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| Action: oz_ thinks just found a typo in fai-setup , line 160 |
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| 08:50 h01ger | moin |
| 08:53 stockholm | im warmen spanien? |
| 08:53 stockholm | wie war das, wann wollen die debconf9 halten? |
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| 09:04 tokkee | mikap: Ha! ;-) |
| 09:04 mikap | tokkee: 8-) |
| 09:06 h01ger | stockholm, mitte jul |
| 09:06 h01ger | y |
| 09:07 stockholm | das ist ja ziemlicher wahnsinn bei der hitze, oder? |
| Action: tokkee ist es etz schon zu warm ... ;-) |
| 09:19 stockholm | und, kann man die debconf dann nicht in eine jahreszeit legen zu der man sich noch wohlfühlt? |
| 09:23 h01ger | stockholm, nein, geht nicht. dann sind die unterkünfte belegt. cesar hats versucht, der weiss ja auch, wie warm es hier wird :) |
| 09:26 stockholm | ok |
| 09:34 Mrfai | h01ger: #497034 |
| 09:37 Mrfai | h01ger: 441804 |
| Action: h01ger looks |
| 09:41 h01ger | Mrfai, ist doch ein super bug :) |
| 09:48 oz_ | hm. my make-fai-nfsroot does not create an initrd, which causes fai-cd to fail |
| 09:49 oz_ | is that dependend on the kernel version in the nfsroot? |
| 09:49 stockholm | wie viele sind denn jetzt in extremadura von debian? |
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| 09:59 Mrfai | stockholm: 4 Leute: holger, mika, tokkee und ich |
| 10:00 Mrfai | oz_: please more details on your error messages |
| 10:01 oz_ | linux-image-2.6-486: Depends: linux-image-2.6.18-6-486 but it is not going to be installed |
| 10:01 oz_ | I'm now doing this on debian original |
| 10:03 h01ger | stockholm, von debian mehr, von fai wir 4 |
| 10:04 Mrfai | die vier Musketiere :-) |
| 10:04 Mrfai | Mist, waren ja nur drei |
| 10:10 oz_ | komische dependencies..."linux-image-486" in the NFSROOT File doesn't work, "linux-image-2.6.18-4-486" does. |
| 10:12 h01ger | linux-image-486 gibs halt nicht :) |
| 10:12 h01ger | linux-image-2.6-486 sollte es geben |
| 10:13 oz_ | linux-image-486 - Linux kernel image on x86 <- mein apt zeigts |
| 10:13 oz_ | *wunder* |
| 10:15 h01ger | "apt-cache policy linux-image-486" sagt was? |
| 10:15 h01ger | "rmadison linux-image-486" sagt nämlich nix |
| 10:15 h01ger | :) |
| 10:15 tokkee | linux-image-486 | 2.6.26+16 | unstable | i386 |
| 10:16 tokkee | h01ger: Uh? |
| 10:16 h01ger | kA |
| 10:16 tokkee | Aber hatl i386-only ;-) |
| Action: h01ger tried "rmadison linux-image-286" :) |
| 10:17 tokkee | What should we do about !amd64 !i386 architectures? |
| 10:18 tokkee | Those are basically untested, I suppose ... |
| 10:21 h01ger | tokkee, bugnr? |
| 10:22 h01ger | those arch work very fine with softupdates |
| 10:24 tokkee | h01ger: E.g. #494417 ... |
| Action: h01ger replied to the bug |
| 10:37 oz_ | h01ger: shall I paste the reply on my box? |
| 10:42 h01ger | oz_, von rmadision? |
| 10:42 h01ger | oz_, nö, danke :) |
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| Action: tokkee updates his Sid pbuilder chroot ... |
| 10:43 h01ger | http://newpeople.debian.org/~glandium/bts/f/fai.png - uiuiui ;) |
| 10:43 _spq | moin |
| 10:44 _spq | wie kann ich die fai version in nem nfs root rausfinden? |
| 10:44 Mrfai | chroot /srv/fai/nfsroot/live/filesystem.dir dpkg -l fai\* |
| 10:45 _spq | danke |
| 10:45 _spq | 3.1.8 ... hmm |
