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| 12:30 stockholm | hat schon mal jemand ein paket in apt-proxy's cache durch ein anderes ersetzt und dann das Packages.gz neu gebaut damit es alte paket ersetzt? |
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| 12:35 stockholm | kann man einfach das Packages.gz editieren und die md5 etc summe ersetzen? |
| 12:35 stockholm | und den genauen namen? |
| 12:43 lazyb0y | stockholm: das klingt alles irgendwie ziemlich krank... |
| 12:44 lazyb0y | (koennte aber gehen) |
| 12:44 lazyb0y | wieso machst DU das Paket, was Du ersetzen willst, nicht in ein eigenes Repository, mit einer hoeheren versionsnummer? |
| 12:50 stockholm | das hat schon eine höhere versionsnummer |
| 12:50 stockholm | lazyb0y: weil apt-proxy das schöne apt-proxy-import hat das pakete einfach in den cache importieren kann |
| 12:51 stockholm | es funktioniert tatsächlich. ich habe das aus apt-cache show apt grösstenteisl (ausser dem packetpfad) übernommen, weil auch die dependencies sich geändert haben |
| 12:52 stockholm | aber es wäre schöner wenn man gezieht mit apt-cache-import auch gleich packete in die packages.gz reinspleissen könnte. |
| 13:40 oz_ | stockholm: naja...also mich würd schon interessiern, warum du nicht nen einfachereren weg gehst |
| 14:24 stockholm | oz_: ich möchte dass die anderen die den debmirror benutzen auch das apt automatisch mitinstallieren ohne dass sie ein neues repository hinzufügen müssen |
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| 14:29 stockholm | oz_: ich habe ca 30 benutzer hinter dem gleichen debmirror, die das auch kriegen sollen |
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| 14:55 oz_ | stockholm: hm. /me is not convinced. ;) |
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| 15:22 admindealer | Hello.. anybody alive here? |
| 15:25 oz_ | *ping* read the topic - dont ask to ask, just ask |
| 15:26 admindealer | i have one doubt, i am newbie to fai and planning to use it in my work to install some debian servers, how do i do with dhcp server it needs, if in my network there is already other dhcp server? |
| 15:28 oz_ | do you have admin access to this server? |
| 15:31 admindealer | you mean to the fai server? |
| 15:31 admindealer | or to the dhcp server that already exists in the network? |
| 15:32 oz_ | the dhcp server |
| 15:33 admindealer | yes |
| 15:33 oz_ | just add the missing things to the dhcp config |
| 15:34 admindealer | er.. what do you mean by the missing things? |
| 15:35 admindealer | the problem i see is that i would have two dhcp servers in the same network |
| 15:35 admindealer | (the one that already exists and the one that is installed in the fai server) |
| 15:35 oz_ | no, just add the fai thingies to the existing server |
| 15:35 oz_ | the fai server and the dhcp server are 2 different things |
| 15:36 admindealer | i know |
| 15:36 admindealer | but i have them in the same machine |
| 15:36 oz_ | no problem! :) |
| 15:38 admindealer | mm |
| 15:39 admindealer | if i isolate my servers using a switch |
| 15:39 admindealer | and puting the server and the clients |
| 15:39 admindealer | i should change make-fai-nfsroot, fai.conf |
| 15:40 admindealer | ./etc/exports and what else? |
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| 15:54 kazamatzuri | hi |
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| 16:06 kazamatzuri | do i have to active a certain switch in the config somewhere to stop a client from installing over and over? |
| 16:06 kazamatzuri | s/active/activate/ |
| 16:07 oz_ | kazamatzuri: just boot from the localdisk? |
| 16:08 kazamatzuri | after install, yes |
| 16:08 kazamatzuri | i already set -o default |
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| 16:15 oz_ | strange |
| 16:15 kazamatzuri | if i understood the documentation right, it will reboot if the reboot flag is set but installing again. to prevent this i'd have to manually set the boot to localboot with fai-chboot? |
| 16:15 oz_ | no, there is no switch to do that |
| 16:15 kazamatzuri | isn't this supposed to do that automagically? |
