[00:03] simNIX (~simNIX@156-60.bbned.dsl.internl.net) left irc: Quit: Ik ga weg [07:53] Mrfai (~lange@suenner.informatik.uni-koeln.de) joined #fai. [08:19] edoreld (~Adium@p57A09AC1.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) joined #fai. [08:22] edoreld (~Adium@p57A09AC1.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) left irc: [08:23] edoreld (~Adium@p57A09AC1.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) joined #fai. [08:23] edoreld (Adium@p57A09AC1.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) left #fai. [08:31] edoreld (~Adium@p57A09AC1.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) joined #fai. [08:37] verwilst (~verwilst@router.begen1.office.netnoc.eu) joined #fai. [08:44] I have this file >> "/srv/fai/config/files/home/shared/logon/MYCLASSNAME". The directory "shared" is created when the client is being installed. I have a script that executes "fcopy /home/shared/logon". According to my knowledge, this should create a file called "logon" with the information of MYCLASSNAME on the client path "/home/shared". However, it actually creates the file MYCLASSNAME inside "/home/shared/logon/". How could this be? [08:45] Action: oz_ is stunned but has little time [08:45] Damn ^_^ [08:45] recheck. should work as you expect. [08:45] ok I'll take an intense look :) [08:47] heh, I just figured out why [08:47] For some reason I'm creating a directory named "logon" before I execute the fcopy thing... ^_^ [08:47] head come back! [08:48] Action: oz_ raises an eyebrow and smiles. :) [09:06] if i want to include some extra files inside the nfsroot [09:06] how do i do that? [09:06] ( without manually copying stuffs into the nfsroot after make-fai-nfsroot [09:07] or is there no other way? [09:07] verwilst: for what? [09:07] oz_: well, i need some files there that are used by some scripts [09:09] verwilst: you should use /srv/fai/config for this. [09:10] oz_: i am for the scripts :) [09:10] but i want to place an ssh private key in the nfsroot so my script can ssh to another machine during the process [09:11] copying manually works, but that doesnt really make it reproducible :) [09:11] so i either echo the key into the nfsroot by the script itself [09:11] or i can place it somewhere [09:11] # directory of hooks to be sourced at the end of make-fai-nfsroot, [09:11] # i.e they have to be shell scripts. [09:11] #NFSROOT_HOOKS=/etc/fai/nfsroot-hooks/ [09:11] use this. [09:14] okido :) [10:28] wich program can I use to generate a MD5 or crypted file for the default root password for the fa-client? [10:28] fai-client? [10:31] mkpasswd, which is part of the package whois [10:32] thanks :)! [10:35] weird though, I get a password of about 12 chars (being the original one longer than fai), and the fai encrypted password has lots more chars! [10:36] edoreld: you really don't like manpages, do you? [10:36] how do you know :O! [10:37] because you ask so many trivial questions... [10:37] heh, ur completely right :) [10:37] but this time [10:38] I read the manual [10:38] And I didn't see anything to help me in this matter [10:38] :/ [10:38] 12:28 < edoreld> wich program can I use to generate a MD5 or crypted [...] [10:38] Nick change: glance_ -> glance [10:38] "MD5 or crypted"... hm.... ;) [10:39] well..using crypt [10:39] just repeating what I saw in FAIBASE.var [10:39] Nick change: glance -> Guest380 [10:39] # root password for the new installed linux system; md5 and crypt are possible [10:39] # pw is "fai" [10:40] Nick change: Guest380 -> glance [11:06] edoreld: and you didn't manage to associate "md5 or crypt" with anything in the mkpasswd manpage? [11:07] Well to be honest, I already made it work, my only doubt was that I expressed before, why "fai" encrypted takes lots of characters and "mypassword" encrypted takes less ^_^ [11:08] edoreld: and you didn't manage to associate "md5 or crypt" with anything in the mkpasswd manpage? [11:08] aah like [11:08] if i use md5 is shorters / crypt is longer something like that? [11:09] uhm, yeah, except it's the other way around of course [11:09] heh, just a ramdom guess ): [11:09] :) [11:10] i do believe i recommended about 2 weeks ago that you buy a book about basic linux system administration... [11:10] I just read the section u wanted me to read, it's just that until now it hadn't ocurred to me the idea of those 2 methods generating length differentiated encryptions ^_^ [11:10] at least not so much of a difference ^_^ [11:11] I have several linux administration books, but at the moment I'm studying a programming language so I don't have much time to read those... T_T [11:12] edoreld: mgoetze's tip is good. [11:12] you're trying to run, but you shold learn how to walk first. [11:13] I know, I need to read one [11:13] .o0(That's a sentence I got as a comment by some professor myself during my 1st semester :-) ) [11:13] heh :) [11:13] edoreld: I can tell you a thing, If you promise to tell noone. [11:13] Well I was top of my class which doesn't speak very well for my professor :P [11:14] (but u have to see the other students...) [11:14] oh please oz, dare tell ^_^ [11:14] Action: oz_ never read an entire book about Linux [11:14] but many about UNIX ;) [11:15] aren't both very similar? [11:15] i never read a book about either. but a lot of manpages... ;) [11:15] hehe [11:16] edoreld: depends. if you just know Linux, AIX will bite you. [11:16] well, to be honest I use a UNIX operating system :) [11:16] mgoetze: year, manpages and RFCs... [11:16] Linux at work though [11:16] edoreld: Linux is just "UNIX-like" ;) [11:17] .o0(VMS...) [11:17] i consider linux a type of unix, just like aix, solaris, hpux, irix... [11:17] yeah...I noticed many manpages are similar but not the same [11:17] also many commands are shared :) [11:17] after all, there are a lot of differences between solaris and irix as well [11:18] wouln't know about that :P [11:18] My area of expertise limits to Linux, UNIX and, contrary to my desires, windows [11:18] winblows* [11:18] sorry edoreld, but you have no expertise whatsoever in linux [11:19] verwilst (~verwilst@router.begen1.office.netnoc.eu) left irc: Ping timeout: 480 seconds [11:19] kai_bo (~kai@statdsl-085-016-072-173.ewe-ip-backbone.de) joined #fai. [11:20] hey, I can't put "Linux n00b" in my CV! [11:20] heh [11:20] yes, but this is IRC, not your CV [11:20] Ok, but "area of n00bness" sounds too bad :/ [11:21] n00b sounds bad in general. [11:21] ok, 's/area of expertise/area of knowledge/' [11:21] http://get.a.clue.de :-> [11:21] says to turn off javascript [11:21] -.- [11:21] yea, get a clue.. ;) [11:23] nice page and competely true :) [11:24] very old a page [11:24] more than a decade [11:24] I love this one [11:24] Q: I have discovered a huge security hole in rm! [11:24] A: No, you have not. [11:25] yea, and this is the FAI #. [11:29] verwilst (~verwilst@router.begen1.office.netnoc.eu) joined #fai. [11:30] meh :/ [11:31] simNIX (~simNIX@156-60.bbned.dsl.internl.net) joined #fai. [11:34] edoreld: don't feel offended, think of it as a helping hand [11:34] and, yes UNIX guys can rough && tough. :) [11:35] Not offended no worries ^_^ [11:35] They are right [11:35] und Ich muss Linux lernen :) [11:37] wir hier wollen Fai weiterentwickeln. [11:38] und Leute bei FAI helfen [11:39] Ich weis es MrFai und das ist Fantastisch! :D [11:40] My boss just told me it would be good if we could have a fai installation for Ubuntu. Is it possible to install Ubuntu on a client from a Debian fai-server? [11:41] edoreld: yes. [11:41] but It would be really nice from you to do some little google search before asking here. [11:42] damn my wretched memory ... [11:42] ur right [11:42] \sh (~shermann@nat.de.netviewer.com) joined #fai. [11:43] <\sh> mahlzeit [11:43] jo [11:45] <\sh> guys...does the NWO setup-storage detect partitons > 2GiB now and create an EIT/GPT label automagically? The last thread on this topic was giving me a headache [11:45] <\sh> sorry [11:45] <\sh> 2TiB ;) [11:54] ErKa (~keryell@APuteaux-154-1-37-65.w83-199.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined #fai. [11:57] \sh: no hw here to check it. [11:57] Action: oz_ sings "I can't get no....installation, even if I FAI, and I FAI" [12:06] <\sh> grmpf...hp server dl365...which means i need the firmware-bnx2 package inside the chroot? and for the initramfs it seems [12:06] \sh: /etc/fai/NFSROOT [12:09] <\sh> mgoetze: thx :) [12:10] \sh: are you doing 32-bit or 64-bit installations? [12:10] <\sh> mgoetze: 64bit :) [12:10] <\sh> mgoetze: actually I want to install ubuntu-server via debian lenny [12:11] <\sh> and I thought debian and hp works out of the box ;) [12:11] <\sh> which means...I need to find time to fix FAI on Ubuntu ... [12:12] well on dell hardware, i've had success with 32-bit and telmich has failed with 64-bit (firmware-bnx2) [12:14] <\sh> hmm...dell doesn't have such nich blade enclosures like HP