[00:00] verwilst (~verwilst@78-21-41-88.access.telenet.be) left irc: Quit: Ex-Chat [05:13] kai_bo (~kai@statdsl-085-016-072-173.ewe-ip-backbone.de) joined #fai. [07:32] morning guys [07:32] i installed client with fai but now it enters in grub [07:32] i dont get a grub loader [07:55] Mrfai (~lange@suenner.informatik.uni-koeln.de) joined #fai. [07:58] moin thomas [07:59] Mrfai do u know why i dont get the bootloader after the whole isntall process [07:59] i can only typ some cmds [07:59] so, grub is installed, but no kernel configured for boot...? [07:59] incognitu: did you have a look at the logs? [08:00] how can i see them if i cant logon to the system? [08:01] incognitu: if you use the option "createvt" you can even login during the installation [08:01] incognitu: don't you save them to your install server? [08:02] incognitu: you should be able to log into your isntall client via sshd. If not, Read the whole fai guide. Did you read it already? [08:03] i am @ chapter 7 of the pdf [08:04] incognitu: you may have to jump & reread it, sometimes things clearify at later positions [08:04] siggg (~jean@tra78-5-88-172-128-32.fbx.proxad.net) joined #fai. [08:04] incognitu: i also had the problem at startup [08:04] what did u do? [08:04] telmich: I think everyone has these probs in the beginning [08:04] clue comes later [08:05] thought I still would argue for a new kind of Doku [08:05] with parts of the wiki as primary reference [08:10] gcorvala (~D00M@112.180-65-87.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be) left irc: Quit: Bye Bye [08:10] let me read it again [08:15] incognitu: re-re-read && test && fail && re-re-read && works ;-) [08:19] hehe [08:21] lazyb0y (~henning@faiwiki.informatik.uni-koeln.de) joined #fai. [08:23] what I find surprising is the boxes come up the english/US keyboard even if not intended [08:23] lazyb0y_ (~henning@faiwiki.informatik.uni-koeln.de) left irc: Ping timeout: 480 seconds [08:26] sounds like a bug [08:28] how long does running fai-setup normally? [08:29] oz_, i belive i changed that in some debconf value in fai/config/debconf/something and perhaps also in fai/config/class/FAIBASE.var [08:29] depends on the box.... [08:30] and especially your network if you do not install faichroot from a local mirror [08:35] incognitu: use fai-setup -v [08:36] sepski: I just noticed, that somehow the "GERMAN" class was not included [08:36] now it's fine. [08:36] Action: oz_ is glad to be actually FAIing again [08:37] couldnt find any package while installing [08:37] somehtin goes wrong there [08:42] put the log onto paste.debian.net [08:50] searching ;) [08:52] where is the option log to server again? [08:55] hm. [08:55] now there is this strangeness again [08:55] us keyboard after install. [08:56] /srv/fai/config/class/FAIBASE.var contains KEYMAP=de-latin1 [08:57] there's more than one way to set the keyboard. console, xorg.conf and gnome use different configuration files. Check what FAI does using this variable [08:58] Mrfai: X is okay [08:58] just the console refuses german keyboard [09:01] oz_, do you include the d-i debian-installer/keymap somewhere in debconf/CLASS ? [09:01] sepski: I don't get waht you mean... [09:04] fai: 3 lange committed revision 5410 to 7 fai: add question about type of scripts [09:12] oz_, dai/config/debconf contains debconf values for your installations. [09:12] read a file or 2 in there to see what they look like [09:13] sepski: thx!!! [09:13] that's the evil bit [09:13] locales locales/default_environment_locale select en_US.UTF-8 [09:14] Action: oz_ wondered about that bit for years now [09:14] fai wiki is down? [09:19] http://faiwiki.informatik.uni-koeln.de/ cant reach it [09:23] no. faiwiki got a new IP address. I think your DNS caches the old entry, even I set the expiration time down to 5 minutes yesterday. [09:26] the internet is broken, as holger said. [09:27] the internet is for p0rn [09:27] and p0rn is for m0ney [09:28] m0ney & p0rn is ev1l [09:28] just the net is shiny :) [09:28] hehe [09:29] Action: oz_ is just happy to be @ work and watch boxed getting FAIed [09:30] what is ip of the wiki? [09:32] hell, no [09:32] still en_US kbd. [09:32] good. en_US keyboard is superior ;) [09:33] na. [09:33] only me can login then [09:33] the others don't know english kbd. [09:33] but it still wonder [09:34] Action: oz_ looks for the big hammer [09:34] this is a bit annoying. [09:35] well, just generate passwords without y or z in them ;) [09:35] and without & and $ and !.... [09:35] serious, this is simply not acceptable. [09:36] hm, the GERMAN class from simple examples doesn't seem to touch the keyboard layout [09:38] /srv/fai/config/class/GERMAN.var: KEYMAP=de-latin1-nodeadkeys? [09:38] $ROOTCMD install-keymap $KEYMAP || true? [09:38] this look sensible, but obviously does not work [09:38] oh, i was only looking for files/directories called GERMAN :) [09:39] anyway, i would have thought you want to change debconf settings for console-data/keymap/* [09:41] is this correct #FAI_DEBMIRROR=/home/mirror? (there i have alocal copy of the debrepo) [09:41] added it in exports [09:41] but when running fai-setup it give an error [09:42] incognitu: if you have a local mirror, use http access to it. That works much simpler then using NFS. [09:43] ok [09:44] Joelio (~joel@87.117.231.19) joined #fai. [09:44] Hi, is the website down? [09:45] you mean the website or the wiki? [09:45] wiki sorry [09:45] no. faiwiki got a new IP address. I think your DNS caches the old entry, even I set the expiration time down to 5 minutes yesterday. [09:45] ok, I'll try another resolver :) [09:46] oz_,mgoetze can you please check if you have access to the wiki [09:46] h01ger: you too, please [09:46] fai_debmirror is optional right? [09:47] yep [09:47] it should install the packages without it also [09:47] $ host faiwiki.debian.net [09:47] faiwiki.debian.net is an alias for faiwiki.informatik.uni-koeln.de. [09:47] faiwiki.informatik.uni-koeln.de has address 134.95.9.240 [09:47] Mrfai, what did you mean access? correct dns? [09:48] h01ger: perfect. Can you access faiwki via a web browser [09:48] the connection to faiwiki.debian.net (134.95.9.240) could not be established. [09:48] oooops [09:50] hm never seen this before "From 134.95.4.130 icmp_seq=1 Packet filtered" [09:50] oh, my fault. There's a filter on the router [09:52] it's not done until tested :-( [09:52] mm it wants to push logs to a dns name wich cant be resolved.. can i moidfy the hosts file on the new client? ( on server side ) [09:53] And the network group of the university seems to be on the way to lunch [09:53] incognitu: ideally you should fix your dns, but alternatively you can edit /etc/hosts in the nfsroot [09:54] ok ty [09:55] 134.95.9.240 is correct? [09:56] yep, but the router is misconfigured. I will tell you when faiwiki is reachable again [10:02] Just looking for the slides that were mentioned on the mailing list RE: puppet. Does anyone have an URL? [10:03] Ahh, think I've found them [10:07] please checkl again if faiwiki is reachable [10:11] sepski (~sep@217.17.211.35) left irc: Ping timeout: 480 seconds [10:12] Mrfai: 200 OK [10:13] Yea, it's accessible [10:13] thanks [10:16] verwilst (~verwilst@router.begen1.office.netnoc.eu) joined #fai. [10:32] worksformetoo [10:40] sepski (~sep@40.211.jostedal.no) joined #fai. [10:49] Has anybody written anything in-depth on Puppet+FAI? I'm just about to embark on the configuration management step of my project now I think I've conquered FAI (for my purposes). I'll be writing this all up, but would love to hear of people's experience etc.. :) [11:20] hm. [11:20] I just wonder if anything written about FAI can be considered "in depth"... [11:22] Calling debootstrap lenny /srv/fai/nfsroot/live/filesystem.dir http://ftp.debian.org/debian [11:22] ups [11:33] guys [11:33] ./mkdebmirror [11:33] ------------------ create mirror for debian ------------------ [11:33] ./mkdebmirror: line 16: debmirror: command not found [11:33] ------------------ create mirror for debian-security ------------------ [11:33] ./mkdebmirror: line 40: debmirror: command not found [11:33] i miss a package? [11:33] incognitu: how did you install fai? [11:33] fai-quickstart [11:38] incognitu: debmirror at a guess, try #which debmirror, you should get [11:38] /usr/bin/debmirror [11:39] if not, apt-get install debmirror [11:43] ok let me try [11:49] grr now it fai-setup wont start on client [11:50] its just loads the kernel and thats it [12:03] incognitu: Any error? [12:04] http://doihavetheswineflu.com/ [12:09] no joelio [12:09] it doenst trigger the install scripts [12:10] what do the logs say? What was the last log output? Anything on console? Any tcpdump info from the PXE boot server (if using one) etc... [12:11] running make-fai-nfsroot now [12:11] incognitu: add -v to it [12:11] k [12:12] hm. [12:12] oz_ Do you have swine flu then? :) [12:13] Action: Joelio coughs [12:13] "no matching file for any class fot boot/grub/menu.lst defined" [12:13] no errors on that [12:13] but the box has class GRUB and: [12:13] /srv/fai/config/files/boot/grub/menu.lst/GRUB [12:13] incognitu: hups. that was wrong channel [12:14] ok [12:17] umount: /srv/fai/nfsroot/live/filesystem.dir//media/mirror: not mounted [12:19] incognitu: you have still defined FAI_DEBMIRROR [12:19] yes i saw disabled it [12:19] running make nfs again [12:21] hm. what is a senible way to debug the grub installation? [12:22] kernel is there configfiles are there... [12:27] incognitu: /srv/fai/nfsroot/live/filesystem.dir//media/mirror - doesn't look right, there may be an error in your config [12:28] i fixed that already [12:29] i need to use a local mirror i think [12:29] no inet available [12:33] Action: oz_ starts to hate grub again [12:35] and FAI with grub [12:35] whyx isn't there a script like "install-bootloader" [13:08] is there a way that the fai server autonames the clients? like clnt01 clnt02 and so on [13:09] incognitu: let your dhcp do this [13:10] can u give me an example of what to write? [13:12] /usr/share/doc/fai-doc/examples/etc/dhcpd.conf [13:12] and man hosts [13:13] yes i already got that dhcpd.conf [13:13] what line does that? [13:14] man dhcpd.conf. You should understand all lines in the dhcpd.conf [13:14] i do the normal ones [13:50] if i change something in fai.conf do i need to run fai-setup again? [13:53] yep. sometimes make-fai-nfsroot is also sufficient [13:55] ok ty [13:56] ypu it doenst even boot otherbise [13:56] w [14:09] Mrfai: is there an 'official' way to clone an exiting server (pkg-selection, configurations) with FAI? [14:10] s/exiting/existing/ [14:12] did you install this server with FAI? [14:13] nope, that's the problem [14:13] and I have ~20 of these [14:13] it should becoma a FAI takeover here [14:13] gee, my typing: s/becoma/become/ [14:14] no, that's not possible. pkg selection yes, but I do not recommend this. [14:15] configuration is never possible, because there's not intelligent programm/script that scans your server and generates a FAI config out of it [14:16] I mostly clone systems via dpkg --get-selections > file then dpkg --set-selections < /file ; then rsync /etc and fix/change in it, maybe sync /var, /srv $DATAdirs [14:16] If you wanna clone system you can take dd or tar, and do not need FAI. [14:17] Mrfai: that only works on identical HW [14:18] I think of a hook doing this [14:22] ErKa (~keryell@keryell.pck.nerim.net) joined #fai. [14:37] hm. I think 'cloning' is not the right term for what I intend to do... [14:47] oz_ I've done a similar thing for a meta-backup system I wrote a few years ago [14:48] Joelio: tell me more.... [14:49] ox_ I basically used dpkg --get-selections > file together with copies of the relevant configs to backup minimally as possible [14:49] Joelio: I think that's what I need [14:49] do you have something left of this? [14:49] It wasn't very portable though [14:49] i.e. some scripts to share? [14:50] oz_ unfortunately not, it was just a simple perl script really.. [14:50] oz_ I'm leaning more to config management