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| 08:17 spq` | where do i get the repo's pkey? |
| 08:26 spq` | gpg --keyserver hkp://subkeys.pgp.net --recv-keys DC13E54EAB9B66FD |
| 08:26 spq` | ? |
| 08:27 spq` | works but, i still get the message W: GPG error: http://www.informatik.uni-koeln.de etch Release: The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY DC13E54EAB9B66FD |
| 08:28 h01ger | wiki.debian.org/SecureApt |
| 08:29 h01ger | the key is also part of the debian-keyring package, which you can install securily with apt-get. so you have a full trust path |
| 08:29 spq` | hmm |
| 08:30 spq` | i have that package installed and i have a good trust db |
| 08:30 spq` | debian-keyring is already the newest version. |
| 08:30 spq` | (und du kannst deutsch sprechen :) |
| 08:31 h01ger | du hast angefangen :-D |
| 08:31 spq` | :) |
| 08:31 h01ger | lies dir die SecureApt seite durch |
| 08:32 h01ger | oder man apt-key |
| 08:32 h01ger | oder beides |
| 08:32 spq` | hab ich schon, binaber nicht fuendlig geworden |
| 08:32 spq` | -l |
| 08:33 spq` | es geht ja nicht um das debian repo, sondern um das fai eigene repo |
| 08:33 h01ger | http://wiki.skolelinux.no/DebianEdu/Documentation/Etch/HowTo/Administration#head-136bb7e75e07e8b6463e6b30761ac51776c5c27d - das ist zwar fuern anderes repo, aber so gehts |
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| 08:37 spq` | ah ok, danke - dachte das waere auch zu ueberspringen, wenn man mit apt-key arbeitet |
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| 08:58 oz_ | moin |
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| 11:15 Mrfai | Uuuf. I solved the "short read 0< 28" problem. |
| 11:16 Mrfai | The order of the kernel parameters root=/dev/nfs and boot=live is important. |
| 11:17 Mrfai | Do not define boot=live and then root=/dev/nfs. It does not work. I will post more details on the linux-fai mailing list |
| 11:23 MT | Mrfai, this confirms lazyb0y's findings in Essen for Xen, as documented at the end of http://faiwiki.debian.net/index.php/Using_FAI_to_set_up_XEN_domains |
| 11:26 Mrfai | it does not just confirm it, it will explain why it behaves so badly :-) |
| 11:27 MT | isn't this some kind of bug in live-initramfs? |
| 11:29 Mrfai | no. It's in initramfs-tools |
| 11:30 MT | ok |
| 11:30 MT | is it documented in the BTS already? |
| 11:30 MT | that is, is a bug filed against initramfs-tools? |
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| 14:13 h01ger | MT, #453294 |
| 14:15 MT | thx |
| 14:15 istaz | hi |
| 14:16 istaz | if I understood correctly you can boot on your nfsroot via a cd created by fai-cd correct? |
| 14:22 lazyb0y | istaz: no, you cannot |
| 14:22 lazyb0y | that is the part that is not yet developed. |
| 14:22 istaz | ok thanks |
| 14:22 lazyb0y | but, as I told you, might be developerd faster if you tell the developers that you need that! |
| 14:23 istaz | so what is the boot=nfs Mrfai was talking about yesterday? it's not functionnal? |
| 14:23 lazyb0y | what fai-cd dies is, it builds a cd with the _contents_ of the nfsroot, and the needed packages, and install from that |
| 14:24 lazyb0y | istaz: this is about pxe boot in general, AFAIK |
| 14:24 lazyb0y | or, nfs boot in general - xen instances don't have pxe yet |
| 14:24 lazyb0y | fai-cd does, not dies :) |
| 14:24 Mrfai | stop,stop. |
| 14:24 lazyb0y | ? |
| 14:25 Mrfai | using the fai-cd iso image from the fai webpage you _can_ boot the kernel and initrd and using the nfsroot mounted via NFS |
| 14:26 Mrfai | this fa-cd still includes the nfsroot and the config space which isn't needed because you will use NFS. |
| 14:26 lazyb0y | Mrfai: how? is that documented somewhere? |
| 14:26 lazyb0y | (besides that: great news to me! :) ) |
| 14:26 Mrfai | You only have to edit the kernel append parameters and add ip=dhcp and root=/dev/nfs and check if the order is correct |
| 14:27 Mrfai | so, in the next version the menu.lst for the fai-cd will include an entry for network boot. |
| 14:27 lazyb0y | Mrfai: then, fai-cd should also contain some option to only create a cd with such a menu.lst - will build faster than when it includes a lot of package that are not needed :) |
| 14:28 lazyb0y | (in this new/next version) |
| 14:28 Mrfai | lazyb0y: sure, this is my plan. |
| 14:28 istaz | Mrfai: thanks :) |
