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| 12:37 h01ger | mikap, is grml.org really made with asciidoc completly or has it changed or do i remember wrong? |
| 12:37 mikap | h01ger: grml.org? no, that's not asciidoc |
| 12:37 mikap | we use it for our docs |
| 12:37 h01ger | ah |
| 12:37 h01ger | url? |
| 12:37 mikap | h01ger: url for what? :) |
| 12:38 h01ger | for your docs :-D |
| 12:38 h01ger | grml.org/doc? |
| 12:38 mikap | http://grml.org/grml-live/ e.g. |
| 12:38 h01ger | that doesnt look as good as the fai website mockup :) |
| 12:38 mikap | http://grml.org/online-docs/ is automatically created though not yet updated for git and therefore was never announced officially so far |
| 12:39 mikap | h01ger: you mean my fai website design? this was plain simple html/php + css |
| 12:39 h01ger | not asciidoc? |
| 12:40 mikap | no |
| 12:41 mikap | Mrfai: any chance that fai grabs sources of debian package during dirinstall as well? we have a serious problem with the lack of a working snapshot.debian.net service and would like to grab sources automatically with FAI actions for the future |
| 12:41 h01ger | hm |
| 12:43 Mrfai | mikap: IT should be not problem to extend install_packages. I would guess 10 lines of perl code, and then something like PACKAGES debiansource would be available |
| 12:51 stockholm | h01ger: where is the mockup? |
| 12:52 h01ger | mikap, ^ |
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| 14:58 Nic0 | yeti: http://wiki.dovecot.org/LDA/Sieve#head-6c9ea72bb9d7d8e0e2b1b2fc9d46226f3a02d530 |
| 14:59 Nic0 | Oops, sorry, wrong window |
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| 16:20 rgsteele||work | If I want to set up apt-pinning for my fai clients, should I just configure that in $FAI_CONFIGDIR/files/etc/apt/preferences/CLASSNAME ? |
| 16:21 h01ger | should work, yes |
| Action: h01ger thinks there is an fcopy -r /etc/apt somewhere |
| 16:21 h01ger | else, add it :) |
| 16:21 h01ger | some people even use fcopy -r / |
| 16:28 rgsteele||work | h01ger: Don't see that fcopy for /etc/apt anywhere |
| 16:28 rgsteele||work | But yeah I'll add it. |
| 16:30 h01ger | you might need to put it in a hook |
| 16:31 h01ger | so that its executed early enough |
| 16:31 rgsteele||work | h01ger: Yeah, I'm putting it in the instsoft.CLASSNAME |
| 16:31 rgsteele||work | So it gets there right before the package setup |
| 16:31 h01ger | sounds good |
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| 17:17 rgsteele||work | Mrfai: Just rolled out my FAI-installed database cluster. I'm ready to write my testimonial now :) |
| 17:26 Mrfai | great |
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| 18:16 stockholm | rgsteele||work: what db do you use? |
| 18:16 stockholm | rgsteele||work: we look for muli-master for postfix... :-) |
| 18:17 stockholm | postgresql even... |
| 18:19 rgsteele||work | Postgresql |
| 18:19 stockholm | rgsteele||work: do you do multi master? |
| 18:21 rgsteele||work | stockholm: We use sharding. |
| 18:21 stockholm | what is that? |
| Action: stockholm looks it up |
| 18:23 stockholm | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shard_(database_architecture) |
| 18:23 rgsteele||work | stockholm: Yep |
| 18:24 stockholm | rgsteele||work: that does not address redundancy, does it? |
| 18:28 rgsteele||work | stockholm: The servers use hardware RAID, but if the entire server melted in to a puddle of goo, we'd end up FAI'ing a new server to replace it because that data does not exist on another server. |
| 18:30 rgsteele||work | Of course, we maintain very good backups and replay logs, etc. |
| 18:33 mikap | stockholm: h01ger: http://grml.org/fai/ |
| 18:34 stockholm | rgsteele||work: not an option for us :-) |
| 18:35 stockholm | mikap: nice |
| 18:36 rgsteele||work | stockholm: In an ideal world, we'd have enough funds to pay for a spare server for every production server. |
| 18:38 rgsteele||work | But duplicating every one of hundreds of database servers isn't cheap :) |
| 18:38 stockholm | we dont have so many database servers yet (only ~20 in production), but we need redundancy as our service must not go down. |
| 18:39 stockholm | we would go for duplication |
| 18:39 stockholm | if there was a good way that we knew of |
| 18:45 stockholm | mikap: you do mention that there is a maintainance capability to fai even! |
| 18:50 rgsteele||work | stockholm: Depends on your level of activity. |
| 18:50 rgsteele||work | If you have super-active database servers, Slony is too expensive. |
| 18:51 rgsteele||work | Slony bogs us down, we do far too much I/O for that. |
| 18:53 stockholm | we have different kind of databases. some operate straight out of memory, and do mostly reading. others do do heavy IO |