nowadays though as it's much more flexible [14:51] Joelio: should not be something too fancy [14:51] but I could need it whenever I have to setup a new server [14:52] I'm still in two minds about whether to use Puppet or Bcfg2 though.. [14:53] I'm still 'not getting it' with Puppet [14:53] as soon as I try and start to model, say, a mail bastion... the config spirals out of control.. I think that might be due to my lack of in-depth knowledge on it [14:55] oz_ I'm sure there's a 'debian way' to achieve what you're after, could you clarify your requirements? [14:56] Joelio: I found that you described it very well... [14:56] the --get-selections and set-selections thing is enuff [14:56] oz_ That worked well enough for me at the time.. if the hat fits.. [14:57] can I somehow use the ramsize in disk_config? I would like to use at least 1GiB ram up to double size of ram (if hd space is available) [14:57] I 'cloned' (uppgraded?) many boxes that way [14:58] oz_ I contemplated pushing this into svn or something too, but I changed jobs and never had to bother with installation areas until I started at this job [14:58] telmich: you can generate the disk_config file on the fly. Use sed to replace a placeholder like %%SWAPSIZE%% with a value [14:59] Mrfai: Presumably you can do this for different tuning options too? [14:59] Mrfai: and how do I get called / where to place the new file? [14:59] that's the recommended way, yes [14:59] Mrfai: Is that a job for templating engines? :D [15:00] hwguy (~hwguy@xdsl-78-34-184-62.netcologne.de) joined #fai. [15:00] juten morgen [15:00] welche installationen unterstützt fai? hat jemand lust an einem open source projekt für schulen teilzunehmen? (openSchoolSystem.org) - wir planen FAI als unterbau für die host installationen zu nehmen [15:02] Joelio: yes yaml and perl for e.g. [15:03] telmich: Just in the same location as all ohter configs [15:04] Mrfai: I'm confused: the client gets the config via nfs, as all others [15:05] telmich: yes but the config space is writeable because of aufs overlay mount [15:06] hwguy: versuch doch mal einen Aufruf auf der linux-fai mailing liste. Da wirst du mehr Erfolg haben. Vielleicht koennt ihr ja auch was mit skolelinux zusammen machen [15:07] Action: oz_ würde sogar empfehlen sich da einzubringen [15:07] http://www.skolelinux.de/ <- hier? [15:13] Mrfai, hab ich auch schon gedacht [15:14] wir überlegen schon, ob wir ne automatische skolelinux installation über openSchoolSystem mit supporten :) [15:27] hwguy: keine doku auf der webseite, bug tracker nur mit account :-( [15:27] irgendwie sieht das nach GOsa aus. Das hat schon FAI eingebaut [15:29] Mrfai (~lange@suenner.informatik.uni-koeln.de) left irc: Quit: leaving [15:30] die doku kommt noch, der bugtracker wird noch umkonfiguriert [15:36] Here's a quick question.. can you create custom linux logo images? I think I'd get extra brownie points at work if there was the company's logo on all new FAI builds [15:37] Action: Joelio expects some package recompilation to be expected.. [15:44] verwilst (~verwilst@router.begen1.office.netnoc.eu) left irc: Quit: Ex-Chat [15:56] hm. my KEYMAP variable seeting seems to be ignored by FI [15:56] s/FI/FAI/ [16:03] oz_ : which bit of the class have you got it defined in? [16:03] what's the line you've got too.. [16:03] FAIBASE.var [16:04] oz_ does it read out the correct keymap once it reads the config (before it starts to install).. just before the 3 beeps [16:04] 3 beeps? [16:04] Action: oz_ got no beeps at all [16:05] sorry, that might just be my system.. it does actually beep 3 times before it installs, but on some servers I've noticed it doesn't [16:05] KEYMAP=de-latin1 [16:05] seems right, I take it that's a vaild keymap? [16:05] and it also says so in the install logs... [16:06] Joelio: I'd say yes, but hove to prove? [16:06] I'm just testing now on my install.. [16:06] console-data claims: "looking for keymap to install:" [16:06] NONE [16:06] I wonder. 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