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09:54 oz_	moin
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10:55 telmich	guten morgen
10:56 oz_	guten tag :)
Action: telmich schaut gerade nach der konfiguration vom sw-raid mit setup-storage -- man muss zunächst die partitionen auch erzeugen, was im beispiel auf http://www.informatik.uni-koeln.de/fai/doc/man/setup-storage.html nicht steht, oder?
11:11 stockhol1	moin!
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11:22 telmich	narf
11:23 telmich	raid0 mit setup-storage schlägt hier fehl
11:23 telmich	mdmadm sagt --spare-devices 0 ist nicht kompatibel mit raid level 0
11:23 telmich	"mdmadm: spare-devices setting is incompatible with read level 0"
11:26 telmich	argh, das ist bekannt: http://www.mail-archive.com/debian-bugs-dist@lists.debian.org/msg593675.html
11:26 Mrfai	AFAIK geht sparse und missing nicht mit raid0
11:26 Mrfai	probiers mal ohne
11:26 telmich	ja, ohne geht es
11:27 telmich	setup-storage macht halt aus "raid0    /local         disk1.3,disk2.3   xfs    rw"
11:27 telmich	dann nachher --spare-devices 0
11:40 \sh	mahlzeit
11:41 telmich	huch, laut http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=508192 sollte es den bug nicht mehr geben
11:41 telmich	ahh, im nfsroot ist 3.2.17~lenny1
11:46 oz_	what is the difference in perl between '$name = split(/:/)' and '($name) = split(/:/)'?
11:48 edoreld	#perl
11:48 telmich	not a perl guru - but from general coding: there should be none
11:49 Mrfai	scalar and array context. For futher info ask your perl books
11:49 oz_	thx, was just enuff info already :)
11:51 telmich	hmm, wenn volume groups vorhanden sind, schlägt die installation immer noch fehl
11:53 telmich	Unexpected vgdisplay output: (und dann die vg infos)
11:53 telmich	was ist dort der sauber weg, die vgs zu ignorieren?
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12:55 \sh	woosaaahhh...ubuntu chroot and packages are installed now...now the kernel is giving me a headache...(grub + kernel + fstab somehow)
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13:35 telmich	Mrfai: was ist das normale verhalten von fai, wenn es VGs findet?
13:36 telmich	beim setup-storage; sollte es dann einen fehler bringen? imho sollte es die ausgabe einfach ignorieren
13:43 Mrfai	telmich: ich bin kein lvm experte. Da musst du mal auf der ml suche, IIRc war das da schon mal ein Thema.
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14:17 \sh	Mrfai: moins...just a simple answer, in what way is install_packages selecting the way of installing the packages...I have some problems during kernel installation and having no grub before that ;)
14:18 mgoetze	the way of installing? you mean whether to use apt-get or aptitude?
14:18 \sh	no..in what order...
14:19 Mrfai	the order of classes should definie the order of packages.
14:19 \sh	I have an package_config/UBUNTU_904 file...and in there I have "PACKAGES install AMD64\nlinux-image-server\n\nPACKAGES install GRUB" etc.
14:20 \sh	ok..then I have the bugger
14:20 Mrfai	mmmmm. I'm not sure how install_packages handles this excatly.
14:21 \sh	problem right now, AMD64 is set first, and for that, it installs the kernel package...but kernel package starts to complain about grub missing
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14:22 Mrfai	I never had this problem with AMD64 and grub
14:23 mgoetze	hm
14:23 mgoetze	@commands = qw/y2i y2r yast rpmr urpmi urpme yumgroup yumi yumr smarti smartr hold taskrm ta
14:23 mgoetze	skinst clean-internal aptitude aptitude-r install unpack remove dselect-upgrade/;
14:23 Mrfai	but it should install linux-image-server and grub in the same run. Check MAXPACKAGES, maybe it was set to 1
14:23 mgoetze	so things supposed to be installed with aptitude come before things supposed to be installed with apt-get apparently
14:24 \sh	mgoetze: I'm using "install" means "apt-get" only imho
14:24 Mrfai	yep
14:24 mgoetze	yes my theory is if you install grub with aptitude it will get install first ;)
14:24 \sh	s/imho/really/
14:24 \sh	http://paste.ubuntu.com/190825/
14:26 Mrfai	\sh: show us your fai.log and shell.log
14:27 \sh	http://paste.ubuntu.com/190826/ <- shell.log
14:28 \sh	http://paste.ubuntu.com/190829/ <- fai.log
14:33 Mrfai	IMO it looks good.
