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| 07:22 kai_bo | moin zusammen! |
| 07:43 oz_ | moin |
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| 07:50 hrist | tach |
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| 13:57 mclark | Hi all. I'm wondering if anyone can help me. I'm using fai 3.1.8 on debian etch. I have an amd64 fai nfsroot set up which works perfectly, but my i386 arch running on the same amd64 fai server doesn't work. After PXE boot, I see 'killall: no such command' in get-boot-info, then errors about portmap not running on localhost, then it's not able to see my ha |
| 13:58 mclark | ...hard drive. |
| 14:03 oz_ | mclark: it works good with amd64 clients, but don't work for i386 clients? |
| 14:07 mclark | works perfectly for amd64 clients, yes |
| 14:09 mclark | And it's just this installation which is failing. We have several others with amd64 fai server and i386 fai clients. We're only doing softupdate on those, and not installing the kernel, but those work great. |
| 14:10 oz_ | did you create and amd64 and an i386 nfsroot? |
| 14:11 mclark | yes. I followed the instructions at http://faiwiki.informatik.uni-koeln.de/index.php/FAI_Cross-architecture |
| 14:12 mclark | I've rebuilt the i386 using fai-setup -C /etc/fai-i386, and the only oddity I see is that it seems to try to pull in amd64 source packages and fails - I have not been able to figure out why |
| 14:12 oz_ | I'd guess you have amd64 sources in the nfsroot...? |
| 14:14 oz_ | I'd guess you have amd64 sources in the i386 nfsroot...? |
| 14:14 mclark | I'm confused there. If I've specified i386 arch in FAI_DEBOOSTRAP_OPTS, and Architecture "i386" in apt_arch.conf, how would I be getting amd64 sources into the i386 nfsroot? |
| 14:16 mclark | I'll pastebin the output from fai-setup in a sec. Rerunning with -v |
| 14:17 mclark | Here's the fai-setup output: http://www.mibbit.com/pb/oaxhHk |
| 14:25 mclark | thanks for looking at it. I'll keep digging - I'd appreciate any tips you come up with. |
| 14:26 oz_ | WARNING: These unknown packages are removed from the installation list: bootpc console-common console-tools cvs dhcp3-client dialog discover dnsutils dosfstools dump expect fai-nfsroot grub hdparm hwinfo iproute jove less lftp lilo lshw lvm2 mdadm mdetect module-init-tools ntpdate parted pciutils portmap psmisc rdate reiserfsprogs rsh-client rsync smartmontools ssh startup-tasks subversion system-services sysutils udev upstart upstart-compat-sysv upstart-logd u |
| 14:27 oz_ | your sources list is definitely not okay |
| 14:27 oz_ | try to chroot in the nfsroot and check |
| 14:27 oz_ | you can also edit it |
| 14:27 mclark | ok. I've verified that the i386 packages are in fact in the pool in my reprepro, but I haven't checked the Packages file for the i386 dist. Maybe there's something wrong in there. |
| 14:28 mclark | thx |
| 14:32 mclark | I don't get it. sources.list in the chroot looks fine. I copied that sources.list, went to another 32 bit system, replaced its sources.list with the one from the chroot, ran apt-get update, and apt-get install bootpc (the first package in the list above). It correctly installed the i386 version with no trouble. |
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| 14:54 Kalessin1 | hello |
| 14:54 Kalessin1 | I have a little question about fai |
| 14:55 Kalessin1 | Can I use different machines for tftp/dhcp server and fai server ? |
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| 14:58 mclark | I'm not an expert, but I have my dhcp on one, and tftp/fai on another. Since the dhcp points to the tftp server I don't see why tftp couldn't be on the same box as dhcp as well. |
| 15:02 Kalessin | Because of fai-chboot related stuff ? I just have read fai-guide. |
| 15:03 mclark | fai-chboot will automate the process if they're all on the same box, but you can also write your own script to do it. |
| 15:06 Kalessin | Well, you just made me realize that I can use server-name on my dhcpd server to point to the right tftp server, I think it will be more simple :) |
| 15:06 Kalessin | thanks |
| 15:07 mclark | that's exactly what we do here. good luck :) |
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| 15:12 mgoetze | Kalessin: you can even use 3 different machines for the process :) but indeed i would recommend tftpd and nfs server on the same box |
| 15:15 mclark | question: I'm working on finding what I think might be a bug in fai-3.1.8. Is it worth reporting a bug with a bugfix if I find it on that version, or is it unsupported now? |
| 15:24 mgoetze | mclark: hm, is there a particular reason you don't want to use a newer version of fai? |
| 15:26 mclark | Stuck back on etch, and I haven't worked on getting a backported version. |
| 15:27 mgoetze | mclark: don't suppose you've ever looked at the fai homepage (first link in topic of this channel)? |
| 15:28 mgoetze | you might find it's not all that much work ;) |
| 15:29 mclark | yep, I've spent plenty of time in there and in the guide... did I miss something? I think the current version in etch is 3.1.8, right? |
