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[07:16] <lazyb0y> n3kl: you not only need a correct kernel. an amd64 server will have an amd64 nfsroot
[07:16] <lazyb0y> and tzhat will not work with an i3865 kernel
[07:16] <lazyb0y> but it should be possible to make an i386 nfsroot on an amd64 system
[07:17] <lazyb0y> there is a line in the make-fai-nfsroot config that let's you set debootstrap options - i have no experience with amd64, but it should be possible to set the arch there
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[08:53] <stockholm> i have a few packages that put data and structure into postgresql during postinstall
[08:53] <stockholm> but postgresql is diverted during fai install.
[08:53] <stockholm> how do you guys handle such problems?
[08:54] <stockholm> those packages fail to install for that reason
[09:09] <stockholm> h01ger, lazyb0y, eartoast_ ?
[09:10] <h01ger> spammer
[09:12] <h01ger> anyway, why is it diverted`
[09:12] <h01ger> ?
[09:16] <stockholm> postgres? because it is users start-stop-daemon and that one is replaced by fai?
[09:16] <stockholm> h01ger: i was cooking kaffee latte inbetween
[09:16] <stockholm> and cleaned the trashcan.
[09:17] <stockholm> and the breakfast table
[09:17] <stockholm> btw: who is comeing to the fai workshop in essen?
[09:18] <h01ger> then use a firstboot script and install the postgres packages and configs there. (=at the first boot after the fai installation)
[09:18] <stockholm> where can i find such a script?
[09:19] <stockholm> i would like to avoid all those errors that others did already :-)
[09:19] <stockholm> h01ger: starting postgres manually during installation is a bad idea?
[09:21] <h01ger> depends on your situation
[09:21] <h01ger> i find firstboot scripts easier and mroe straightforward
[09:22] <stockholm> h01ger: just trying to reinstall the failed packages you mean?
[09:26] <stockholm> h01ger: do you have one?
[09:27] <h01ger> no
[09:27] <h01ger> also because today i mostly use d-i and softupdates
[09:27] <h01ger> and there this problem doesnt exist
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[10:38] <lazyb0y> stockholm: fai does explicitly not run services at install time
[10:39] <lazyb0y> if I had to do things that need the services running, I'd probably put them "somewhere" (/root/posgresql-seed.sql?) and invoke a script at first startup 
[10:40] <lazyb0y> or, like holger suggests, only do those things after the install, on the first softupdate might also be interesting (no matter if the base install is d-i or something else)
[10:41] Nick change: oz___ -> oz_
[10:47] <h01ger> actually, on the first softupdate is better then on firstboot. less extra logic.
[11:38] <stockholm> h01ger, lazyb0y: now i am thinking of a softupdate at /etc/rc2.d/S99fai-softupdate, if the file /softupdate is there
[11:39] <stockholm> but isnt that a rather ugly solution? how can i keep packages from being installed at fai-installtime and keep them for a later softupdate?
[11:44] <h01ger> define a class SOFTUPDATE, use "PACKAGES install $CLASSNAME" there
[12:10] <stockholm> h01ger: ohhh, shiny!
[12:12] <stockholm> h01ger: and $Classname is CLASS_THAT_NEEDS_POSTRESS_TO_RUN_IN_ORDER_TO_WORK ?
[12:15] <h01ger> depends on your classes
[12:15] Action: h01ger would use POSTGRESQL or such
[12:21] <stockholm> rather then POSTGRESS? :-)
[12:22] <stockholm> "install" is the same then "aptitude" in this case, right? /me searches in the fai-guide.pfs
[12:24] <h01ger> aptitude should work too
[12:27] Action: juri_ would use SQLPOSTGRE. ;P
[12:27] <juri_> i think in reverse polish notation. they don't make a drug to cure that yet.
[12:27] <stockholm> juri_: you have our full compassion!
[12:28] <juri_> only actually, on my CDs, it would end up as "SERVERSQLPOSTGRE" :)
[12:51] <stockholm> the class SOFTUPDATE is defined during softupdates automatically?
[12:56] <stockholm> nix
[12:58] <stockholm> how can i detect if it is a softupdate that goes on?
[12:59] <stockholm> eartoast_: ?
[13:03] Action: juri_ shrugs
[13:05] <h01ger> stockholm, search the bts, i filed a bug about this
[13:07] <lazyb0y> stockholm: "how can i detect if it is a softupdate that goes on?" : FAI_ACTION="softupdate"
[13:08] <lazyb0y> hmm, has anybody an idea what I am dealing with when screen output gets black with an USB install, after boot, and after the "warning beeps" at the begin of the install were to be heard?
[13:08] <stockholm> lazyb0y: ah, right.
[13:09] <juri_> lazyboy: you've tried hitting shift to wake the screen up, right? :)
[13:10] <lazyb0y> juri_: ;) - but no - :(
[14:12] <lazyb0y> hmm, seems that happens when some modules are being loaded...