14:33 hrist	except for /usr/sbin/grub-install: line 374: [: =: unary operator expected
14:33 hrist	in shell.log
14:33 Mrfai	this is a known bug. Just ignore it
14:34 hrist	I found your bugreports :)
14:34 hrist	well, we fiddled with that and after that our fai worked again, but this could also be related to some side-effects occured during the "fiddling"
14:42 \sh	well..grub is installed..but the menu.lst not it seems.
14:42 oz_	\sh: keren is installed?
14:42 oz_	kernel, even
14:42 \sh	oz_: yepp
14:44 oz_	shell.log, does it comment on that?
14:45 \sh	just redoing an install try...give me 1 min ;)
14:46 Mrfai	Sure, menu.lst ist created. Have a look at: Updating /boot/grub/menu.lst ... done
14:47 \sh	but after the reboot...grub doesn't show anything ... no kernel to boot...but it's under /target/boot
14:48 \sh	ah but menu.lst is not generated correctly
14:48 Mrfai	maybe the mbr is missing
14:48 \sh	no mbr is there...menu.lst is not created correctly
14:48 \sh	the kernel entries are missing
14:49 oz_	\sh: try to run update-grub manually directly after installation
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14:49 \sh	oz_: just trying..and no it's not done correctly
14:49 nik0la_	hello
14:49 Mrfai	add a cat $target/boot/grub/menu.lst to 10-setup and 50-misc, to see if the menu.lst is fine there.
14:51 oz_	\sh: thought so...what's the error there?
14:51 \sh	oz_: no error at all :)
14:51 \sh	anyways..checking
14:52 nik0la_	i'have some trouble with my FAi config, i'm trying to complete fai-setup but i have some error and i dont uderstand where is my problem. http://pastebin.com/d6b2e36b1
14:53 nik0la_	if someone can help/explain me
14:53 Mrfai	do never use -r with fai-setup or make-fai-nfsroot.
14:54 Mrfai	read man make-fai-nfsroot
14:54 nik0la_	ok, but before i try to do without -r but i had the same issue
Action: Mrfai thinks he should remove the -r option ASAP
14:59 nik0la_	ok rtfm :(
14:59 nik0la_	thanks so much for your help
15:02 Mrfai	you're welcome
15:03 nik0la_	^^
15:15 edoreld	I'm reading all about fai-multi-distribution since I'd like to install Ubuntu from my fai-server, but a) I can't find the package and b) All I read is you need to have installed old versions of fai....I'm using 3.2.17..
15:17 edoreld	Just found some classes for Ubuntu...but for version 5.04 and 5.10..meh
15:17 \sh	edoreld: I'm working on jaunty
15:17 \sh	edoreld: trying to install jaunty via fai on lenny
15:18 edoreld	working as in you're stuck or as in making progress :)?
15:18 oz_	\sh:always progress
15:19 \sh	edoreld: just the last kernel install bits and then it should be ready
15:19 oz_	:)
15:19 \sh	means...kernel is installed, menu.lst is still not updated
15:20 edoreld	\sh: how long u been working on it?
15:20 \sh	and even running it under chroot /target doesn't help
15:20 \sh	edoreld: hmm...actually 2days
15:20 \sh	2 company working days
15:20 \sh	today is the 3rd :)
15:20 edoreld	ok so calculating...that will take me about 2.....3 weeks to do myself ^_^
15:21 \sh	edoreld: just give me a few more...and I (PROMISED THOMAS!) write a doc..(i need to write the doc anyways ;))
15:21 \sh	s/few/few {hours,days}/ ;)
Action: edoreld is missing a reverence emoticon to throw at \sh
15:23 oz_	\sh if you run it in chroot, do you get no error message?
15:23 edoreld	if you do so please let s/us/me/ know :)
15:23 \sh	oz_: as said...no there is no error message :)
Action: oz_ vaguely remembers to have seen this before
15:25 oz_	\sh: even no complaints about device.map?
15:25 \sh	grub-probe: error: Cannot open `/boot/grub/device.map'
15:25 \sh	/target/usr/sbin/grub-install: line 490: [: =: unary operator expected
15:26 \sh	fix it and re-run the script `grub-install'.
15:26 \sh	(hd0)   /dev/cciss/c0d0
15:26 \sh	Searching for GRUB installation directory ... found: /boot/grub
15:26 \sh	Searching for default file ... found: /boot/grub/default
15:26 \sh	Testing for an existing GRUB menu.lst file ... found: /boot/grub/menu.lst
15:26 \sh	Searching for splash image ... none found, skipping ...
15:26 \sh	but no kernel lines inside menu.lst
15:26 oz_	/target/usr/sbin/grub-install: line 490 says what?
15:27 \sh	# On XFS, sync() is not enough.
15:27 \sh	if [ `grub-probe -t fs ${grubdir}` = "xfs" ] ; then xfs_freeze -f ${grubdir} && xfs_freeze -u ${grubdir} # We don't have set -e.  If xfs_freeze failed, it's worth trying anyway, # maybe we're lucky.
