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| 08:44 edoreld | I have this file >> "/srv/fai/config/files/home/shared/logon/MYCLASSNAME". The directory "shared" is created when the client is being installed. I have a script that executes "fcopy /home/shared/logon". According to my knowledge, this should create a file called "logon" with the information of MYCLASSNAME on the client path "/home/shared". However, it actually creates the file MYCLASSNAME inside "/home/shared/logon/". How could this be? |
| Action: oz_ is stunned but has little time |
| 08:45 edoreld | Damn ^_^ |
| 08:45 oz_ | recheck. should work as you expect. |
| 08:45 edoreld | ok I'll take an intense look :) |
| 08:47 edoreld | heh, I just figured out why |
| 08:47 edoreld | For some reason I'm creating a directory named "logon" before I execute the fcopy thing... ^_^ |
| 08:47 edoreld | head come back! |
| Action: oz_ raises an eyebrow and smiles. :) |
| 09:06 verwilst | if i want to include some extra files inside the nfsroot |
| 09:06 verwilst | how do i do that? |
| 09:06 verwilst | ( without manually copying stuffs into the nfsroot after make-fai-nfsroot |
| 09:07 verwilst | or is there no other way? |
| 09:07 oz_ | verwilst: for what? |
| 09:07 verwilst | oz_: well, i need some files there that are used by some scripts |
| 09:09 oz_ | verwilst: you should use /srv/fai/config for this. |
| 09:10 verwilst | oz_: i am for the scripts :) |
| 09:10 verwilst | but i want to place an ssh private key in the nfsroot so my script can ssh to another machine during the process |
| 09:11 verwilst | copying manually works, but that doesnt really make it reproducible :) |
| 09:11 verwilst | so i either echo the key into the nfsroot by the script itself |
| 09:11 verwilst | or i can place it somewhere |
| 09:11 oz_ | # directory of hooks to be sourced at the end of make-fai-nfsroot, |
| 09:11 oz_ | # i.e they have to be shell scripts. |
| 09:11 oz_ | #NFSROOT_HOOKS=/etc/fai/nfsroot-hooks/ |
| 09:11 oz_ | use this. |
| 09:14 verwilst | okido :) |
| 10:28 edoreld | wich program can I use to generate a MD5 or crypted file for the default root password for the fa-client? |
| 10:28 edoreld | fai-client? |
| 10:31 Mrfai | mkpasswd, which is part of the package whois |
| 10:32 edoreld | thanks :)! |
| 10:35 edoreld | weird though, I get a password of about 12 chars (being the original one longer than fai), and the fai encrypted password has lots more chars! |
| 10:36 mgoetze | edoreld: you really don't like manpages, do you? |
| 10:36 edoreld | how do you know :O! |
| 10:37 mgoetze | because you ask so many trivial questions... |
| 10:37 edoreld | heh, ur completely right :) |
| 10:37 edoreld | but this time |
| 10:38 edoreld | I read the manual |
| 10:38 edoreld | And I didn't see anything to help me in this matter |
| 10:38 edoreld | :/ |
| 10:38 mgoetze | 12:28 < edoreld> wich program can I use to generate a MD5 or crypted [...] |
| Nick change: glance_ -> glance |
| 10:38 mgoetze | "MD5 or crypted"... hm.... ;) |
| 10:39 edoreld | well..using crypt |
| 10:39 edoreld | just repeating what I saw in FAIBASE.var |
| Nick change: glance -> Guest380 |
| 10:39 edoreld | # root password for the new installed linux system; md5 and crypt are possible |
| 10:39 edoreld | # pw is "fai" |
| Nick change: Guest380 -> glance |
| 11:06 mgoetze | edoreld: and you didn't manage to associate "md5 or crypt" with anything in the mkpasswd manpage? |
| 11:07 edoreld | Well to be honest, I already made it work, my only doubt was that I expressed before, why "fai" encrypted takes lots of characters and "mypassword" encrypted takes less ^_^ |
| 11:08 mgoetze | edoreld: and you didn't manage to associate "md5 or crypt" with anything in the mkpasswd manpage? |
| 11:08 edoreld | aah like |
| 11:08 edoreld | if i use md5 is shorters / crypt is longer something like that? |
| 11:09 mgoetze | uhm, yeah, except it's the other way around of course |
