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07:16 lazyb0y	n3kl: you not only need a correct kernel. an amd64 server will have an amd64 nfsroot
07:16 lazyb0y	and tzhat will not work with an i3865 kernel
07:16 lazyb0y	but it should be possible to make an i386 nfsroot on an amd64 system
07:17 lazyb0y	there is a line in the make-fai-nfsroot config that let's you set debootstrap options - i have no experience with amd64, but it should be possible to set the arch there
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08:53 stockholm	i have a few packages that put data and structure into postgresql during postinstall
08:53 stockholm	but postgresql is diverted during fai install.
08:53 stockholm	how do you guys handle such problems?
08:54 stockholm	those packages fail to install for that reason
09:09 stockholm	h01ger, lazyb0y, eartoast_ ?
09:10 h01ger	spammer
09:12 h01ger	anyway, why is it diverted`
09:12 h01ger	?
09:16 stockholm	postgres? because it is users start-stop-daemon and that one is replaced by fai?
09:16 stockholm	h01ger: i was cooking kaffee latte inbetween
09:16 stockholm	and cleaned the trashcan.
09:17 stockholm	and the breakfast table
09:17 stockholm	btw: who is comeing to the fai workshop in essen?
09:18 h01ger	then use a firstboot script and install the postgres packages and configs there. (=at the first boot after the fai installation)
09:18 stockholm	where can i find such a script?
09:19 stockholm	i would like to avoid all those errors that others did already :-)
09:19 stockholm	h01ger: starting postgres manually during installation is a bad idea?
09:21 h01ger	depends on your situation
09:21 h01ger	i find firstboot scripts easier and mroe straightforward
09:22 stockholm	h01ger: just trying to reinstall the failed packages you mean?
09:26 stockholm	h01ger: do you have one?
09:27 h01ger	no
09:27 h01ger	also because today i mostly use d-i and softupdates
09:27 h01ger	and there this problem doesnt exist
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10:38 lazyb0y	stockholm: fai does explicitly not run services at install time
10:39 lazyb0y	if I had to do things that need the services running, I'd probably put them "somewhere" (/root/posgresql-seed.sql?) and invoke a script at first startup
10:40 lazyb0y	or, like holger suggests, only do those things after the install, on the first softupdate might also be interesting (no matter if the base install is d-i or something else)
Nick change: oz___ -> oz_
10:47 h01ger	actually, on the first softupdate is better then on firstboot. less extra logic.
11:38 stockholm	h01ger, lazyb0y: now i am thinking of a softupdate at /etc/rc2.d/S99fai-softupdate, if the file /softupdate is there
11:39 stockholm	but isnt that a rather ugly solution? how can i keep packages from being installed at fai-installtime and keep them for a later softupdate?
11:44 h01ger	define a class SOFTUPDATE, use "PACKAGES install $CLASSNAME" there
12:10 stockholm	h01ger: ohhh, shiny!
12:12 stockholm	h01ger: and $Classname is CLASS_THAT_NEEDS_POSTRESS_TO_RUN_IN_ORDER_TO_WORK ?
12:15 h01ger	depends on your classes
Action: h01ger would use POSTGRESQL or such
12:21 stockholm	rather then POSTGRESS? :-)
12:22 stockholm	"install" is the same then "aptitude" in this case, right? /me searches in the fai-guide.pfs
12:24 h01ger	aptitude should work too
Action: juri_ would use SQLPOSTGRE. ;P
12:27 juri_	i think in reverse polish notation. they don't make a drug to cure that yet.
12:27 stockholm	juri_: you have our full compassion!
12:28 juri_	only actually, on my CDs, it would end up as "SERVERSQLPOSTGRE" :)
12:51 stockholm	the class SOFTUPDATE is defined during softupdates automatically?
12:56 stockholm	nix
12:58 stockholm	how can i detect if it is a softupdate that goes on?
12:59 stockholm	eartoast_: ?
Action: juri_ shrugs
13:05 h01ger	stockholm, search the bts, i filed a bug about this
13:07 lazyb0y	stockholm: "how can i detect if it is a softupdate that goes on?" : FAI_ACTION="softupdate"
13:08 lazyb0y	hmm, has anybody an idea what I am dealing with when screen output gets black with an USB install, after boot, and after the "warning beeps" at the begin of the install were to be heard?
13:08 stockholm	lazyb0y: ah, right.
