :p
[13:29] <Winkie> see what happens :D
[13:29] <mgoetze> that might be easier :P
[13:35] <Winkie> hah well boot failed, but because the hostname of my server can't be found
[13:35] <Winkie> i wonder where it's picking that up from though :o
[13:35] <mgoetze> dhcp?
[13:36] <Winkie> nope, i think it's part of fai-setup
[13:36] <Winkie> no problem i can figure this sort of stuff out i hope
[13:36] <Winkie> i have to figure out why the hell i can't reconfigure 'locales' either
[13:37] <Winkie> aha i can on htis debian install
[13:37] <Winkie> debian wins as usual
[13:38] <oz__> Winkie: the hostname is set by DHCP
[13:41] <oz__> extept you did drill up your fai
[13:41] <Winkie> oz__: yeah it's almost working
[13:41] <Winkie> except the server hosting the nfs kernel server just crapped itself
[13:41] <Winkie> Message from syslogd@appserver3 at Wed Jul 22 14:39:30 2009 ...
[13:41] <Winkie> appserver3 kernel: [5675203.772004]  [<c0121695>] default_wake_function+0x0/0x8
[13:41] <Winkie> Message from syslogd@appserver3 at Wed Jul 22 14:39:30 2009 ...
[13:41] <Winkie> appserver3 kernel: [5675203.772004]  [<f9190696>] nfsd+0xd6/0x268 [nfsd]
[13:41] <Winkie> Message from syslogd@appserver3 at Wed Jul 22 14:39:30 2009 ...
[13:41] <Winkie> appserver3 kernel: [5675203.772004]  [<f91905c0>] nfsd+0x0/0x268 [nfsd]
[13:41] <Winkie> :D
[13:42] <Winkie> man i have every problem under the sun
[13:42] <Winkie> still the booting seems fine thanks to mgoetze and Mrfai 
[13:43] <stockholm> oz__: "drill up"?
[13:43] <mgoetze> i guess he used google translate :)
[13:46] <Winkie> yeah i think he meant to 'hack up'
[13:46] <Winkie> which is very true, i have hacked this up
[13:47] <oz__> c'mon be creative
[13:47] <oz__> language wise
[13:47] <oz__> I said that to real englishmen and they knew what I meant
[13:47] <Winkie> i have flombulated my noodlestrounger
[13:47] <Winkie> i am a real englishman
[13:47] <Winkie> and i figured it out :)
[13:47] <Winkie> 10 points to me
[13:47] <Winkie> anyway, i'm at the stage where it seems to boot with aufs and attempt to mount the config
[13:48] <Winkie> so as it's clearly not very happy about unfsd and i don't think you can mount it with sshfs right now
[13:48] <Winkie> i will stick it on its own machine i guess
[13:48] <Mrfai> Winkie: It would be nice if you could write a short summary about the Dell 2.6.30 problem and post it to the linux-fai mailing list, or create a web page on faiwiki. I think other will also have this issue with Dell hardware
[13:49] <mgoetze> only some weird dell hardware... blade enclosure or something, wasn't it?
[13:49] <telmich_> dell is just a pain in ...
[13:50] <Winkie> mgoetze: no i'm afraid it is a desktop machine
[13:50] <Winkie> an Optiplex 320 to be specific
[13:50] <Winkie> and really my problems have been caused by more than my hardware
[13:50] <Winkie> Mrfai: i will make note of that, but now i must have something to eat
[13:50] <Winkie> before i explode in rage :D
[13:50] <mgoetze> oh, desktop machines... right :)
[13:51] <Winkie> disgusting filthy things
[13:51] <Winkie> anyway another thankyou to Mrfai and mgoetze 
[13:52] <Winkie> i am not a patient man, especially today, and i am satisfied enough now
[14:23] <FBI> fai: 3 lange committed revision 5475 to 7 fai:  tests/Faitest.pm: new file including subroutines for tests. Thanks to
[14:23] <FBI> fai: Sebastian Hetze for the initial version.
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[21:12] <adrian15b> hi
[21:12] <adrian15b> Do you know what's the Thomas Lange nick name on irc?
[21:13] <adrian15b> I am in Debconf and I was just wondering if he was himself too.
[21:30] <mgoetze> adrian15b: he is MrFai and indeed he is currently in spain
[21:32] <adrian15b> mgoetze: Thank you very much. Now let's hope that he is online.
[21:32] <Mrfai> sure I'm online
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[23:19] <adrian15b> We are going to do some work on FAI on Karmic Koala tomorrow with Mrfai.
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