| 11:09 edoreld | heh, just a ramdom guess ): |
| 11:09 edoreld | :) |
| 11:10 mgoetze | i do believe i recommended about 2 weeks ago that you buy a book about basic linux system administration... |
| 11:10 edoreld | I just read the section u wanted me to read, it's just that until now it hadn't ocurred to me the idea of those 2 methods generating length differentiated encryptions ^_^ |
| 11:10 edoreld | at least not so much of a difference ^_^ |
| 11:11 edoreld | I have several linux administration books, but at the moment I'm studying a programming language so I don't have much time to read those... T_T |
| 11:12 oz_ | edoreld: mgoetze's tip is good. |
| 11:12 oz_ | you're trying to run, but you shold learn how to walk first. |
| 11:13 edoreld | I know, I need to read one |
| 11:13 oz_ | .o0(That's a sentence I got as a comment by some professor myself during my 1st semester :-) ) |
| 11:13 edoreld | heh :) |
| 11:13 oz_ | edoreld: I can tell you a thing, If you promise to tell noone. |
| 11:13 edoreld | Well I was top of my class which doesn't speak very well for my professor :P |
| 11:14 edoreld | (but u have to see the other students...) |
| 11:14 edoreld | oh please oz, dare tell ^_^ |
| Action: oz_ never read an entire book about Linux |
| 11:14 oz_ | but many about UNIX ;) |
| 11:15 edoreld | aren't both very similar? |
| 11:15 mgoetze | i never read a book about either. but a lot of manpages... ;) |
| 11:15 edoreld | hehe |
| 11:16 oz_ | edoreld: depends. if you just know Linux, AIX will bite you. |
| 11:16 edoreld | well, to be honest I use a UNIX operating system :) |
| 11:16 oz_ | mgoetze: year, manpages and RFCs... |
| 11:16 edoreld | Linux at work though |
| 11:16 oz_ | edoreld: Linux is just "UNIX-like" ;) |
| 11:17 oz_ | .o0(VMS...) |
| 11:17 mgoetze | i consider linux a type of unix, just like aix, solaris, hpux, irix... |
| 11:17 edoreld | yeah...I noticed many manpages are similar but not the same |
| 11:17 edoreld | also many commands are shared :) |
| 11:17 mgoetze | after all, there are a lot of differences between solaris and irix as well |
| 11:18 edoreld | wouln't know about that :P |
| 11:18 edoreld | My area of expertise limits to Linux, UNIX and, contrary to my desires, windows |
| 11:18 edoreld | winblows* |
| 11:18 mgoetze | sorry edoreld, but you have no expertise whatsoever in linux |
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| 11:20 edoreld | hey, I can't put "Linux n00b" in my CV! |
| 11:20 edoreld | heh |
| 11:20 mgoetze | yes, but this is IRC, not your CV |
| 11:20 edoreld | Ok, but "area of n00bness" sounds too bad :/ |
| 11:21 oz_ | n00b sounds bad in general. |
| 11:21 edoreld | ok, 's/area of expertise/area of knowledge/' |
| 11:21 oz_ | http://get.a.clue.de :-> |
| 11:21 edoreld | says to turn off javascript |
| 11:21 edoreld | -.- |
| 11:21 oz_ | yea, get a clue.. ;) |
| 11:23 edoreld | nice page and competely true :) |
| 11:24 oz_ | very old a page |
| 11:24 oz_ | more than a decade |
| 11:24 edoreld | I love this one |
| 11:24 edoreld | Q: I have discovered a huge security hole in rm! |
| 11:24 edoreld | A: No, you have not. |
| 11:25 oz_ | yea, and this is the FAI #. |
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| 11:30 edoreld | meh :/ |
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| 11:34 oz_ | edoreld: don't feel offended, think of it as a helping hand |
| 11:34 oz_ | and, yes UNIX guys can rough && tough. :) |
| 11:35 edoreld | Not offended no worries ^_^ |
| 11:35 edoreld | They are right |
| 11:35 edoreld | und Ich muss Linux lernen :) |
| 11:37 oz_ | wir hier wollen Fai weiterentwickeln. |
| 11:38 Mrfai | und Leute bei FAI helfen |
| 11:39 edoreld | Ich weis es MrFai und das ist Fantastisch! :D |
| 11:40 edoreld | My boss just told me it would be good if we could have a fai installation for Ubuntu. Is it possible to install Ubuntu on a client from a Debian fai-server? |
| 11:41 oz_ | edoreld: yes. |