[14:13] <lazyb0y> anybody experiences with faiing xseries?
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[16:06] <eartoast_> stockholm: FAI_ACTION
[16:14] <stockholm> lazyb0y: xseries? sun?
[16:15] <stockholm> lazyb0y: they use a raid adapter that pretends to be a floppy and fails to be installed on
[16:15] <lazyb0y> stockholm: ibm
[16:15] <h01ger> ITYM lenovo?
[16:15] <stockholm> ah THAT x series
[16:16] <lazyb0y> no, they only sold laptops and notebooks...
[16:16] <stockholm> oh, not THAT x series anyway
[16:16] <stockholm> there seem to me many of those
[16:16] <lazyb0y> erm, anything wrong with THAT?
[16:16] <stockholm> lazyb0y: no, not at all.
[16:17] <lazyb0y> should I better run if I just got the order to install these?
[16:17] <stockholm> there are just many x's in computing
[16:17] <h01ger> lazyboy, anyway, i did, whats the probem?
[16:17] <stockholm> you could run if you get those sun servers with x in
[16:17] <h01ger> +l
[16:18] <stockholm> or ask me :-)
[16:18] <stockholm> it works here now
[16:18] <lazyb0y> :)
[16:18] <lazyb0y> anyway, grml seems to boot nice, but a fai usb / cd, just after loding modules, just a second before the "I'm gonna install now" warning beep, the screen goes blank
[16:19] <lazyb0y> I guess I'm better off going to get the net install setup up and running... 
[16:19] <lazyb0y> I just thought, I could "quickly" test if generall install with example config works nice while getting the final config right.
[16:20] <lazyb0y> h01ger: any horrible stuff to expect here?
[16:21] <lazyb0y> it's x3650 
[16:21] <h01ger> 3650?
[16:21] Action: h01ger only knows some xseries modells, but not that one
[16:24] <lazyb0y> :)
[16:24] <lazyb0y> brand new stuff
[16:26] <lazyb0y> probably hard to know all those models...
[17:02] <stockholm> 
[17:04] <lazyb0y> stockholm: ?
[17:33] <stockholm> lazyb0y: ich denke über essen nach.
[17:33] <stockholm> lazyb0y: wer kommt denn da?
[17:33] <stockholm> oder wird das eine lizenzfragenschlammschlacht?
[17:34] <h01ger> stockholm, fährst du nach .ar?
[17:36] <stockholm> h01ger: nee, co2, geld, zeit
[17:36] <h01ger> ah. wo du co2 sagst, erinnere ich mich
[17:37] <stockholm> doof das.
[17:37] <h01ger> nextes jahr kannst du bahn fahn
[17:37] <stockholm> was war das leben einfach 2004
[17:37] <stockholm> da habe ich darüber garnicht nachgedacht.
[17:37] <stockholm> ja. :-)
[17:38] Action: h01ger schon und es trotzdem gemacht ;)
[17:38] <stockholm> und dieses jahr wieder. :-)
[17:39] <stockholm> ich glaube wenn ich das angebot mit debian day und marketing team früher gekriegt hätte hätte ich noch anders drüber gedacht
[17:39] <h01ger> ja. für jeden windows rechner, der durch einen linuxrechner ersetzt wird, darf ich 400km fliegen und bleib co2 neutral ;)
[17:39] <h01ger> ist es denn schon zu spät?
[17:39] <stockholm> ja
[17:39] <h01ger> ah
[17:40] <stockholm> inzwischen ist die sommerplanung mit allem drum und drann gelaufen.
[17:40] Action: h01ger nickt
[17:41] <stockholm> sigrids job macht es auch nicht leichter
[17:41] <stockholm> weil die halt immer noch sehr sehr viel arbeitet
[19:25] <stockholm> what is the opposite of "softupdate"? :-)
[19:28] <stockholm> i need to define a opposite class for SOFTUPDATE and need a good name
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[20:35] <leehartley> anyone here?
[20:35] <leehartley> i get Mounting aufs on /root failed: no such device error
[20:35] <leehartley> i emailed the list, but thought i would see if anyone here knew
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[21:56] <h01ger> stockholm, INSTALL?
[21:56] <h01ger> hi sepski :)
[21:56] <sepski> h01ger,  :)
[22:03] <stockholm> FAI_ACTION="install"; if [ "X$FAI_ACTION" != "Xsoftupdate" ] ; then  echo $FAI_ACTION; echo "softupdate" ; fi
[22:03] <stockholm> FAI_ACTION="install"; if [ "X$FAI_ACTION" != "Xsoftupdate" ] ; then  echo $FAI_ACTION; echo "softupdate" install
[22:03] <stockholm> softupdate
[22:04] <stockholm> hu?