| 10:47 _spq | die changelog is ja schon recht lang... ^^ |
| 10:47 oz_ | Mrfai: [ -e .rhosts ] && chown $LOGUSER:$logusergid . .rhosts || true <- I added a blank after "-e .rhosts", then it did not complain anymore |
| 10:47 oz_ | fai-setup, line 160 |
| 10:50 stockholm | holger, mika, tokkee, Mrfai und wieviele von debian? |
| 10:51 mikap | stockholm: 12 leute von embedded-debian AFAICS |
| 10:51 stockholm | cool |
| 10:53 tokkee | oz_: Yeah - that space's required ... |
| 10:53 Mrfai | oz_: very old bug that is already fix! which old version are you using? :-) |
| 10:54 oz_ | fai FAI 3.2.8, 15 Jun 2008. Copyright (C) 1999-2008 Thomas Lange |
| 10:54 oz_ | *shrug* just updated today |
| 10:55 tokkee | About #497066: Is that patch applied already? Or is it waiting for some confirmation? |
| 10:55 tokkee | Either case would be nice to be documented in the bug report, i.e. pending or moreinfo tags. |
| 10:55 Mrfai | oz_: ok bug ist shcon was aelter, der fix nicht ganz so alt: |
| 10:55 _spq | hm, einer der server die ich neuinstallieren wollte ist nicht wieder hochgekommen, kann das daran liegen das er eth1 statt eth0 als main nic hat? (fai 3.1.8) |
| 10:55 Mrfai | * fai-setup: fix syntax error (closes: #488404) |
| 10:55 Mrfai | in 3.2.9 gefixt |
| 10:56 oz_ | ah |
| 10:56 oz_ | neuer komm ich mit etch nicht, ne? |
| 10:56 tokkee | Why does setup-harddisk ignore "WARNING: You are not superuser"? |
| 10:58 Mrfai | 3.2.9 sollte mit kleinen aenderungen auch mit etch laufen. s/lenny/etch/g |
| 11:00 oz_ | blöd, das die fai-cd mit 880M bissle über ner CD liegt... |
| 11:01 h01ger | squeeze! |
| 11:01 h01ger | ;) |
| 11:01 oz_ | how? |
| 11:01 mikap | squashfs wäre die lösung :) |
| 11:01 oz_ | die vielen x-server dinger fressen enorm |
| 11:01 stockholm | AXFS! |
| 11:02 _spq | ach und noch ne kleinigkeit - sind probleme mit bestimmten höherwertigen cisco switches bekannt die dazu führen das die rechner wärend des boot vorgangs keine dhcp anfragen rausschicken können? ich hab da so auto port negotiation zeugs im sinn als die übeltäter... |
| 11:02 h01ger | _spq, kaputtes netz ist ne beliebte fehlerursache, ja... |
| 11:02 h01ger | (oder 2 dhcp server im netz) |
| 11:02 oz_ | _spq: mit sind bestimmte höherwertige cisco admins bekannt, die da nen timeout so hoch setzen, das man kaum durchkommt... |
| 11:03 h01ger | (was halt eine untermenge von "kaputt" ist :) |
| 11:03 Mrfai | oz_: versuch mal gnome-desktop mit gnome-base zu ersetzen |
| 11:03 oz_ | Mrfai: werd ich gleich mal machen |
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| 11:04 Mrfai | _spq: ja hatte ich frueher auch. Bei cisco hilft sowas wie fastport. Ein dhcp relay/gateway kann auch probleme machen |
| 11:04 _spq | naja |
| 11:04 _spq | mit nem billig switch dazwischen funktionierts :) |
| 11:04 oz_ | gnome-base gibt hier nicht... |
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| 11:05 _spq | dieses fastport ist vermutlich eine einstellung die den portschneller aktiviert statt ne halbe std auf irgendwas zu warten? |
| 11:09 Mrfai | oz_: gnome-core, da fehlen dann aber viele sachen. Ich denke ich ewrde gnome-desktop-environment ersetzten durch gnomer-core und .... |
| 11:10 Mrfai | _spq: fastport disabled den spanning tree algorithmus |
