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[11:25] allee (~ach@allee.mpe.mpg.de) returned to #fai. [11:25] tokkee (tokkee@ssh.faui2k3.org) returned to #fai. [11:25] eartoast (~glaweh@ssh.physik.fu-berlin.de) returned to #fai. [11:25] thpo (~thpo@dotrc.de) returned to #fai. [11:25] glance (glance@montezuma.acc.umu.se) returned to #fai. [11:25] Bluemoon (mj@altf4.org) returned to #fai. [11:28] pll (~user@c-76-24-131-239.hsd1.ma.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [11:40] pll (~user@c-76-24-131-239.hsd1.ma.comcast.net) joined #fai. [12:02] ErKa (keryell@160.98.153.40) left irc: Ping timeout: 480 seconds [12:30] hat schon mal jemand ein paket in apt-proxy's cache durch ein anderes ersetzt und dann das Packages.gz neu gebaut damit es alte paket ersetzt? [12:31] MT (~MT@dove.informatik.tu-muenchen.de) left irc: Ping timeout: 480 seconds [12:35] kann man einfach das Packages.gz editieren und die md5 etc summe ersetzen? [12:35] und den genauen namen? [12:43] stockholm: das klingt alles irgendwie ziemlich krank... [12:44] (koennte aber gehen) [12:44] wieso machst DU das Paket, was Du ersetzen willst, nicht in ein eigenes Repository, mit einer hoeheren versionsnummer? [12:50] das hat schon eine höhere versionsnummer [12:50] lazyb0y: weil apt-proxy das schöne apt-proxy-import hat das pakete einfach in den cache importieren kann [12:51] es funktioniert tatsächlich. ich habe das aus apt-cache show apt grösstenteisl (ausser dem packetpfad) übernommen, weil auch die dependencies sich geändert haben [12:52] aber es wäre schöner wenn man gezieht mit apt-cache-import auch gleich packete in die packages.gz reinspleissen könnte. [13:40] stockholm: naja...also mich würd schon interessiern, warum du nicht nen einfachereren weg gehst [14:24] oz_: ich möchte dass die anderen die den debmirror benutzen auch das apt automatisch mitinstallieren ohne dass sie ein neues repository hinzufügen müssen [14:27] glance (glance@montezuma.acc.umu.se) left irc: Server closed connection [14:27] glance (~glance@montezuma.acc.umu.se) joined #fai. [14:29] oz_: ich habe ca 30 benutzer hinter dem gleichen debmirror, die das auch kriegen sollen [14:43] eartoast (~glaweh@ssh.physik.fu-berlin.de) left irc: Server closed connection [14:44] eartoast (~glaweh@ssh.physik.fu-berlin.de) joined #fai. [14:55] stockholm: hm. /me is not convinced. ;) [14:57] Action: stockholm either [15:22] admindealer (~admindeal@200.75.143.166) joined #fai. [15:22] Hello.. anybody alive here? [15:25] *ping* read the topic - dont ask to ask, just ask [15:26] i have one doubt, i am newbie to fai and planning to use it in my work to install some debian servers, how do i do with dhcp server it needs, if in my network there is already other dhcp server? [15:28] do you have admin access to this server? [15:31] you mean to the fai server? [15:31] or to the dhcp server that already exists in the network? [15:32] the dhcp server [15:33] yes [15:33] just add the missing things to the dhcp config [15:34] er.. what do you mean by the missing things? [15:35] the problem i see is that i would have two dhcp servers in the same network [15:35] (the one that already exists and the one that is installed in the fai server) [15:35] no, just add the fai thingies to the existing server [15:35] the fai server and the dhcp server are 2 different things [15:36] i know [15:36] but i have them in the same machine [15:36] no problem! :) [15:38] mm [15:39] if i isolate my servers using a switch [15:39] and puting the server and the clients [15:39] i should change make-fai-nfsroot, fai.conf [15:40] ./etc/exports and what else? [15:54] kazamatzuri (~kazamatzu@pinky.flightmare.net) joined #fai. [15:54] hi [16:00] admindealer (~admindeal@200.75.143.166) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [16:06] do i have to active a certain switch in the config somewhere to stop a client from installing over and over? [16:06] s/active/activate/ [16:07] kazamatzuri: just boot from the localdisk? [16:08] after install, yes [16:08] i already set -o