| 11:41 oz_ | but It would be really nice from you to do some little google search before asking here. |
| 11:42 edoreld | damn my wretched memory ... |
| 11:42 edoreld | ur right |
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| 11:43 \sh | mahlzeit |
| 11:43 mgoetze | jo |
| 11:45 \sh | guys...does the NWO setup-storage detect partitons > 2GiB now and create an EIT/GPT label automagically? The last thread on this topic was giving me a headache |
| 11:45 \sh | sorry |
| 11:45 \sh | 2TiB ;) |
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| 11:57 oz_ | \sh: no hw here to check it. |
| Action: oz_ sings "I can't get no....installation, even if I FAI, and I FAI" |
| 12:06 \sh | grmpf...hp server dl365...which means i need the firmware-bnx2 package inside the chroot? and for the initramfs it seems |
| 12:06 mgoetze | \sh: /etc/fai/NFSROOT |
| 12:09 \sh | mgoetze: thx :) |
| 12:10 mgoetze | \sh: are you doing 32-bit or 64-bit installations? |
| 12:10 \sh | mgoetze: 64bit :) |
| 12:10 \sh | mgoetze: actually I want to install ubuntu-server via debian lenny |
| 12:11 \sh | and I thought debian and hp works out of the box ;) |
| 12:11 \sh | which means...I need to find time to fix FAI on Ubuntu ... |
| 12:12 mgoetze | well on dell hardware, i've had success with 32-bit and telmich has failed with 64-bit (firmware-bnx2) |
| 12:14 \sh | hmm...dell doesn't have such nich blade enclosures like HP has...and dell doesn't have the bl495c ;) |
| 12:17 mgoetze | well i don't get to decide what kind of hardware we buy, i just have to make it work ;) |
| 12:18 telmich | mgoetze: btw, I got bnx2 working on ibm-x3550-m2 |
| 12:18 telmich | mgoetze: without any problems |
| 12:18 mgoetze | hm, interessant |
| 12:18 telmich | so either the 2.6.26-2 has problems with the supplied dell variant or something else was strange |
| 12:18 mgoetze | well, let's see what happens when i get an r710 to play with :) |
| 12:19 telmich | btw, I'm also getting some dl160 g6 in the next days |
| 12:19 telmich | sun x2270 works fine |
| 12:19 \sh | oh this initramfs...I'M doomed again...how can I tell initramfs to use for /scripts/live-premount and IPConfig the network interface it used to boot from PXE? |
| 12:19 telmich | intel s5520ur, too, although the hardware does not run stable |
| 12:23 oz_ | \sh: I know what you mean. I've fiddled around with live-initramfs, too |
| 12:24 oz_ | PITA. |
| 12:27 \sh | oz_: yeah...in former times the kernel just probed all available devices for connectivity...but initramfs that's not my area of knowledge |
| 12:32 \sh | oz_: how did you solve it? setting bootfrom in /etc/fai/live.conf to ethX? |
| 12:32 oz_ | something like this yes... |
| 12:33 oz_ | I think I made notes in my wiki/fai-wiki |
| 12:33 oz_ | this was October 2006, I think. |
| 12:34 \sh | multi-ethernet? |
| 12:35 \sh | http://faiwiki.informatik.uni-koeln.de/index.php/Multi-ethernet |
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| 13:04 \sh | that's not working and not optimal somehow... |
| 13:16 mgoetze | i've packaged the dell tool biosdevname, if it works on your hardware it might help to install that into the nfsroot? |
| 13:19 \sh | mgoetze: it's initramfs...it triggers the 75-net-rule bla and kernel finds the external NICs first, then the internal...but PXE booting from the external is a nogo in our setup...and having different initrds with different 70-net-persistent.rules doesn't help either...there needs to be another way... |
| 13:19 mgoetze | \sh: you want to boot from eth0, i assume? |
| 13:20 \sh | mgoetze: yes..but my eth0 is not the udev eth0 :) |
| 13:20 mgoetze | yes, biosdevname is a tool to tell udev how to name ethernet devices |
| 13:21 \sh | mgoetze: and it does this while it's on /scripts/live-premount? I wonder how you tell biosdevname the device when you don't know the mac actually |
| 13:22 mgoetze | i don't know how well it works in initrd... but it works with normal udev |