13:09 juri_	lazyboy: you've tried hitting shift to wake the screen up, right? :)
13:10 lazyb0y	juri_: ;) - but no - :(
14:12 lazyb0y	hmm, seems that happens when some modules are being loaded...
14:13 lazyb0y	anybody experiences with faiing xseries?
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16:06 eartoast_	stockholm: FAI_ACTION
16:14 stockholm	lazyb0y: xseries? sun?
16:15 stockholm	lazyb0y: they use a raid adapter that pretends to be a floppy and fails to be installed on
16:15 lazyb0y	stockholm: ibm
16:15 h01ger	ITYM lenovo?
16:15 stockholm	ah THAT x series
16:16 lazyb0y	no, they only sold laptops and notebooks...
16:16 stockholm	oh, not THAT x series anyway
16:16 stockholm	there seem to me many of those
16:16 lazyb0y	erm, anything wrong with THAT?
16:16 stockholm	lazyb0y: no, not at all.
16:17 lazyb0y	should I better run if I just got the order to install these?
16:17 stockholm	there are just many x's in computing
16:17 h01ger	lazyboy, anyway, i did, whats the probem?
16:17 stockholm	you could run if you get those sun servers with x in
16:17 h01ger	+l
16:18 stockholm	or ask me :-)
16:18 stockholm	it works here now
16:18 lazyb0y	:)
16:18 lazyb0y	anyway, grml seems to boot nice, but a fai usb / cd, just after loding modules, just a second before the "I'm gonna install now" warning beep, the screen goes blank
16:19 lazyb0y	I guess I'm better off going to get the net install setup up and running...
16:19 lazyb0y	I just thought, I could "quickly" test if generall install with example config works nice while getting the final config right.
16:20 lazyb0y	h01ger: any horrible stuff to expect here?
16:21 lazyb0y	it's x3650
16:21 h01ger	3650?
Action: h01ger only knows some xseries modells, but not that one
16:24 lazyb0y	:)
16:24 lazyb0y	brand new stuff
16:26 lazyb0y	probably hard to know all those models...
17:02 stockholm
17:04 lazyb0y	stockholm: ?
17:33 stockholm	lazyb0y: ich denke über essen nach.
17:33 stockholm	lazyb0y: wer kommt denn da?
17:33 stockholm	oder wird das eine lizenzfragenschlammschlacht?
17:34 h01ger	stockholm, fährst du nach .ar?
17:36 stockholm	h01ger: nee, co2, geld, zeit
17:36 h01ger	ah. wo du co2 sagst, erinnere ich mich
17:37 stockholm	doof das.
17:37 h01ger	nextes jahr kannst du bahn fahn
17:37 stockholm	was war das leben einfach 2004
17:37 stockholm	da habe ich darüber garnicht nachgedacht.
17:37 stockholm	ja. :-)
Action: h01ger schon und es trotzdem gemacht ;)
17:38 stockholm	und dieses jahr wieder. :-)
17:39 stockholm	ich glaube wenn ich das angebot mit debian day und marketing team früher gekriegt hätte hätte ich noch anders drüber gedacht
17:39 h01ger	ja. für jeden windows rechner, der durch einen linuxrechner ersetzt wird, darf ich 400km fliegen und bleib co2 neutral ;)
17:39 h01ger	ist es denn schon zu spät?
17:39 stockholm	ja
17:39 h01ger	ah
17:40 stockholm	inzwischen ist die sommerplanung mit allem drum und drann gelaufen.
Action: h01ger nickt
17:41 stockholm	sigrids job macht es auch nicht leichter
17:41 stockholm	weil die halt immer noch sehr sehr viel arbeitet
19:25 stockholm	what is the opposite of "softupdate"? :-)
19:28 stockholm	i need to define a opposite class for SOFTUPDATE and need a good name
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20:35 leehartley	anyone here?
20:35 leehartley	i get Mounting aufs on /root failed: no such device error
20:35 leehartley	i emailed the list, but thought i would see if anyone here knew
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21:56 h01ger	stockholm, INSTALL?
21:56 h01ger	hi sepski :)
21:56 sepski	h01ger,  :)
22:03 stockholm	FAI_ACTION="install"; if [ "X$FAI_ACTION" != "Xsoftupdate" ] ; then  echo $FAI_ACTION; echo "softupdate" ; fi
22:03 stockholm	FAI_ACTION="install"; if [ "X$FAI_ACTION" != "Xsoftupdate" ] ; then  echo $FAI_ACTION; echo "softupdate" install
22:03 stockholm	softupdate
22:04 stockholm	hu?