default [16:12] MT (~MT@16.106.113.82.net.de.o2.com) joined #fai. [16:15] strange [16:15] if i understood the documentation right, it will reboot if the reboot flag is set but installing again. to prevent this i'd have to manually set the boot to localboot with fai-chboot? [16:15] no, there is no switch to do that [16:15] isn't this supposed to do that automagically? [16:16] depends on the BIOS settings, too [16:16] hm ok [16:16] in the bios i set network only. that could be a problem [16:17] many board can do a network boot by pressing F12 or F8 during BIOS init [16:17] I set the defaul boot device to the HDD [16:17] but shouldn't it recognize an already finished installation and do a localboot instead of recommencing installation? [16:17] and I (or some co-admin) presses FX, if one want to do a fresh installation [16:18] hm ok. I thought it should to that on its own [16:18] kazamatzuri: FAI cannot change BIOS settings [16:18] .o0(yet?) [16:18] hehe [16:19] the documenatation says in 5.9 that it should be booting from local hardisk automatically after installing [16:19] in 5.9? [16:20] if i change that in the bios settings, the client will never check the network boot again and i can't deploy updates to the running systems? [16:20] kazamatzuri: you can tune grub to do a network boot, to [16:21] and the also is some fai-softupdate [16:21] kazamatzuri: what does fai-chboot -l say for your host? [16:21] both could be interesting to you [16:21] lazyb0y: install vmlinuz-install [16:22] sometimes, a broken ssh key setup leads to the problem, that fai-chboot cannot be called at the end of the install [16:22] this seems to be the case for you [16:22] has nothing to do with bios settings [16:22] lazyb0y: ah, ok that gives me some lead. grand [16:22] the -o default only comes into play, if there is no other explicit boot config for your host [16:23] can you ssh from the nfsroot to you fai server? [16:23] the install-environments try to call fai-chboot on the server? [16:23] do you have any logs of the installation on your fai server? [16:23] lazyb0y: I never used fai-chboot, and BIOS does set the boot device, doesn't it? [16:24] i have the logs. but i think you're right. i guess the ssh-keys from the nfsroot should be authorized to run log into the server? [16:24] yes, after a successfull install, at the same time when logs are saved onto the logserver(which is most often the same as the fai server), fai calls fai-chboot to disable the install config for that host [16:24] the pxe config file is then moved to .diabled [16:24] ok super. thanks a lot, that seems to be the problem [16:25] oz_: it's in multiple places [16:25] the bios is the first place where you tell your system from what to boot [16:26] but in a pxe config (which is the stuff set up with fai-chboot), you can tell as system, once the biuos tries to boot it from the network card (or etherboot), that it should still use the local disk [16:26] or, point the system to a place where it can get a kernel and initrd via tftp [16:27] lazyb0y: yes, that's also possible. [16:27] so BIOS plays a role doesn't it? [16:28] lazyb0y: i hadn't had any ssh-keys setup for the nfsroot. i'm commencing a new installation now, but i seems logically that this was my mistake. thanks for the hint [16:28] MT (~MT@16.106.113.82.net.de.o2.com) left irc: Ping timeout: 480 seconds [16:29] oz_: the current problem has nothing to do with BIOS settings. [16:29] if you never used fai-chboot, you should not talkk about it - unless you read it's docs, and played with it a bit [16:30] hey, I'm just trying to help. In the beginning that wasn't clear. [16:31] and I did not talk about it in the first place. [16:31] you should stop flaming. [16:31] Action: oz_ will be quiet for a while [16:31] don't get into a fight just about me ;) [16:31] maybe my question wasn't clearly enough, sorry for that [16:32] kazamatzuri: don't mind. ;) [16:40] ah yeah, grand. it works now. i already feared i'd had to switch all of those manually (120 boxes in 3 rooms...) [16:44] kazamatzuri: did you now manually switch the stuff with fai-chboot? or was ist the ssh problem and you solved it? [16:45] it was the ssh problem [16:45] i just created new keys, put them in nfsroot/root/.ssh and added them on the server to authorized... [16:46] now i'm finally able to kick that damn rembo-toolkit outta the window [16:47] cheers, kazamatzuri [17:09] kazamatzuri: wasn't rembo some stuff to install windows and deploy software? something like unattend and wnpp together? [17:09] yup [17:09] we wrote a little mini-linux to deploy a gentoo setup as well [17:10] but fai seemed worth a try [17:10] aha [17:11] so, you will install gentoo with FAI? [17:11] and windows? [17:12] or did you only modify rembo to just do the gentoo stuff, no interested in the windows stuff? [17:20] we had windows originally [17:20] but during the semester we disabled it [17:20] no need for it anymore [17:21] the only ones using windows are same basic math courses for teachers and those apps run quite fine in vmware [17:21] kazamatzuri: good news :) [17:21] so we're able to get rid of that overhead. [17:22] and i'm going to deploy a debian. to continue deploying gentoo, i wouldn't need to switch [17:23] kazamatzuri: only thing I'd still be interested in windows installations with fai is the goo ol' quest for world domination :) if evn windows is installed by FAI, we're quite next to that [17:23] hehe [17:23] kazamatzuri: it should not bee too hard to deploy gentoo with fai! [17:23] no, sure enough. but we wanna switch gentoo [17:24] it's not excatly the easiest of a distribution and since i'm soon to be finished with my diploma, no one's gonna be there to support it anymore [17:24] there a lot more debian guys out there [17:25] and then, there's the troubles with the foundation of gentoo, too [17:25] and debian's better anyway :) [17:26] it's not a question of better or worse. with distributions nowadays it's just about taste ;) [17:26] just like women, some like blonds, some like brunettes... ;) [17:27] my interest in gentoo os also only related to the world dom stuff - i hate it since it's manual installer deleted all(about 5) partitions with test installation of some distributions, because it didn't like the rescue partition on a thinkpad and sort of thought "hmm, I don't like the stuff on the end of the disk - so I better clean it up alltogether before doing anything else" [17:27] yes, and it depends on what you need... [17:28] gentoo's manual installer = user aka you ;) [17:28] i've never used an installer for gentoo. [17:28] I admin, there seem to be some guys doing good things with it :) [17:29] :) it's just about taste. linux is linux, regardless of distribution ... ok, not talking about suse here ... *G [17:29] yes, I heard that already when telling the same story "what - you did start the curses setup script? nobody uses it, it's completely untested" [17:30] i prefer gentoo at my desktop, but debian for the servers (especially xen-boxes) [18:49] ErKa (~keryell@168-25.2-85.cust.bluewin.ch) joined #fai. [19:02] blblack_ (~brandon@wasabi.dtmf.com) left irc: Server closed connection [19:02] blblack (~brandon@wasabi.dtmf.com) joined #fai. [19:12] ErKa (~keryell@168-25.2-85.cust.bluewin.ch) left irc: Ping timeout: 480 seconds [19:58] fai 3.2.4 merge for hardy can't write to / . mount output at http://paste.debian.net/49045 Anyone sees what's wrong? [20:04] mhmm, i can create new files in /etc/ and then modify them but not modify existing one ... [20:09] more mhhm, in line 5,6 /live/{image,cow} is mounted and later in line 8 just /live which should shadow the 2 mounts /life/* ... strange [20:22] MT (~MT@091-141-024-103.dyn.one.at) joined #fai. [20:40] MT (~MT@091-141-024-103.dyn.one.at) left irc: Ping timeout: 480 seconds [21:19] kugg (~kugg@1-1-1-48a.mdp.mlm.bostream.se) joined #fai. [22:05] Bluemoon (mj@altf4.org) left irc: Server closed connection [22:05] Bluemoon (mj@altf4.org) joined #fai. [22:55] ErKa (~keryell@168-25.2-85.cust.bluewin.ch) joined #fai. [00:00] --- Wed Feb 13 2008