has...and dell doesn't have the bl495c ;) [12:17] well i don't get to decide what kind of hardware we buy, i just have to make it work ;) [12:18] mgoetze: btw, I got bnx2 working on ibm-x3550-m2 [12:18] mgoetze: without any problems [12:18] hm, interessant [12:18] so either the 2.6.26-2 has problems with the supplied dell variant or something else was strange [12:18] well, let's see what happens when i get an r710 to play with :) [12:19] btw, I'm also getting some dl160 g6 in the next days [12:19] sun x2270 works fine [12:19] <\sh> oh this initramfs...I'M doomed again...how can I tell initramfs to use for /scripts/live-premount and IPConfig the network interface it used to boot from PXE? [12:19] intel s5520ur, too, although the hardware does not run stable [12:23] \sh: I know what you mean. I've fiddled around with live-initramfs, too [12:24] PITA. [12:27] <\sh> oz_: yeah...in former times the kernel just probed all available devices for connectivity...but initramfs that's not my area of knowledge [12:32] <\sh> oz_: how did you solve it? setting bootfrom in /etc/fai/live.conf to ethX? [12:32] something like this yes... [12:33] I think I made notes in my wiki/fai-wiki [12:33] this was October 2006, I think. [12:34] <\sh> multi-ethernet? [12:35] <\sh> http://faiwiki.informatik.uni-koeln.de/index.php/Multi-ethernet [12:35] lazyb0y (~henning@faiwiki.informatik.uni-koeln.de) left irc: Quit: leaving [12:36] lazyb0y (~henning@faiwiki.informatik.uni-koeln.de) joined #fai. [12:43] edoreld (~Adium@p57A09AC1.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [12:43] edoreld (~Adium@p57A09AC1.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) joined #fai. [13:04] <\sh> that's not working and not optimal somehow... [13:16] i've packaged the dell tool biosdevname, if it works on your hardware it might help to install that into the nfsroot? [13:19] <\sh> mgoetze: it's initramfs...it triggers the 75-net-rule bla and kernel finds the external NICs first, then the internal...but PXE booting from the external is a nogo in our setup...and having different initrds with different 70-net-persistent.rules doesn't help either...there needs to be another way... [13:19] \sh: you want to boot from eth0, i assume? [13:20] <\sh> mgoetze: yes..but my eth0 is not the udev eth0 :) [13:20] yes, biosdevname is a tool to tell udev how to name ethernet devices [13:21] <\sh> mgoetze: and it does this while it's on /scripts/live-premount? I wonder how you tell biosdevname the device when you don't know the mac actually [13:22] i don't know how well it works in initrd... but it works with normal udev [13:22] it examines some s3kr1t bios information [13:23] http://www.mgoetze.net/tmp/biosdevname_0.2.4-5_i386.deb [13:26] hm. just a stupid question... [13:26] If work on scripts, how do I test them without performing a full install? [13:29] softupdate? ;) [13:29] Action: oz_ bangs his head against the table [13:30] mgoetze: thx. :) [13:44] siggg (~jean@tra78-5-88-172-128-32.fbx.proxad.net) joined #fai. [14:00] verwilst (~verwilst@router.begen1.office.netnoc.eu) left irc: Ping timeout: 480 seconds [14:11] I have been looking up in Google & the FAI wiki documentation about installing Ubuntu systems from a Debian fai-server. I was wondering, is it worth the effort, or is it much simpler to just install an Ubuntu fai-server (maybe on another partition in the same machine)? [14:15] verwilst (~verwilst@router.begen1.office.netnoc.eu) joined #fai. [14:16] edoreld: iirc FAI is b0rken in recent ubunut versions [14:16] ubuntu, even. [14:16] damn [14:16] guess not [14:16] I'd go for vanilla debian. [14:17] Action: oz_ wonders if ubuntu is worth the effort [14:18] gnome desktop with vanilla Debian is also usable imho [14:18] <\sh> edoreld: fai + ubuntu has problems because ubuntu kernel has problems with this unionfs..that's why we don't have a working ubuntu fai version [14:18] <\sh> edoreld: but you can, for sure, install ubuntu via debian fai installation...that's what I'm setting up right now [14:22] \sh: I would love a step-by-step howto.... [14:23] (a running fai server as prerequisite, naturally) [14:29] Winkie (~urmom@ur.fa.gs) joined #fai. [14:29] afternoon [14:31] can anyone confirm for me that it is in fact possible to do a FAI install of ubuntu jaunty using the ubuntu jaunty kernel? (or a 2.6.28 or similar version) [14:32] i have some machines (Dell Optiplex 320s) which absolutely refuse to boot on almost everything