22:04 stockholm	how did that paste work out that way?
22:04 stockholm	let me try again:
22:04 stockholm	FAI_ACTION="install"; if [ "X$FAI_ACTION" != "Xsoftupdate" ] ; then  echo $FAI_ACTION; echo "softupdate" ; fi
22:04 stockholm	and that prints
22:04 stockholm	install
22:05 stockholm	softupdate
22:05 stockholm	and i get exactly the same for == or =
22:05 stockholm	the syntax looks right to me
22:08 stockholm	and why does this work?
22:08 stockholm	FAI_ACTION="install"; if [ $FAI_ACTION = softupdate ] ; then  echo $FAI_ACTION; echo "softupdate" ; fi
22:09 h01ger	stockholm, did you search the bts for my bug about this?
22:09 stockholm	i did, and did not find anything
22:09 stockholm	i sarched both for softupdate and holger
22:10 stockholm	what is the bug?
22:10 h01ger	http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=313440
Action: h01ger sighs. 2005
22:12 stockholm	has anyone considered a fork?
22:12 h01ger	hai
22:12 h01ger	holger automated infrastructure
22:12 h01ger	+s
22:12 h01ger	:)
22:12 stockholm	so?
22:12 h01ger	but thomas is also really good at maintaining fai
22:12 stockholm	i guess you would have plenty of fans
22:12 stockholm	he lacks people skills
22:13 h01ger	he is very conservative in changing fai (which is also good), and he puts a _lot_ of time in this
22:14 stockholm	well, if he put less time in it himself and let others contribute more there would be a breal even at some point.
22:14 stockholm	break even, even
Action: h01ger is too busy and to little bothered
22:15 h01ger	i can fix this in my configspace i dont even have to run the fork
22:16 h01ger	s/run the/create a/
22:16 h01ger	but i'd liked fai softupdates capabilities much much more "marketed" ("being done marketing for") = more developed, more advertized
22:17 h01ger	more emphasized, thats the word
22:17 stockholm	sure.
22:17 stockholm	not just that
22:19 h01ger	stockholm, svn/fai/branches/people/stockholm/ - please do
22:19 h01ger	if you have something interesting and proof its working, thomas is happy to take it
22:20 stockholm	sure.
22:21 stockholm	since this is marketing releated it would fall under my jurisdiction :-)
22:21 stockholm	haha
22:21 h01ger	i should do the same with a fai guide written in a wiki like wiki.debian.org/debian-edu/Documentation/Etch, which "becomes" packages.qa.debian.org/debian-edu-doc - but i dont have the time. to show thomas this is better. which i know it is. but he doesnt believe me until i show it with the fai guide. he doesnt believe it from the debian-edu-doc. i dont have the time to provide this "demo" (or fork) (and also not the need. fai works for me.) but its sti
22:21 h01ger	ll a pity
22:22 h01ger	debian-edu-doc is now translated to five languages.
22:22 stockholm	he is shoveling fais grave
22:22 h01ger	i now even have "hope" (i think its possible) to have a more or less update version for lenny _very soon_. becomes distribuuted doc-development in a wiki is fast.
22:22 stockholm	its quite obvious
22:22 h01ger	no
22:23 h01ger	its big in clusters.
22:23 h01ger	it is
22:23 h01ger	and elsewhere. as said, i can workaround fai's limitations in my configspace easily
22:23 stockholm	haveing a project prosper is about building a community around it.
22:23 stockholm	you drive people away by frustrating them
22:23 stockholm	you yourself used plenty of frustrated words in the last ten minutes
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22:25 stockholm	so do many others i talk to
22:26 stockholm	oh well
22:30 h01ger	i do think thomas is doing a very good job not always hunting the latest trends. but.
22:30 h01ger	anway
22:30 h01ger	stockholm, have you looked at puppet? many people are using it now, where i always think "i'd do that with fai". but thats because i know fai. i wonder if puppet is better or if its that the development is more open?
22:30 h01ger	and probably not only "looked" :)
23:30 stockholm	h01ger: i actually did NOT look at puppet because i wanted to use the debian way
23:31 stockholm	h01ger: still awake?
23:32 h01ger	sort of
23:32 stockholm	your [ $ROOTCOMMAND ] patch does not seem to work properly.
23:32 stockholm	or i broke something
23:33 stockholm	i guess i did, but why do i have a "FAI_" class?
23:52 h01ger	did you replace $ROOTCOMMAND with $ROOTCMD ?
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