| 16:16 oz_ | depends on the BIOS settings, too |
| 16:16 kazamatzuri | hm ok |
| 16:16 kazamatzuri | in the bios i set network only. that could be a problem |
| 16:17 oz_ | many board can do a network boot by pressing F12 or F8 during BIOS init |
| 16:17 oz_ | I set the defaul boot device to the HDD |
| 16:17 kazamatzuri | but shouldn't it recognize an already finished installation and do a localboot instead of recommencing installation? |
| 16:17 oz_ | and I (or some co-admin) presses FX, if one want to do a fresh installation |
| 16:18 kazamatzuri | hm ok. I thought it should to that on its own |
| 16:18 oz_ | kazamatzuri: FAI cannot change BIOS settings |
| 16:18 oz_ | .o0(yet?) |
| 16:18 kazamatzuri | hehe |
| 16:19 kazamatzuri | the documenatation says in 5.9 that it should be booting from local hardisk automatically after installing |
| 16:19 oz_ | in 5.9? |
| 16:20 kazamatzuri | if i change that in the bios settings, the client will never check the network boot again and i can't deploy updates to the running systems? |
| 16:20 oz_ | kazamatzuri: you can tune grub to do a network boot, to |
| 16:21 oz_ | and the also is some fai-softupdate |
| 16:21 lazyb0y | kazamatzuri: what does fai-chboot -l say for your host? |
| 16:21 oz_ | both could be interesting to you |
| 16:21 kazamatzuri | lazyb0y: install vmlinuz-install |
| 16:22 lazyb0y | sometimes, a broken ssh key setup leads to the problem, that fai-chboot cannot be called at the end of the install |
| 16:22 lazyb0y | this seems to be the case for you |
| 16:22 lazyb0y | has nothing to do with bios settings |
| 16:22 kazamatzuri | lazyb0y: ah, ok that gives me some lead. grand |
| 16:22 lazyb0y | the -o default only comes into play, if there is no other explicit boot config for your host |
| 16:23 lazyb0y | can you ssh from the nfsroot to you fai server? |
| 16:23 kazamatzuri | the install-environments try to call fai-chboot on the server? |
| 16:23 lazyb0y | do you have any logs of the installation on your fai server? |
| 16:23 oz_ | lazyb0y: I never used fai-chboot, and BIOS does set the boot device, doesn't it? |
| 16:24 kazamatzuri | i have the logs. but i think you're right. i guess the ssh-keys from the nfsroot should be authorized to run log into the server? |
| 16:24 lazyb0y | yes, after a successfull install, at the same time when logs are saved onto the logserver(which is most often the same as the fai server), fai calls fai-chboot to disable the install config for that host |
| 16:24 lazyb0y | the pxe config file is then moved to <hexhostid>.diabled |
| 16:24 kazamatzuri | ok super. thanks a lot, that seems to be the problem |
| 16:25 lazyb0y | oz_: it's in multiple places |
| 16:25 lazyb0y | the bios is the first place where you tell your system from what to boot |
| 16:26 lazyb0y | but in a pxe config (which is the stuff set up with fai-chboot), you can tell as system, once the biuos tries to boot it from the network card (or etherboot), that it should still use the local disk |
| 16:26 lazyb0y | or, point the system to a place where it can get a kernel and initrd via tftp |
| 16:27 oz_ | lazyb0y: yes, that's also possible. |
| 16:27 oz_ | so BIOS plays a role doesn't it? |
| 16:28 kazamatzuri | lazyb0y: i hadn't had any ssh-keys setup for the nfsroot. i'm commencing a new installation now, but i seems logically that this was my mistake. thanks for the hint |
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| 16:29 lazyb0y | oz_: the current problem has nothing to do with BIOS settings. |
| 16:29 lazyb0y | if you never used fai-chboot, you should not talkk about it - unless you read it's docs, and played with it a bit |
| 16:30 oz_ | hey, I'm just trying to help. In the beginning that wasn't clear. |
| 16:31 oz_ | and I did not talk about it in the first place. |
| 16:31 oz_ | you should stop flaming. |
| Action: oz_ will be quiet for a while |
| 16:31 kazamatzuri | don't get into a fight just about me ;) |
| 16:31 kazamatzuri | maybe my question wasn't clearly enough, sorry for that |
| 16:32 oz_ | kazamatzuri: don't mind. ;) |