| 13:22 mgoetze | it examines some s3kr1t bios information |
| 13:23 mgoetze | http://www.mgoetze.net/tmp/biosdevname_0.2.4-5_i386.deb |
| 13:26 oz_ | hm. just a stupid question... |
| 13:26 oz_ | If work on scripts, how do I test them without performing a full install? |
| 13:29 mgoetze | softupdate? ;) |
| Action: oz_ bangs his head against the table |
| 13:30 oz_ | mgoetze: thx. :) |
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| 14:11 edoreld | I have been looking up in Google & the FAI wiki documentation about installing Ubuntu systems from a Debian fai-server. I was wondering, is it worth the effort, or is it much simpler to just install an Ubuntu fai-server (maybe on another partition in the same machine)? |
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| 14:16 oz_ | edoreld: iirc FAI is b0rken in recent ubunut versions |
| 14:16 oz_ | ubuntu, even. |
| 14:16 edoreld | damn |
| 14:16 edoreld | guess not |
| 14:16 oz_ | I'd go for vanilla debian. |
| Action: oz_ wonders if ubuntu is worth the effort |
| 14:18 oz_ | gnome desktop with vanilla Debian is also usable imho |
| 14:18 \sh | edoreld: fai + ubuntu has problems because ubuntu kernel has problems with this unionfs..that's why we don't have a working ubuntu fai version |
| 14:18 \sh | edoreld: but you can, for sure, install ubuntu via debian fai installation...that's what I'm setting up right now |
| 14:22 oz_ | \sh: I would love a step-by-step howto.... |
| 14:23 oz_ | (a running fai server as prerequisite, naturally) |
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| 14:29 Winkie | afternoon |
| 14:31 Winkie | can anyone confirm for me that it is in fact possible to do a FAI install of ubuntu jaunty using the ubuntu jaunty kernel? (or a 2.6.28 or similar version) |
| 14:32 Winkie | i have some machines (Dell Optiplex 320s) which absolutely refuse to boot on almost everything i've tried, excepting a jaunty kernel |
| 14:32 Winkie | but attempting to use the FAI packages on ubuntu to build a nfsroot and boot off that failed miserably |
| 14:32 Winkie | with ubuntu package problems and segfaults once i'd resolved those |
| 14:32 lazyb0y | Winkie: FAI is not well tested in Ubuntu |
| 14:33 Winkie | lazyb0y: indeed, it ships in ubuntu with hardy repositories enabled |
| 14:33 Winkie | which is worthless, they shouldn't even bother with the packages imho |
| 14:33 Winkie | but i'm more interested in if anyone has managed to install ubuntu using perhaps a debian host |
| 14:33 lazyb0y | that being said, you can quite well install ubuntu from a debian fai server |
| 14:33 lazyb0y | I'm doing that quite often |
| 14:33 Winkie | excellent, and how sure are you i can install jaunty with 2.6.28? :) |
| 14:34 mgoetze | Winkie: why don't you just use debian testing... it's probably more stable than ubuntu ;) |
| 14:34 lazyb0y | I did it just last week |
| 14:34 Winkie | double excellent |
| 14:34 Winkie | that means i can destroy this ubuntu virtual environment once and for all |
| 14:34 Winkie | it may be a nice desktop, but jesus it's a mess |
| 14:34 Winkie | mgoetze: it's for users machines, and dealing with 'iceweasel' etc is beginning to destroy my sanity |
| 14:35 Winkie | everything else is debian 8) |
| 14:35 lazyb0y | maybe some people have their reason why they chose a specific dirtibution? |
| 14:35 mgoetze | lazyb0y: yes, well, i was guessing the main reason is kernel >= 2.6.28 |
| 14:35 Winkie | mgoetze: that's one of them, i haven't tried a sid CD, but i don't want people whining at me asking me where stuff is |
| 14:36 Winkie | so i figure a cut down ubuntu works just fine |
| 14:36 lazyb0y | mgoetze: if that's the only reason you're right, debian might be more stable |
| 14:36 \sh | Winkie: I would really wonder why the debian kernel doesn't like the dell...but you can compile your own install kernel from jaunty kernel sources e.g. |
| 14:36 \sh | but it wouldn't help you... |