| 19:01 maswan | Hm. Is there a prize for "most different OSes installed at a site with FAI"? :) |
| 19:02 maswan | (we're currently working on solaris, already there are aix and several different linux distributions) |
| 19:03 stockholm | maswan: we have solaris too... but without fai |
| 19:04 stockholm | and we wont lay our hands on aix :-) |
| Action: h01ger is having fun with irix 6.5 atm :) |
| 19:04 maswan | aw. aix is cuddly. ;) |
| 19:04 stockholm | how come? how much fun? :-) |
| 19:04 stockholm | maswan: i hear it is archaic. |
| 19:05 h01ger | just looking at an old machine and install. maybe it will become a debian.org machine.. |
| 19:05 h01ger | but its something i dreamed of in the mid-nineties |
| 19:05 stockholm | for that it would need to run debian |
| 19:05 stockholm | :-) |
| 19:05 maswan | stockholm: Not more so than solaris. That is, you need gnu tools and similar stuff if you're going to spend much time with it. |
| 19:06 stockholm | right. that is also the first thing we install :-) |
| 19:07 stockholm | maswan: do you guys have redundant postgresql databases? |
| 19:07 h01ger | the gui is WOW |
| 19:07 h01ger | great |
| 19:07 h01ger | and the machine was last touched in 2001 :) |
| 19:07 maswan | stockholm: redundant? no, we archive WALs, that is |
| 19:07 stockholm | still? after all those years? |
| 19:08 maswan | stockholm: Sometime in the future, I'll get that to continiously apply them as well, but for now we just copy them over to the standby machine so that we can manually replay them and get something close to it back up. |
| 19:08 h01ger | stockholm, yes. absolutly |
| 19:09 maswan | This is in part due to us needing to be able to back off a few transactions in case of a break, due to the application not using transactions for whole updates... |
| 19:09 stockholm | ah |
| 19:10 h01ger | netscape communitcator 4.05 |
| 19:10 maswan | It was ported from gdbm to postgres without database "scheme" changes... yuck. |
| 19:10 maswan | or if it was bdb |
| 19:11 maswan | anyway, after we migrate the data to the new, sensible, version with proper db schemas etc, we'll do more of an automatically redundant setup |
| 19:14 stockholm | sounds ... old. |
| 19:14 maswan | yup |
| 19:14 maswan | the new stuff is actually quite recent, and we're one of the first to migrate a significant setup |
| 19:15 maswan | it's archaic grid software. :) |
| 19:18 stockholm | maswan: did you try spotify yet? |
| 19:18 maswan | stockholm: no, what is it? |
| 19:19 stockholm | argh, you must read the papers! |
| 19:19 stockholm | maswan: its our music service... which is fai installed |
| 19:19 stockholm | and maintained :-) |
| 19:19 maswan | ah, music stuff. not very interested then. :) |
| 19:19 stockholm | same here :-) |
| 19:20 maswan | but neat! |
| 19:20 stockholm | i run the client app mostly when i deploy and test new access point servers |
| Action: maswan nods |
| 19:20 stockholm | we even run on ibm hardware nowerdays |
| 19:20 maswan | but neat |
| 19:21 stockholm | its kind of popular in the music nerd corner. |
| 19:22 maswan | yeah, I can see that |
| 19:24 stockholm | maswan: if you wanted to try it i could offer you an invite... |
| 19:26 stockholm | torkel: you want one? |
| 19:26 maswan | stockholm: well, my gf might appriciate one, she listens to music. ;) |
| 19:27 stockholm | sure. happy girlfriends are great :-) |
| 19:38 torkel | stockholm: sure |
| 19:50 stockholm | torkel: email? |
| 19:52 torkel | stockholm: <nickname>@acc.umu.se |
| 19:53 stockholm | ack |
| 19:53 torkel | stockholm: thanks a lot |
| 19:53 stockholm | sent |
| 19:55 stockholm | you might be one of the few who are able to appreciate the beautifully faked mail headers, too |
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| 20:34 mikap | stockholm: "mikap: you do mention that there is a maintainance capability to fai even!" - hm? |
| 20:35 stockholm | mikap: softupdate is totally underrated |
| 20:35 stockholm | mikap: few mention/know it |
| 20:36 stockholm | mikap: but for us it was actually decicive |
| 20:36 stockholm | and more people would use fai if they knew about it |
| 20:37 mikap | stockholm: hm yes, but in which regard do you mention it? :) |
| 20:37 mikap | did I write something wrong? :) |
| 20:37 stockholm | no, you did mention it in the mockup |
| 20:37 mikap | if you mean my homepage redesign: content is just copy/paste from official docs |
| 20:37 stockholm | ah |
| 20:38 stockholm | in my oppinion it should be mentioned even more prominently... |
| 20:38 mikap | deinitely |
| 20:38 mikap | definitely |
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