15:27 \sh	fi
15:28 \sh	diff between debian==/bin/sh ==> /bin/bash and ubuntu == /bin/sh ==> /bin/dash
15:28 oz_	gold:~# wc -l /usr/sbin/grub-install
15:28 oz_	436 /usr/sbin/grub-install
15:28 Mrfai	fau is only using /bin/bash
15:28 Mrfai	s/fau/fai/
15:29 \sh	oz_: correct
15:29 \sh	so what is bugging here
15:29 oz_	\sh try to debianize you ubuntu
15:29 \sh	sorry...I just looked at update-grub
15:29 \sh	not grub-install
15:30 oz_	?
15:31 \sh	oz_: the wc -l on grub-install is the same as on debian ... I looked at the line 490 in update-grub
15:32 \sh	the fun part...menu.lst  has the correct groot device in it...so it replaced something
15:33 oz_	how many line does your grub-install have?
15:33 oz_	and what's in line 490?
15:34 \sh	583 and in line 490: # On XFS, sync() is not enough.
15:34 \sh	if [ `grub-probe -t fs ${grubdir}` = "xfs" ] ; then
Action: oz_ never saw much sense in dash
15:36 oz_	can anyone tell me why ubuntu did this?
15:37 \sh	because debian will go this way, too?
15:37 \sh	dash is smaller and faster then bash and more POSIX compliant...something like this ...
15:37 oz_	because dash is smaller?
15:37 oz_	*hrmpf* at least, it was working...
15:37 \sh	don't ask...I didn't understand this transition, too
15:38 oz_	so, how to fix if [ `grub-probe -t fs ${grubdir}` = "xfs" ] ; then
Action: oz_ must grab coffee
15:38 \sh	https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DashAsBinSh
15:38 \sh	oz_: I'm calling grub-install now via $ROOTCMD and exchanged $target with / inside postinst...LHAL
15:39 oz_	okay. at least I now see the sense.
15:39 oz_	LHAL?
15:39 \sh	lets have a look
15:40 oz_	ok :)
15:44 oz_	\sh: maybe $rootcmd /bin/bah /usr/sbin/grub-install ? 8-)
15:53 \sh	oz_: trying...busy right now with something different aka 42 rules
16:48 edoreld	I have read extensively the documentation on ftar, and also I have tried different approachs to it. However, I cannot seem to make it work.
16:48 edoreld	If I have a "example.tar.gz". Where should I put it (Do I need to make a directory named "example.tar.gz" with MYCLASSNAME inside it?). Do I need to fcopy the tar file and then use ftar? And how should the ftar command be used? ftar <path_to_tar_file> ?
16:49 \sh	#!/bin/bash
16:49 \sh	fs=$FAI_ROOT/etc/fstab
16:49 \sh	UBUNTU_BASE="/var/lib/fai/config/basefiles/UBUNTU_JAUNTY.tgz"
16:49 \sh	gzip -dc ${UBUNTU_BASE} | tar -C $FAI_ROOT -xpf -
16:49 \sh	[ -f $fs ] && mv $fs $fs.old
16:49 \sh	cp -ap $LOGDIR/fstab $fs
16:50 \sh	skiptask extrbase
16:50 \sh	skiptask prepareapt
16:50 \sh	skiptask updatebase
16:50 \sh	args.
16:50 \sh	sorry.
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17:22 \sh	edoreld: sorry..I wanted to pastebin it...but this is the snippet of my extrbase.<FAI_CLASS> for untarring jaunty chroot
17:23 edoreld	No need to worry, (As long as you can explain to me how to use ftar of course :D)
17:23 edoreld	just joking, u don't need to ^_^
17:24 \sh	hehe
17:43 edoreld	Can anyone illuminate me on the use on ftar (I have read the man page several times already and can't figure it out...)
17:43 edoreld	Tried a directory called test with my tar file in it called MYCLASS, but it gave me an error (exited with code 1) on fai-client install
17:44 edoreld	$FAICONFIG/files/home/tarfile/MYCLASS
17:44 edoreld	where MYCLASS is the tar file, but it didn't work, so I'm guessing it doesn't work as fcopy does O_o
17:47 \sh	edoreld: what about /srv/fai/config/files/<CLASS>.tar.gz ; then in your script ftar -s /files -t /target
17:48 \sh	edoreld: what about /srv/fai/config/files/<CLASS>.tar.gz ; then in your script ftar -s /files -t /target / <-- the missing slash is important;)
17:48 \sh	just a shot
17:49 edoreld	isn't -s files & -t target already set up by default to those values?