| 14:36 Winkie | \sh: i haven't tried the latest debian kernel, only lenny |
| 14:36 \sh | compile your own 2.6.28 kernel for debian so you don't run into your jaunty problem with broken unionfs |
| 14:36 \sh | (and that's the only problem why fai doesn't work so nice with ubuntu right now.) |
| 14:36 Winkie | \sh: well that is one of my issues, but i would very much prefer to have 'firefox', 'thunderbird', plus things like human etc |
| 14:37 Winkie | wait \sh do you mean why it doesn't work from inside ubuntu? because lazyb0y indicates it works just fine from a debian FAI server? |
| 14:37 \sh | Winkie: you need the install kernel only for starting fai on your client...you can still install ubuntu via debian fai..your problem is dell..and eventually the kernel :) |
| 14:38 \sh | Winkie: what lazyb0y said is: you can install ubuntu with a debian fai installation... |
| 14:38 \sh | Winkie: your problem: the debian installation kernel which is used to boot the installation kernel via fai, doesn't work... |
| 14:38 Winkie | \sh: ah i see what you're saying, i think |
| 14:39 \sh | Winkie: solution: build your own kernel package (2.6.28) use your kernel package as installation kernel (which is booted via tftpd after your pxe) and install ubuntu... |
| 14:39 Winkie | \sh: yeah that's what i understood you to be saying, and that is exactly my current plan |
| 14:39 Winkie | Destroying VE private area: /var/lib/vz/private/9039 |
| 14:39 Winkie | VE private area was destroyed |
| 14:39 Winkie | it feels so good to do that ^^^ |
| 14:39 Winkie | it's amazing how badly it was shipped in Ubuntu |
| 14:40 \sh | Winkie: the crashes you saw using the ubuntu kernel is a problem of one module...which is being used by fai ...but ubuntu kernel maintainers decided to not go the way like debian |
| 14:40 Winkie | even things like scripts failing fatally because they hadn't been updated |
| 14:40 Winkie | \sh: hmm it is? i saw no mention of a specific module, only a kernel null pointer, but you may know better than me |
| 14:40 \sh | Winkie: that's because the ubuntu-fai team has a) no time, and b) no reason to update FAI on ubuntu because it doesn't work on kernel level |
| 14:41 mgoetze | there is no ubuntu-fai team, afaik |
| 14:41 Winkie | \sh: then (imho) they shouldn't be shipping such incredibly broken packages |
| 14:41 Winkie | it's akin to packaging a windows ME autoinstaller with windows XP, you just wouldn't bother |
| 14:41 mgoetze | well, that's just the way ubuntu works. fork everything from debian and then never care about it again |
| 14:41 \sh | mgoetze: https://edge.launchpad.net/~fai |
| 14:41 \sh | mgoetze: https://launchpad.net/~fai |
| 14:41 Winkie | mgoetze: i try not to be cynical because i actually do like ubuntu as a desktop, they've done reasonably with it |
| 14:41 Winkie | but you're so right in this situation |
| 14:42 \sh | Winkie: TBH...we need it in ubuntu...and we will fix it when the kernel is being fixed...promised :) |
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| 14:42 Winkie | \sh: i will probably try and procrastinate for another hour so i don't have to do anything today, but i'll give it a go tomorrow and thank you and lazyb0y endlessly |
| 14:42 lazyb0y | mgoetze: there _is_ an ubuntu fai team |
| 14:42 \sh | mgoetze: don't tell this to siretart or me ;) |
| 14:42 Winkie | \sh: well frankly i don't see the point of 'ubuntu server' |
| 14:42 Winkie | but i guess it's "debian sid lite" |
| 14:42 lazyb0y | and the people who founded it some from plain fai users |
| 14:43 lazyb0y | it could basically be blamed on them, not ubuntu, to bring fai in and not care of it |
| 14:43 \sh | lazyb0y: fai was there since fai was in debian..it was synced...before the kernel module bug it was well maintained and updated for ubuntu ... |
| 14:47 \sh | sorry..not unionfs but aufs was the kernel bugger |
| 14:48 Winkie | by the way, i wonder if any of you would care to comment on cobbler (i believe that is the name of the package) |