| 15:29 mclark | ahh, I see. I did miss something. |
| 15:30 mclark | We're pulling all of our packages from the main debian repositories, and I think it's 3.1.8 in there. |
| 15:30 mgoetze | yeah, that's the version in etch. i still use it in one environment, too |
| 15:33 mclark | still a valid question though - do we are about bug fixes for 3.1.8? I'm finding on my amd64 server when I do an fai-setup -C /etc/fai-i386, using the guide given on the FAI_Cross-architecture page on the wiki, that the AptPkg::Config module still shows APT::Architecture "amd64", even though my apt_arch.conf specificies the i386 architecture. |
| 15:33 mclark | don't know the exact reason yet - but see, I do spend some time researching the problem before I ask :) |
| 15:34 mgoetze | that's good :) anyway, i can't really answer your question - you'll have to ask MrFai when he comes back from debconf |
| 15:34 mgoetze | (of course, you could also submit a bug, maybe he'll look at it while he's there) |
| 15:35 mclark | k, thanks for the help anyway... |
| 15:37 mgoetze | in any case i'm quite optimistic you won't find such bugs in 3.2.20, as it even supports 64-bit installations from a 32-bit server |
| 15:41 mclark | very cool... |
| 15:57 mclark | fwiw, I've been using FAI for a while now, and this is the first thing that even looks like a bug. very nice system. We're a managed service provider. I have an fai server which provisions fai servers whichi get deployed into customer environments, and then those are each managing groups of 100+ nodes using fai softupdate. |
| 15:57 mclark | It's been a lifesaver in managing the distribution of software uniformly to all of these nodes. |
| 15:57 mgoetze | that's great. if MrFai were here he would ask whether you'd filled out the questionnaire yet ;) |
| 15:58 mclark | I'll do so today |
| 15:58 mgoetze | i'm still working on getting all my colleagues to love softupdates |
| 16:00 mclark | Oh, they work great. We build an embedded system, and they get bootstrapped in the factory without FAI. With softupdate we plug them in, and due to one bootstrap script that always gets called the FAI kicks off and we have working systems within about 15 minutes. |
| Action: telmich wants to give a try using fai with ubuntu in the next weeks |
| 16:02 mgoetze | yup, i'm using them for one environment where i am mainly responsible, and it's great - never have to worry about getting a broken server replaced etc. |
| 16:44 mclark | yep, install_packages doesn't pass along the environment, so APT_CONFIG never gets set for the AptPkg::Config object... bummer |
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| 19:11 EvilDennisR | telmich: what version of ubuntu |
| 19:12 EvilDennisR | telmich: I got 18 some odd HP blades running 8.04 here that got installed with fai |
| 19:13 EvilDennisR | telmich: custom install of course.. "ubuntu server" is shite in my opinion |
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| 20:03 mgoetze | EvilDennisR: noone likes ubuntu server except you, and i think all the people talking about ubuntu problems here are trying to install 9.04 |
| 20:04 EvilDennisR | mgoetze: I _don't_ like ubuntu server |
| 20:04 EvilDennisR | mgoetze: That is, ubuntu server, that you download from their website |
| 20:05 EvilDennisR | mgoetze: As far as building your own custom server with fai, its the same as debian |
| 20:05 EvilDennisR | and the 9.04 bug has to deal with the kernel not finding some modules file in /proc/ I believe |
| 20:05 EvilDennisR | it blows up when you try and make the bootstrap |
| 20:05 mgoetze | except that debian releases when it's ready and ubuntu releases when the deadline comes, and i know which packages i'd rather have on my servers |
| 20:06 EvilDennisR | mgoetze: I agree. We're using the LTS release of ubuntu, which has less problems like that |
| 20:08 EvilDennisR | mgoetze: we ended up using ubuntu because debian was taking so f'ing long to release lenny |
| 20:08 EvilDennisR | and "they" like the idea of the long term support release |
| 20:09 EvilDennisR | not that we have support with them, just that it would be supported for a while |
| 20:09 EvilDennisR | normal ubuntu releases have like a 18 month life |
| 20:09 EvilDennisR | 16 months maybe? I forget.. |
| 20:14 mgoetze | can't say people at my workplace were dying of suspense waiting for lenny... i'm afraid we still have a few sarge systems... |
| 20:14 EvilDennisR | when I got hired over a year ago they were running suse 9 |
| 20:14 EvilDennisR | *shudder* |
| 20:40 EvilDennisR | http://img.4chan.org/b/src/1246480635421.jpg |
| 20:40 EvilDennisR | Thirteen! |
| 20:40 EvilDennisR | SFW |
| 20:40 EvilDennisR | she has cloths on |
| 20:43 mgoetze | a few, anyway |
| 21:07 EvilDennisR | erm, that was supposed to go to #guifications |
| 21:07 EvilDennisR | ewpz =) |
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| 22:25 telmich | EvilDennisR: why that? |
| Action: telmich is considering ubuntu, because they have more up-to-date packages |
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