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| 11:35 lazyb0y | moin |
| 11:36 eartoast | moin |
| 11:43 h01ger | puppet.debian.org |
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| 13:19 lazyb0y | puppet works! yeah |
| 13:19 oz_ | lazyb0y: congrats |
| 13:22 h01ger | lazyb0y, you're switching from fai to puppet? |
| 13:22 h01ger | or just trying to get it work to take a look? :) |
| 13:43 lazyb0y | h01ger: I want to look at it since quite a while but didn't do so yet |
| 13:44 lazyb0y | apart from that, puppet cannot replace FAI completely because puppet cannot, as far as I know, do a base install |
| 13:44 lazyb0y | (which might be not problem for those doing only softupdates :) ) |
| 13:45 lazyb0y | aehm, and anyway, my mentionin of puppet was only about puppet.debian.org saying "it works" over http... |
| 13:47 h01ger | lazyb0y, that is indeed no problem as there is automated installation with d-i |
| 13:47 h01ger | ah (re: it works) :) |
| 13:47 h01ger | it also means, that DSA is starting to use it for .debian.org machines.. |
| 13:49 h01ger | (DSA=Debian System Administrators) |
| 13:49 lazyb0y | if it makes them lucky ;) |
| 13:50 lazyb0y | what I already dislike in puppet (only from impression, not experience) is that it's so "programing-lanmguage" like, while I prefer to have a config file, for example for a list of packages |
| 13:51 lazyb0y | but I have to check it out to be able to judge. it should be fairly easy to use FAI for the base deployment and puppet for config details, if one whiches to do so |
| 13:51 lazyb0y | like we do it with cfengine |
| 13:52 lazyb0y | and, I do not really like ruby anymore. it's a bit like the object oriented web2.0 perl... |
| 13:52 lazyb0y | there's always more than one way to do it means you have to remember multiple things to recognize the same thing in someone elses code. |
| 13:53 lazyb0y | and the have special characters as method names. short but not really easy to understand |
| Action: h01ger nods |
| 13:57 h01ger | fai is simple and everyone knows (at least a bit) shell |
| 13:57 h01ger | using puppet like cfengine sounds interesting though |
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| 14:04 lazyb0y | I have announced a puppet comparison for the talk at osdc, so I _have_ to check it out until april ;) |
| 14:05 lazyb0y | will report then |
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| 16:49 teratoma | i do the initial pxe install with fai. then i set up things with puppet. then i deploy code with capistrano |
| 16:55 lazyb0y | also heard fro capistrano and want to check it out one day. only, I did not really get what it's for. |
| 16:57 lazyb0y | something like making a puppet managed system run an update or so?! |
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| 20:17 teratoma | you use puppet for initial set up and keeping something up to do date until you eol the machine |
| 20:17 teratoma | cap is for running a batch job on many machines |
| 20:18 teratoma | you really odnt need to know ruby for puppet |
| 20:18 teratoma | puppet is written in ruby... but you write your puppet instructions in this special puppet declarative language |
| 20:18 teratoma | you can extend it in ruby if you want to |
| 21:23 zirpu | i use FAI for base os install, then puppet to finish the rest. i never liked cfengine. |
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| Action: vca prefers Fabric to capistrano |
| 23:11 vca | to each theiur own |
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