| 11:10 _spq | falls sowas in ne faq passt: der link hier ist recht gut http://www.cisco.com/en/US/products/hw/switches/ps700/products_tech_note09186a00800b1500.shtml |
| 11:10 Mrfai | _spq: das wuerde gut ins wiki passen |
| 11:20 tokkee | .oO( FAI should use Git ... ;-)) |
| 11:21 h01ger | ja! |
| 11:21 h01ger | next year :) |
| 11:21 mikap | [x] signed ;) |
| Action: Mrfai will look at git after the bug count for FAI is down to zero ;-) |
| 11:24 oz_ | hm. gnome-desktop durch gnome-core zu ersetzen bringt grad mal 58M |
| 11:24 mikap | oz_: aber dann sollte evolution z.b. nicht mehr dabei sein, oder? |
| 11:25 oz_ | evolution-data-server is da |
| 11:25 mikap | örgs, wie kommt das rein? |
| 11:25 mikap | evolution-data-server zieht sch**** viel nach |
| 11:26 mikap | oz_: ahhhh, versuchs mal --without-recommends |
| 11:28 oz_ | wo gehört das '-without-recommends' hin? |
| 11:30 _spq | hmm, könnte jemand mit wiki rechten nen faq eintrag erstellen? unter http://faiwiki.informatik.uni-koeln.de/index.php/User_FAQ#More_technical_stuff_.2F_troubleshooting nen neuen Punkt: "NO DHCP/PXE communication during bootup" : The Spanning Tree Protocoll introduces a larger(~1minute) delay, on Cisco switches enabling the Fast Port option help. More Infos: shttp://www.cisco.com/en/US/products/hw/switches/ps700/products_tech_note09186a00800b1500.shtml |
| 11:31 h01ger | Mrfai, please fix 452375 too as you already removed the documentation for boot floppies in the guide :) |
| 11:32 tokkee | .oO( for bug in `bts select source:fai status:open`; do echo "" | mail $bug-done@bugs.debian.org; done |
| 11:32 tokkee | Okay, so we can switch to Git now ... ;-) |
| Action: tokkee runs ... |
| 11:32 mikap | tokkee: *ggg* |
| 11:33 mikap | tokkee: [x] done ;) |
| 11:34 oz_ | mikap: 13:28 < oz_> wo gehört das '-without-recommends' hin? |
| 11:35 mikap | oz_: ich schau grad |
| 11:35 tokkee | mikap: Great - let's go to the beach ... ;-) |
| 11:36 mikap | Apt::Install-Recommends muss man in apt.conf auf false setzen |
| 11:36 mikap | tokkee: alright, do you need some coffee as well? |
| 11:37 oz_ | mikap: naja... |
| 11:37 oz_ | ich glaub ich steig einfach auf DVDs um... :) |
| 11:37 h01ger | Mrfai, you are a DD and can upload any package to the archive. drink + dupload with responsebiliy |
| 11:37 tokkee | mikap, h01ger: Btw. - git://git.tokkee.org/fai.git - auto-synced four times a day ... |
| 11:38 mikap | tokkee: coooooooool |
| 11:38 tokkee | mikap, h01ger: In case you missed that ;-) |
| 11:38 mikap | cloned it now :) |
| 11:39 tokkee | mikap: Currently, it's manually synced more than four times a day ;-) |
| 11:41 mikap | tokkee: perfect :) |
| 11:42 mikap | tokkee: what are you using for syncing? git-svn? |
| 11:42 oz_ | hm. wasn't an nfsroot 50M in size in earlier days? |
| 11:42 oz_ | 331M /srv/fai/nfsroot |
| 11:42 oz_ | I wonder |
| 11:43 mikap | ~400MB nowadays, yeah |
| 11:43 h01ger | Mrfai, aus dem postinst von debian-edu-archive-keyring: (mind the edu!) |
| 11:43 h01ger | if [ -x /usr/bin/apt-key ]; then |
| 11:43 h01ger | # update only uses /usr/share/keyrings/debian-archive-*.gpg |
| 11:43 h01ger | #/usr/bin/apt-key update |
| 11:43 h01ger | /usr/bin/apt-key add /usr/share/keyrings/debian-edu-archive-keyring.gpg |
| 11:43 h01ger | fi |
| 11:43 h01ger | das postinst von debian-archive-keyring ruft nur "apt-key update" auf.. (siehe kommentar bei d-e-a-k) |