i've tried, excepting a jaunty kernel [14:32] but attempting to use the FAI packages on ubuntu to build a nfsroot and boot off that failed miserably [14:32] with ubuntu package problems and segfaults once i'd resolved those [14:32] Winkie: FAI is not well tested in Ubuntu [14:33] lazyb0y: indeed, it ships in ubuntu with hardy repositories enabled [14:33] which is worthless, they shouldn't even bother with the packages imho [14:33] but i'm more interested in if anyone has managed to install ubuntu using perhaps a debian host [14:33] that being said, you can quite well install ubuntu from a debian fai server [14:33] I'm doing that quite often [14:33] excellent, and how sure are you i can install jaunty with 2.6.28? :) [14:34] Winkie: why don't you just use debian testing... it's probably more stable than ubuntu ;) [14:34] I did it just last week [14:34] double excellent [14:34] that means i can destroy this ubuntu virtual environment once and for all [14:34] it may be a nice desktop, but jesus it's a mess [14:34] mgoetze: it's for users machines, and dealing with 'iceweasel' etc is beginning to destroy my sanity [14:35] everything else is debian 8) [14:35] maybe some people have their reason why they chose a specific dirtibution? [14:35] lazyb0y: yes, well, i was guessing the main reason is kernel >= 2.6.28 [14:35] mgoetze: that's one of them, i haven't tried a sid CD, but i don't want people whining at me asking me where stuff is [14:36] so i figure a cut down ubuntu works just fine [14:36] mgoetze: if that's the only reason you're right, debian might be more stable [14:36] <\sh> Winkie: I would really wonder why the debian kernel doesn't like the dell...but you can compile your own install kernel from jaunty kernel sources e.g. [14:36] <\sh> but it wouldn't help you... [14:36] \sh: i haven't tried the latest debian kernel, only lenny [14:36] <\sh> compile your own 2.6.28 kernel for debian so you don't run into your jaunty problem with broken unionfs [14:36] <\sh> (and that's the only problem why fai doesn't work so nice with ubuntu right now.) [14:36] \sh: well that is one of my issues, but i would very much prefer to have 'firefox', 'thunderbird', plus things like human etc [14:37] wait \sh do you mean why it doesn't work from inside ubuntu? because lazyb0y indicates it works just fine from a debian FAI server? [14:37] <\sh> Winkie: you need the install kernel only for starting fai on your client...you can still install ubuntu via debian fai..your problem is dell..and eventually the kernel :) [14:38] <\sh> Winkie: what lazyb0y said is: you can install ubuntu with a debian fai installation... [14:38] <\sh> Winkie: your problem: the debian installation kernel which is used to boot the installation kernel via fai, doesn't work... [14:38] \sh: ah i see what you're saying, i think [14:39] <\sh> Winkie: solution: build your own kernel package (2.6.28) use your kernel package as installation kernel (which is booted via tftpd after your pxe) and install ubuntu... [14:39] \sh: yeah that's what i understood you to be saying, and that is exactly my current plan [14:39] Destroying VE private area: /var/lib/vz/private/9039 [14:39] VE private area was destroyed [14:39] it feels so good to do that ^^^ [14:39] it's amazing how badly it was shipped in Ubuntu [14:40] <\sh> Winkie: the crashes you saw using the ubuntu kernel is a problem of one module...which is being used by fai ...but ubuntu kernel maintainers decided to not go the way like debian [14:40] even things like scripts failing fatally because they hadn't been updated [14:40] \sh: hmm it is? i saw no mention of a specific module, only a kernel null pointer, but you may know better than me [14:40] <\sh> Winkie: that's because the ubuntu-fai team has a) no time, and b) no reason to update FAI on ubuntu because it doesn't work on kernel level [14:41] there is no ubuntu-fai team, afaik [14:41] \sh: then (imho) they shouldn't be shipping such incredibly broken packages [14:41] it's akin to packaging a windows ME autoinstaller with windows XP, you just wouldn't bother [14:41] well, that's just the way ubuntu works. fork everything from debian and then never care about it again [14:41] <\sh> mgoetze: https://edge.launchpad.net/~fai [14:41] <\sh> mgoetze: https://launchpad.net/~fai [14:41] mgoetze: i try not to be cynical because i actually do like ubuntu as a desktop, they've done reasonably with it [14:41] but you're so right in this