| 14:48 Winkie | my friend is raving about it but i don't see what's so hot |
| 14:48 lazyb0y | being one of them, I can only say (repeatedly) that I have not enough time to work on it properly - and I even proposed to remove it |
| 14:48 Winkie | fai/cfengine is pretty awesome |
| 14:48 lazyb0y | the main argument against removing it is that the fai softupdates seem to work quite well - "only" network install seems to be quite broken |
| 14:48 Winkie | lazyb0y: it may be worth adding in some pretty strict warnings rather than just assuming the user knows that it's broken |
| 14:48 Winkie | because random nfsroot build failures and segfaults on boot do not make this too clear :p |
| 14:48 lazyb0y | Winkie: nobody assumes that the user knows it. it's just broken. maybe the fai-server packages should just be removed |
| 14:48 \sh | https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/fai/+bug/197006 |
| 14:48 \sh | https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/fai/+bug/197006 |
| 14:49 \sh | ok...I'll work on fai in karmic anyways this cycle... |
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| 14:50 lazyb0y | \sh: sure? I thought it was only synced later... I even thought I asked for this sync ages ago :) |
| 14:51 Winkie | lazyb0y: well by providing fai-server and similar packages, it is somewhat of an implicit endorsement of its functionality |
| 14:51 Winkie | all i'd ask is that it prints out a very strict warning on installation :) |
| 14:51 Winkie | i make no demands though |
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| 14:51 Winkie | i should really get into actually developing more for linux instead of writing tiny terrible Perl scripts |
| 14:51 Winkie | but if you need any terrible Perl scripts writing i'm your man |
| 14:51 lazyb0y | Winkie: yes, as I said, I already proposed to remove it. That's even simpler, and clearer than providing a broken package that says "Hey, I'm broken" when you install it :) |
| 14:52 Winkie | lazyb0y: well that works for me too, i just don't want to tell anyone their jobs :D |
| 14:52 lazyb0y | Winkie: FAI is not really much more than a tiny terrible Perl (and Bash) Script :) |
| 14:54 Winkie | lazyb0y: don't forget cfengine! |
| 14:54 lazyb0y | I thought of that, but that's actually not the FAI program. that are user's config scripts :) |
| 14:55 \sh | Winkie: cfengine has really nothing to do with FAI :) you can as well exchange it with puppet |
| 14:55 Winkie | i guess so, anyway i have few complaints about FAI :) |
| 14:55 Winkie | i think its name is a little drab, but i also think 'cobbler' is completely stupid |
| 14:55 Winkie | and 'systemimager' is taken, and crpa |
| 14:56 lazyb0y | ... and it doesn't have a logo :) |
| 14:56 lazyb0y | but that's being worked on... |
| 14:56 \sh | but it has a mascott ;) MrFAI ;) |
| 14:56 Winkie | :o |
| 14:56 Winkie | what about a motto? |
| 14:56 Winkie | FAI: Shoving Linux into your box since 2001 |
| 14:57 lazyb0y | the motto is "plan your installation and fai installs your plan" |
| 14:57 lazyb0y | shoving sound a bit, hmm, rude/dirty/... |
| 14:58 Winkie | ;) |
| 14:59 Winkie | i do really like FAI though, even with our old cobbled together scripts, once i have ubuntu working satisfactorily in a default configuration it will take me under a day to modify the various classes of machine |
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| 15:10 edoreld | \sh: sorry for the delay, I was on a meeting -.- I read you are doing an ubuntu installation from a fai server! |
| 15:10 edoreld | how's that working for u :)? |
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| 15:11 \sh | edoreld: right now...it doesn't fighting still with kernel, udev and passing IPOPTS to the kernel / ipconfig of udev |
| 15:12 edoreld | \sh sounds like way too complex for me to even consider it :P |
| 15:12 edoreld | at my level of exp...knowledge |