| Action: lazyb0y added that in the wiki for the 3.2 usage changes: http://faiwiki.informatik.uni-koeln.de/index.php?title=FAI_3.2_Usage_Changes |
| 14:33 Mrfai | lazyb0y: fine. Thanks |
| 14:34 istaz | make-fai-bootcd should be removed if it doesn't work, or at least it should display a warning |
| 14:36 oz_ | istaz: we hope to fix it |
| 14:37 istaz | to resolve the problem with unionfs I should change the kernel in the nfsroot right? |
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| 14:48 Mrfai | istaz: the kernel inside the nfsroot must match the kernel on your boot media. |
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| 15:08 istaz | Mrfai so the fai-cd on the website can only install Debian Etch? |
| 15:10 Mrfai | yep. |
| 15:10 Mrfai | It only contains packages for etch. |
| 15:11 Mrfai | BTW, FAI itself was not tested on lenny by me. So I assume there are some flaws when using it with lenny or sid. |
| 15:11 istaz | Mrfai: I'm not using Debian but Ubuntu Gutsy ;) |
| 15:12 Mrfai | ok. I heared of some minor problems with gutsy. I hope the ubuntu guys here will give an answer. |
| 15:12 istaz | so if I keep the kernel I currently have in my nfsroot it doesn't work but if I try to change it, the CD won't boot and I can't make a new one. Seem like a deadlock to me |
| 15:13 Mrfai | There's no deadlock IMO. |
| 15:14 Mrfai | IIRC gutsy kernel and unionfs does not work. Blame ubuntu for it and hope that they will fix it. |
| 15:14 Mrfai | You may want to use a Debian nfsroot, but install Ubuntu with it. |
| 15:15 Mrfai | This should work. Or try to install the debian kernel inside your gutsy nfsroot |
| 15:15 istaz | Mrfai: by Debian nfsroot you mean a nfsroot with debian in it or a Debian server hosting a nfsroot ? |
| Action: istaz is a bit confused |
| 15:16 istaz | I don't understand if the unionfs problem is in the hosting server, in the nfsroot or in the bootmedia |
| 15:16 Mrfai | BTW, a college of mine here in cologne also told me to have problems when installing gutsy. |
| 15:17 Mrfai | AFAIK, unionfs and NFS is beoken in gutsy. |
| 15:18 Mrfai | ttps://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux-ubuntu-modules-2.6.22/+bug/150788 |
| 15:20 istaz | my bosses want to reinstall the serveur under feisty (the previous release of ubuntu) but if the problem is in the nfsroot it won't resolve anything |
| 15:21 Mrfai | istaz: a feisty nfsroot should work IMO. |
| 15:23 istaz | yeah but they want to install gutsy |
| 15:25 Mrfai | use a feisty nfsroot and boot a feisty kernel. Then replace the feisty base.tgz inside the nfsroot with a gutsy base.tgz. Adjust the sources.lsit. That should work. |
| 15:25 Mrfai | Or pay someone to fix the gutsy problem, so that FAI will work out of the box on gutsy. |
| 15:26 Mrfai | FAI cannot work out-of-the-box on different system, if noone is doing the tests and pachtes for it. And I will concentrate on Debian. |
| 15:26 Mrfai | But there's the FAI ubuntu team. https://launchpad.net/~fai |
| 15:27 istaz | Mrfai: As I understand I could fix the gutsy problem simply by changing the union-fs version and recompiling the kernel, but then I couldn't make a boot media since make-fai-bootfloppy doesn't work |
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| 15:28 istaz | that's why I was speaking of a deadlock |
| 15:28 istaz | or I really didn't undertsood anything |
| 15:29 Mrfai | you have to use fai-cd for making the bootable CD. Just edit /etc/fai/menu.lst before and give it an empty directory as mirror. |
| 15:30 Mrfai | it still will include the nfsroot on the CD, but will not use it, since you will specify root=/dev/nfs ip=dhcp |
| 15:37 lazyb0y | istaz: your going in a circle asking the same question again... please try the gutsy stuff, and come with concrete questions... as far as I see, we should be able to get you to a working install. and remember, make-fai-bootfloppy is deprecated on fai >= 3.2, but you can use fai-cd to replace it, at least for cd's, not for floppies |
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| 15:47 istaz | lazyb0y: It seems like I had wrongly understood that I couldn't use fai-cd to replace make-fai-bootfloppy to create a boot CD |
| Action: istaz will try what Mrfai suggested |
| 15:58 lazyb0y | istaz: yes - not your fault, I told that, because I didn#t know better until an hour ago - sorry... |
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