situation [14:42] <\sh> Winkie: TBH...we need it in ubuntu...and we will fix it when the kernel is being fixed...promised :) [14:42] kai_bo (~kai@statdsl-085-016-072-173.ewe-ip-backbone.de) left irc: Quit: Verlassend [14:42] \sh: i will probably try and procrastinate for another hour so i don't have to do anything today, but i'll give it a go tomorrow and thank you and lazyb0y endlessly [14:42] mgoetze: there _is_ an ubuntu fai team [14:42] <\sh> mgoetze: don't tell this to siretart or me ;) [14:42] \sh: well frankly i don't see the point of 'ubuntu server' [14:42] but i guess it's "debian sid lite" [14:42] and the people who founded it some from plain fai users [14:43] it could basically be blamed on them, not ubuntu, to bring fai in and not care of it [14:43] <\sh> lazyb0y: fai was there since fai was in debian..it was synced...before the kernel module bug it was well maintained and updated for ubuntu ... [14:47] <\sh> sorry..not unionfs but aufs was the kernel bugger [14:48] by the way, i wonder if any of you would care to comment on cobbler (i believe that is the name of the package) [14:48] my friend is raving about it but i don't see what's so hot [14:48] being one of them, I can only say (repeatedly) that I have not enough time to work on it properly - and I even proposed to remove it [14:48] fai/cfengine is pretty awesome [14:48] the main argument against removing it is that the fai softupdates seem to work quite well - "only" network install seems to be quite broken [14:48] lazyb0y: it may be worth adding in some pretty strict warnings rather than just assuming the user knows that it's broken [14:48] because random nfsroot build failures and segfaults on boot do not make this too clear :p [14:48] Winkie: nobody assumes that the user knows it. it's just broken. maybe the fai-server packages should just be removed [14:48] <\sh> https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/fai/+bug/197006 [14:48] <\sh> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/fai/+bug/197006 [14:49] <\sh> ok...I'll work on fai in karmic anyways this cycle... [14:50] cbmuser (~glaubitz@z6.physik.fu-berlin.de) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [14:50] \sh: sure? I thought it was only synced later... I even thought I asked for this sync ages ago :) [14:51] lazyb0y: well by providing fai-server and similar packages, it is somewhat of an implicit endorsement of its functionality [14:51] all i'd ask is that it prints out a very strict warning on installation :) [14:51] i make no demands though [14:51] cbmuser (~glaubitz@z6.physik.fu-berlin.de) joined #fai. [14:51] i should really get into actually developing more for linux instead of writing tiny terrible Perl scripts [14:51] but if you need any terrible Perl scripts writing i'm your man [14:51] Winkie: yes, as I said, I already proposed to remove it. That's even simpler, and clearer than providing a broken package that says "Hey, I'm broken" when you install it :) [14:52] lazyb0y: well that works for me too, i just don't want to tell anyone their jobs :D [14:52] Winkie: FAI is not really much more than a tiny terrible Perl (and Bash) Script :) [14:54] lazyb0y: don't forget cfengine! [14:54] I thought of that, but that's actually not the FAI program. that are user's config scripts :) [14:55] <\sh> Winkie: cfengine has really nothing to do with FAI :) you can as well exchange it with puppet [14:55] i guess so, anyway i have few complaints about FAI :) [14:55] i think its name is a little drab, but i also think 'cobbler' is completely stupid [14:55] and 'systemimager' is taken, and crpa [14:56] ... and it doesn't have a logo :) [14:56] but that's being worked on... [14:56] <\sh> but it has a mascott ;) MrFAI ;) [14:56] :o [14:56] what about a motto? [14:56] FAI: Shoving Linux into your box since 2001 [14:57] the motto is "plan your installation and fai installs your plan" [14:57] shoving sound a bit, hmm, rude/dirty/... [14:58] ;) [14:59] i do really like FAI though, even with our old cobbled together scripts, once i have ubuntu working satisfactorily in a default configuration it will take me under a day to modify the various classes of machine [15:02] Mrfai (~lange@suenner.informatik.uni-koeln.de) left irc: Quit: leaving [15:02] Mrfai (~lange@kueppers.informatik.uni-koeln.de) joined #fai. [15:10] \sh: sorry for the delay, I was on a meeting -.