| 16:40 kazamatzuri | ah yeah, grand. it works now. i already feared i'd had to switch all of those manually (120 boxes in 3 rooms...) |
| 16:44 lazyb0y | kazamatzuri: did you now manually switch the stuff with fai-chboot? or was ist the ssh problem and you solved it? |
| 16:45 kazamatzuri | it was the ssh problem |
| 16:45 kazamatzuri | i just created new keys, put them in nfsroot/root/.ssh and added them on the server to authorized... |
| 16:46 kazamatzuri | now i'm finally able to kick that damn rembo-toolkit outta the window |
| 16:47 oz_ | cheers, kazamatzuri |
| 17:09 lazyb0y | kazamatzuri: wasn't rembo some stuff to install windows and deploy software? something like unattend and wnpp together? |
| 17:09 kazamatzuri | yup |
| 17:09 kazamatzuri | we wrote a little mini-linux to deploy a gentoo setup as well |
| 17:10 kazamatzuri | but fai seemed worth a try |
| 17:10 lazyb0y | aha |
| 17:11 lazyb0y | so, you will install gentoo with FAI? |
| 17:11 lazyb0y | and windows? |
| 17:12 lazyb0y | or did you only modify rembo to just do the gentoo stuff, no interested in the windows stuff? |
| 17:20 kazamatzuri | we had windows originally |
| 17:20 kazamatzuri | but during the semester we disabled it |
| 17:20 kazamatzuri | no need for it anymore |
| 17:21 kazamatzuri | the only ones using windows are same basic math courses for teachers and those apps run quite fine in vmware |
| 17:21 lazyb0y | kazamatzuri: good news :) |
| 17:21 kazamatzuri | so we're able to get rid of that overhead. |
| 17:22 kazamatzuri | and i'm going to deploy a debian. to continue deploying gentoo, i wouldn't need to switch |
| 17:23 lazyb0y | kazamatzuri: only thing I'd still be interested in windows installations with fai is the goo ol' quest for world domination :) if evn windows is installed by FAI, we're quite next to that |
| 17:23 kazamatzuri | hehe |
| 17:23 lazyb0y | kazamatzuri: it should not bee too hard to deploy gentoo with fai! |
| 17:23 kazamatzuri | no, sure enough. but we wanna switch gentoo |
| 17:24 kazamatzuri | it's not excatly the easiest of a distribution and since i'm soon to be finished with my diploma, no one's gonna be there to support it anymore |
| 17:24 kazamatzuri | there a lot more debian guys out there |
| 17:25 kazamatzuri | and then, there's the troubles with the foundation of gentoo, too |
| 17:25 lazyb0y | and debian's better anyway :) |
| 17:26 kazamatzuri | it's not a question of better or worse. with distributions nowadays it's just about taste ;) |
| 17:26 kazamatzuri | just like women, some like blonds, some like brunettes... ;) |
| 17:27 lazyb0y | my interest in gentoo os also only related to the world dom stuff - i hate it since it's manual installer deleted all(about 5) partitions with test installation of some distributions, because it didn't like the rescue partition on a thinkpad and sort of thought "hmm, I don't like the stuff on the end of the disk - so I better clean it up alltogether before doing anything else" |
| 17:27 lazyb0y | yes, and it depends on what you need... |
| 17:28 kazamatzuri | gentoo's manual installer = user aka you ;) |
| 17:28 kazamatzuri | i've never used an installer for gentoo. |
| 17:28 lazyb0y | I admin, there seem to be some guys doing good things with it :) |
| 17:29 kazamatzuri | :) it's just about taste. linux is linux, regardless of distribution ... ok, not talking about suse here ... *G |
| 17:29 lazyb0y | yes, I heard that already when telling the same story "what - you did start the curses setup script? nobody uses it, it's completely untested" |
| 17:30 kazamatzuri | i prefer gentoo at my desktop, but debian for the servers (especially xen-boxes) |
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| 19:58 allee | fai 3.2.4 merge for hardy can't write to / . mount output at http://paste.debian.net/49045 Anyone sees what's wrong? |
| 20:04 allee | mhmm, i can create new files in /etc/ and then modify them but not modify existing one ... |
| 20:09 allee | more mhhm, in line 5,6 /live/{image,cow} is mounted and later in line 8 just /live which should shadow the 2 mounts /life/* ... strange |
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