[22:04] <stockholm> how did that paste work out that way?
[22:04] <stockholm> let me try again:
[22:04] <stockholm> FAI_ACTION="install"; if [ "X$FAI_ACTION" != "Xsoftupdate" ] ; then  echo $FAI_ACTION; echo "softupdate" ; fi
[22:04] <stockholm> and that prints
[22:04] <stockholm> install
[22:05] <stockholm> softupdate
[22:05] <stockholm> and i get exactly the same for == or =
[22:05] <stockholm> the syntax looks right to me
[22:08] <stockholm> and why does this work?
[22:08] <stockholm> FAI_ACTION="install"; if [ $FAI_ACTION = softupdate ] ; then  echo $FAI_ACTION; echo "softupdate" ; fi
[22:09] <h01ger> stockholm, did you search the bts for my bug about this?
[22:09] <stockholm> i did, and did not find anything
[22:09] <stockholm> i sarched both for softupdate and holger
[22:10] <stockholm> what is the bug?
[22:10] <h01ger> http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=313440
[22:11] Action: h01ger sighs. 2005
[22:12] <stockholm> has anyone considered a fork?
[22:12] <h01ger> hai
[22:12] <h01ger> holger automated infrastructure
[22:12] <h01ger> +s
[22:12] <h01ger> :)
[22:12] <stockholm> so?
[22:12] <h01ger> but thomas is also really good at maintaining fai
[22:12] <stockholm> i guess you would have plenty of fans
[22:12] <stockholm> he lacks people skills
[22:13] <h01ger> he is very conservative in changing fai (which is also good), and he puts a _lot_ of time in this
[22:14] <stockholm> well, if he put less time in it himself and let others contribute more there would be a breal even at some point.
[22:14] <stockholm> break even, even
[22:15] Action: h01ger is too busy and to little bothered
[22:15] <h01ger> i can fix this in my configspace i dont even have to run the fork
[22:16] <h01ger> s/run the/create a/
[22:16] <h01ger> but i'd liked fai softupdates capabilities much much more "marketed" ("being done marketing for") = more developed, more advertized
[22:17] <h01ger> more emphasized, thats the word
[22:17] <stockholm> sure. 
[22:17] <stockholm> not just that
[22:19] <h01ger> stockholm, svn/fai/branches/people/stockholm/ - please do
[22:19] <h01ger> if you have something interesting and proof its working, thomas is happy to take it
[22:20] <stockholm> sure.
[22:21] <stockholm> since this is marketing releated it would fall under my jurisdiction :-)
[22:21] <stockholm> haha
[22:21] <h01ger> i should do the same with a fai guide written in a wiki like wiki.debian.org/debian-edu/Documentation/Etch, which "becomes" packages.qa.debian.org/debian-edu-doc - but i dont have the time. to show thomas this is better. which i know it is. but he doesnt believe me until i show it with the fai guide. he doesnt believe it from the debian-edu-doc. i dont have the time to provide this "demo" (or fork) (and also not the need. fai works for me.) but its sti
[22:21] <h01ger> ll a pity
[22:22] <h01ger> debian-edu-doc is now translated to five languages.
[22:22] <stockholm> he is shoveling fais grave 
[22:22] <h01ger> i now even have "hope" (i think its possible) to have a more or less update version for lenny _very soon_. becomes distribuuted doc-development in a wiki is fast.
[22:22] <stockholm> its quite obvious
[22:22] <h01ger> no
[22:23] <h01ger> its big in clusters.
[22:23] <h01ger> it is
[22:23] <h01ger> and elsewhere. as said, i can workaround fai's limitations in my configspace easily
[22:23] <stockholm> haveing a project prosper is about building a community around it.
[22:23] <stockholm> you drive people away by frustrating them
[22:23] <stockholm> you yourself used plenty of frustrated words in the last ten minutes
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[22:25] <stockholm> so do many others i talk to
[22:26] <stockholm> oh well
[22:30] <h01ger> i do think thomas is doing a very good job not always hunting the latest trends. but.
[22:30] <h01ger> anway
[22:30] <h01ger> stockholm, have you looked at puppet? many people are using it now, where i always think "i'd do that with fai". but thats because i know fai. i wonder if puppet is better or if its that the development is more open? 
[22:30] <h01ger> and probably not only "looked" :)
[23:30] <stockholm> h01ger: i actually did NOT look at puppet because i wanted to use the debian way
[23:31] <stockholm> h01ger: still awake?
[23:32] <h01ger> sort of
[23:32] <stockholm> your [ $ROOTCOMMAND ] patch does not seem to work properly.
[23:32] <stockholm> or i broke something
[23:33] <stockholm> i guess i did, but why do i have a "FAI_" class? 
[23:52] <h01ger> did you replace $ROOTCOMMAND with $ROOTCMD ?
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