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| 11:45 tokkee | mikap: Yap. |
| 11:46 mikap | tokkee: nice, thx |
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| 12:31 _spq | hm, wie kann ich nen key installieren der für mein lokales debian repo notwendig ist? (zzt mache ich das manuell nach der installation, da wärend der installation zum glück die authentizität(SCHREIBT MAN DAS SO? :) nicht geprüft/ignoriert wird |
| 13:28 h01ger | _spq, http://paste.debian.net/16374/ |
| 13:30 tokkee | Mrfai: http://www.debian.org/Bugs/Developer#tags |
| 13:31 tokkee | pending - A solution to this bug has been found and an upload will be made soon. |
| 13:31 _spq | danke |
| 13:40 tokkee | Mrfai: This is an example of what I'm doing to tag some bug pending: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=494665#20 |
| 13:46 h01ger | "bts 123456 tag +pending" should probably also work :) |
| 13:47 tokkee | h01ger: "P.S.: no need to cc: me, I'm subscribed to the PTS :)" - then tell the bts to not include your email address in Reply-To: ;-P |
| 13:50 h01ger | hehe |
| 13:50 h01ger | tokkee, thats actually a real nice wishlist bug |
| 13:51 tokkee | h01ger: Ack - a) automatically subscribe the submitter and then b) don't set Reply-To at all ... |
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| 14:33 h01ger | Mrfai, why did you close 342352? (it was wontfix already) i was thinking of documenting this in the guide :) |
| 14:33 h01ger | </minor comment> |
| 14:35 tokkee | Hrm ... fai-quickstart.prerm _requires_ user interaction - that's kind of paradox ;-) |
| 14:41 h01ger | uh |
| 14:41 tokkee | "Package maintainer scripts may prompt the user if necessary. Prompting should be done by communicating through a program, such as debconf, which conforms to the Debian Configuration management specification, version 2 or higher. Prompting the user by other means, such as by hand[8], is now deprecated." |
| 14:41 tokkee | (Policy 3.9.1) |
| 14:45 tokkee | There are tons of bugs which are tagged "patch" but which did not even get any comment by Mrfai ... :-/ |
| 14:46 _spq | thats the problem of an easily extendable system :) |
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| 14:48 the | hi |
| 14:48 the | can anyone here help me in fai |
| 14:49 Mrfai | yep, maybe |
| 14:50 the | how can I setup this fai |
| 14:50 the | before this I try to use pxe |
| 14:50 the | but It wont work for me |
| 14:52 tokkee | "Source for fai is (unknown)." ... Uh!? |
| 14:52 tokkee | (from http://bugs.debian.org/464541) |
| 14:52 the | can I use fai on redhat or ubuntu |
| 14:54 the | Mrfai, hi |
| 14:55 h01ger | Mrfai, "Debian"(-based linux) is still part of the description and wrong. (think rpm) |
| 14:57 _spq | the, pxe is just a boot method - fai has nothing to do with that except thats it a nice thing together with fai |
| 14:57 the | is a network boot rite |
| 14:58 the | i want to install linux distro on 10 machine at 1 time |
| 14:58 h01ger | und ich würde "It contains the parts necessary to run the softupdate functionality on already installed systems, and is needed for the dirinstall functionality and others on a FAI server." umschreiben in "While fai-client is needed on a fai-server it can also be used on fai-clients without a server." - oder so ähnlich. im moment steht da nicht (am anfang) wofür fai-client hauptsächlich gut ist und was es macht... |