| 15:12 \sh | edoreld: it has nothing to do with FAI :) it's the hardware and *censored* initramfs+udev crap |
| 15:12 edoreld | ah..I see... |
| 15:13 edoreld | well good luck mate ^_^ |
| 15:13 edoreld | And if you find a gold mine, let the rest know ! |
| 15:13 edoreld | :D |
| 15:14 \sh | edoreld: oh well...I will get that thing fixed...I used to install SLES9 with FAI on debian .. so I'm not easy to kill |
| 15:15 edoreld | \sh: you sound like an expert ^_ ^ |
| 15:17 Winkie | 0: |
| 15:17 Winkie | whoops |
| 15:17 Winkie | lagged out :) |
| 15:17 Winkie | i was going to say that in 20 minutes i'll tell you how my attempt goes |
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| 15:28 \sh | grmpf |
| 15:28 \sh | the problem looks like is the live script of initramfs |
| 15:29 \sh | it really does not do what configure_networking in /usr/share/initramfs-tools/scripts/functions is doing |
| 15:36 \sh | Mrfai: something really wrong goes on with the initramfs live script startup after kernel boot on lenny...the "live" script doesn't look right |
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| 15:43 Winkie | lazyb0y: when you have a second, could you PM me with any information i should need to implement installing ubuntu from debian? I'm off home now but from what i've read it's not amazingly straightforward and I would appreciate some guidance |
| 15:44 \sh | ok...I'll have the fix..but it looks like FAI + multiple ethernet without the workaround mentioned on the wiki...needs an updated initramfs-tools |
| 15:47 \sh | funpart is the ipconfig ${DEVICE} | tee /netboot.... line in /usr/share/initramfs-tolls/scripts/live this prevents the "ip=..." options to catch |
| 15:50 lazyb0y | Winkie: check the wiki and come back asking when you don#t know further. I don't know what part of the info you are missing so I don#t know what to put into this PM :) |
| 15:51 \sh | Winkie: create an ubuntu debootstrap, tar it and install it, instead of base.tgz ;) |
| 15:52 Winkie | well what i'm confused about is that typically i thought you ran fai-setup, which in turn ran make-fai-nfsroot, which provides a running linux with which to install the target distribution from |
| 15:53 Winkie | but i thought it was installed with debootstrap, rathern than untarring 'base.tgz' |
| 15:53 Winkie | i am leaving in like 6 minutes though so i will check it out tomorrow :) |
| 15:53 \sh | Winkie: make-fai-nfsroot just creates the "installation nfsroot" which is used as "scripting environment" of FAI...the base.tgz actually is the same source, but different use |
| 15:54 \sh | so installing other distros then debian, it needs a different base.tgz which needs to be copied to <FAI_CONFIG_SPACE>/files/var/tmp/<CLASS>.tgz and you can untar it by yourself..that's how I did it with SLES9 |
| 15:54 Winkie | \sh: i see, i just need to be sure not to tar up /sys, /proc, /dev etc |
| 15:55 Winkie | seems reasonable enough |
| 15:56 \sh | Winkie: the directories you can tar too...but not the running content...but debootstrap doesn't give you any /dev /sys /proc contents actually...(with /dev I#m not sure..but /dev in the debootstrap doesn't count ;)) |
| 15:56 Winkie | \sh: good point, well i'll find out tomorrow i guess! |
| 15:57 Winkie | i have a fresh lenny virtual environment to test in |
| 15:57 Winkie | so it should be as simple as creating a debian nfsroot, and then doing a debootstrap from jaunty of a directory, and adding in any extra packages needed i guess, although i'm not sure how i'll handle some of the scripts we use to auto install packages |
| 15:57 Winkie | we'll have to see! |
| 15:57 Winkie | anyway i really must leave now |
| Action: \sh should be at home too...wife and baby are waiting |
| 17:06 \sh | ok...first installation of debian succeeded with bug fixing...now for the ubuntu part..which will be easier imho...;) |
| 17:06 \sh | cu tomorrow |
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