- I read you are doing an ubuntu installation from a fai server! [15:10] how's that working for u :)? [15:11] verwilst (~verwilst@router.begen1.office.netnoc.eu) left irc: Quit: Ex-Chat [15:11] <\sh> edoreld: right now...it doesn't fighting still with kernel, udev and passing IPOPTS to the kernel / ipconfig of udev [15:12] \sh sounds like way too complex for me to even consider it :P [15:12] at my level of exp...knowledge [15:12] <\sh> edoreld: it has nothing to do with FAI :) it's the hardware and *censored* initramfs+udev crap [15:12] ah..I see... [15:13] well good luck mate ^_^ [15:13] And if you find a gold mine, let the rest know ! [15:13] :D [15:14] <\sh> edoreld: oh well...I will get that thing fixed...I used to install SLES9 with FAI on debian .. so I'm not easy to kill [15:15] \sh: you sound like an expert ^_ ^ [15:17] 0: [15:17] whoops [15:17] lagged out :) [15:17] i was going to say that in 20 minutes i'll tell you how my attempt goes [15:24] edoreld (~Adium@p57A09AC1.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) left irc: Ping timeout: 480 seconds [15:26] edoreld (~Adium@p57A09AC1.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) joined #fai. [15:28] <\sh> grmpf [15:28] <\sh> the problem looks like is the live script of initramfs [15:29] <\sh> it really does not do what configure_networking in /usr/share/initramfs-tools/scripts/functions is doing [15:36] <\sh> Mrfai: something really wrong goes on with the initramfs live script startup after kernel boot on lenny...the "live" script doesn't look right [15:37] edoreld (~Adium@p57A09AC1.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) left irc: Quit: Leaving. [15:43] lazyb0y: when you have a second, could you PM me with any information i should need to implement installing ubuntu from debian? I'm off home now but from what i've read it's not amazingly straightforward and I would appreciate some guidance [15:44] <\sh> ok...I'll have the fix..but it looks like FAI + multiple ethernet without the workaround mentioned on the wiki...needs an updated initramfs-tools [15:47] <\sh> funpart is the ipconfig ${DEVICE} | tee /netboot.... line in /usr/share/initramfs-tolls/scripts/live this prevents the "ip=..." options to catch [15:50] Winkie: check the wiki and come back asking when you don#t know further. I don't know what part of the info you are missing so I don#t know what to put into this PM :) [15:51] <\sh> Winkie: create an ubuntu debootstrap, tar it and install it, instead of base.tgz ;) [15:52] well what i'm confused about is that typically i thought you ran fai-setup, which in turn ran make-fai-nfsroot, which provides a running linux with which to install the target distribution from [15:53] but i thought it was installed with debootstrap, rathern than untarring 'base.tgz' [15:53] i am leaving in like 6 minutes though so i will check it out tomorrow :) [15:53] <\sh> Winkie: make-fai-nfsroot just creates the "installation nfsroot" which is used as "scripting environment" of FAI...the base.tgz actually is the same source, but different use [15:54] <\sh> so installing other distros then debian, it needs a different base.tgz which needs to be copied to /files/var/tmp/.tgz and you can untar it by yourself..that's how I did it with SLES9 [15:54] \sh: i see, i just need to be sure not to tar up /sys, /proc, /dev etc [15:55] seems reasonable enough [15:56] <\sh> Winkie: the directories you can tar too...but not the running content...but debootstrap doesn't give you any /dev /sys /proc contents actually...(with /dev I#m not sure..but /dev in the debootstrap doesn't count ;)) [15:56] \sh: good point, well i'll find out tomorrow i guess! [15:57] i have a fresh lenny virtual environment to test in [15:57] so it should be as simple as creating a debian nfsroot, and then doing a debootstrap from jaunty of a directory, and adding in any extra packages needed i guess, although i'm not sure how i'll handle some of the scripts we use to auto install packages [15:57] we'll have to see! [15:57] anyway i really must leave now [15:58] Action: \sh should be at home too...wife and baby are waiting [17:06] <\sh> ok...first installation of debian succeeded with bug fixing...now for the ubuntu part..which will be easier imho...;) [17:06] <\sh> cu tomorrow [17:06] \sh (~shermann@nat.de.netviewer.com) left irc: Quit: leaving [17:10] drewr (~drew@adsl-065-013-142-013.sip.bna.bellsouth.net) joined #fai. [17:44] Winkie_ (~urmom@ur.fa.gs) joined #fai. 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