| 14:58 h01ger | Mrfai, ^ |
| 14:58 the | do you think fai can do this |
| 14:59 _spq | the, sure |
| 15:00 the | _sq, plz guide me |
| 15:00 the | _spq, guide me |
| 15:00 _spq | no ^^ |
| 15:00 h01ger | the, how about you read the guide first? |
| 15:00 h01ger | we write documentation for a reason :-D |
| 15:01 the | http://www.informatik.uni-koeln.de/fai/download/ |
| 15:01 the | ok no prob |
| 15:03 the | never mind |
| 15:03 the | :( |
| 15:03 the | thanks |
| 15:03 the | bye |
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| 15:12 _spq | hmm, ich würd gerne nen pxe+nfsroot rescue system aufsetzen, also so ähnlich wie das fai nfsroot, nur ohne fai - hat da jemand nen tip? |
| 15:13 Mrfai | fai mit action sysinfo |
| 15:13 Mrfai | du kannst auch eine eigene action rescue definieren |
| 15:14 _spq | hmm, naja wenn ich fai benutze hab ich immer angst das ausversehen doch mal was auf der hdd angerührt wird |
| 15:15 Mrfai | in jedem rescue system ist auc hein rm drin. deshalb werden aber auch nicht gleich alle Daten geloescht |
| 15:16 _spq | ne - das mein ich ja nich, aber fai macht ja schon ein bsichen magic - wenn ich mich beispielsweise bei der action vertippe wüsste ich nicht was fai macht etc |
| 15:16 tokkee | Mrfai: "add cfengine2 as recommends to fai-client (closers: #442843)" ... closers -> closes |
| 15:17 Mrfai | tokkee: fixt |
| 15:17 tokkee | Mrfai: Also, the bug mentions git-core, subversion, ... which is not taken into account by that fix nor mentioned in the bug report as being unnecessary ... |
| 15:43 tokkee | Anybody here you can reproduce #265973? |
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| 15:49 h01ger | tokkee, if you cannot reproduce it with a fresh setup, i'd suggest to close it. its from 2004 |
| 15:50 tokkee | h01ger: I don't want to try to reproduce it myself ... ;-) |
| 15:57 h01ger | mikap wants to do a setup from scratch, so he should notice when he does that |
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| 16:05 mikap | h01ger: i'd like to do that together with all of you :) |
| 16:06 h01ger | that scales badly, doenst it? |
| 16:06 mikap | h01ger: well, than someone together with me ;) i'm not the typical fai user, just a dirinstall-lover ;) |
| 16:08 h01ger | ok |
| 16:09 h01ger | guess i can do that with you (as a typical softupdate-lover), though on this side of the table we are running short on displays |
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| 16:48 tokkee | When running soft-update, where do I usually find the FAI config? |
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| 17:17 h01ger | tokkee, /me checks it out from svn |
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| 18:48 tokkee | Mrfai: http://172.30.14.142/~tokkee/0001-fai-mirror-Fixed-a-typo.patch |
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| 23:54 h01ger | tokkee, also completely unrelated, but while we are at it, the next upload of |
| 23:54 h01ger | syslinux will be splittet into syslinux (arch) and syslinux-common |
| 23:54 h01ger | (indep), so that the pure bootloader files can be access/installed on |
| 23:54 h01ger | any arch. |
| 23:54 h01ger | quoting http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=497270#39 |
| --- Fri Sep 5 2008 |