17:50 edoreld	and I didn't get it, do I need or not the slash :/ ?
17:50 Mrfai	-s and -t is not needed. FAI does already set these
17:52 edoreld	so "ftar /" would suffice?
17:52 edoreld	my boss is hurrying me up to leave (he has to close), I only have 1 minute to obtain this vital piece of information!
17:52 edoreld	:)
17:57 edoreld	ahrg no time!
17:57 edoreld	will see 2morrow :/
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18:08 \sh	damn...
18:08 \sh	this update-grub doesn't work
18:09 oz_	\sh: does it run with bash?
18:10 \sh	oz_: nope...same result
18:11 \sh	root@host:/# /usr/sbin/grub-install --no-floppy --root-directory= /dev/cciss/c0d0
18:11 \sh	Could not find device for /boot: Not found or not a block device.
18:12 \sh	but this looks totally wrong
18:13 oz_	\sh: how did you switch to bash?
18:13 \sh	bash -l
18:13 \sh	I'm in chroot /target now
18:13 \sh	update-grub is #!/bin/bash btw...as I see now
18:14 \sh	but grub-install fcks me now...
18:14 oz_	\sh: maybe you should change /bin/sh in grub-install or change the /bin/sb symlink on the install host?
18:14 \sh	oz_: changed /bin/sh now to /bin/bash same error for grub-install
18:15 oz_	hm.
Action: oz_ is trying to remember...
18:16 \sh	http://www.eyrie.org/~eagle/journal/2008-06/004.html could be one solution
18:18 \sh	argl
18:18 Mrfai	thaht's why I prefer Debian
18:18 oz_	<sapperlot>There is one other fairly serious Ubuntu design misfeature that is only tangentially related but that cost me a lot of time. Ubuntu has modified update-grub to make it use ucf, which breaks the traditional update-grub semantics in extremely strange and confusing ways that took hours for me to diagnose.</sapperlot>
18:19 \sh	argl
18:19 \sh	that's it
18:19 oz_	Mrfai: that's why serios ppl prefer Debian.
Action: mgoetze is very serious ;)
18:20 oz_	mgoetze: so, you prefer debian? :)
18:20 \sh	oz_: if you have devs with special wishes, you can run SID and going into the valley of poopoo...or use Ubuntu and workaround those issues
18:20 mgoetze	i'm so serious i've never installed ubuntu anywhere
18:21 mgoetze	\sh: special wishes as in new software versions?
18:21 \sh	mgoetze: correct.
18:21 mgoetze	\sh: backports.org, or backport them yourself
18:22 \sh	mgoetze: nope...I need some LTS stuff with support of C. ... that's was the only "yes, you can use a debian alike distro...but it needs to have commercial support"
18:23 mgoetze	i don't know about canonical, but based on my work experience with RHEL... community support is better than commercial support
18:23 \sh	mgoetze: I was working for RHAT...so this is a no go :=
18:23 mgoetze	heh
18:25 \sh	the same goes for SuSE Enterprise...I installed that in my past...working for combots and installing sles9 via FAI...a shame ;)
18:26 mgoetze	the advantage of SuSE enterprise vs. regular SuSE: they don't have new releases so often, so you don't have to learn a new way to update your system so often...
18:27 \sh	mgoetze: you mean: update via CD/DVD and Yast? ,->
18:27 mgoetze	i mean rug, zypper, whatever...
18:28 mgoetze	YaST and SuSEconfig are so horrible i don't want to talk about them ;)
18:28 \sh	hehe
18:29 \sh	I'm wondering if there is a way to trick update-grub+ucf somehow
18:39 Mrfai	maybe #239674 #226708 in launchpad will help
18:47 \sh	Mrfai: I think I have as well another problem ... /var/run/grub/menu.lst.ucf-dist
18:47 \sh	looks wrong to me
18:50 Mrfai	http://www.eyrie.org/~eagle/journal/2008-06/004.html tells somethings about ucf --purge
18:54 \sh	yess...but it looks like that ucf is not dpkg --configured properly...because of the ucf-dist extention
18:55 \sh	ah dump all that cra
18:55 \sh	p
18:55 \sh	I'll write a new postinst for menu.lst and do my own thing...
18:56 \sh	dump that too...I#ll put the whole logic inside scripts/GRUB/10-setup
18:58 Mrfai	then you should divert update-grub, so that no programm can all it
18:58 Mrfai	or make it a noop
19:00 \sh	Mrfai: during ACTION=install the disk_var.sh is exported globally, right? so I can use BOOT_DEVICE and BOOT_PARTITION without any force
19:01 \sh	it's only during softupdate when I need to source $target/var/log/fai/disk_var.sh
19:03 Mrfai	yep. IN fai all variables are exported autom.
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