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[08:26] gpg --keyserver hkp://subkeys.pgp.net --recv-keys DC13E54EAB9B66FD [08:26] ? [08:27] works but, i still get the message W: GPG error: http://www.informatik.uni-koeln.de etch Release: The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY DC13E54EAB9B66FD [08:28] wiki.debian.org/SecureApt [08:29] the key is also part of the debian-keyring package, which you can install securily with apt-get. so you have a full trust path [08:29] hmm [08:30] i have that package installed and i have a good trust db [08:30] debian-keyring is already the newest version. [08:30] (und du kannst deutsch sprechen :) [08:31] du hast angefangen :-D [08:31] :) [08:31] lies dir die SecureApt seite durch [08:32] oder man apt-key [08:32] oder beides [08:32] hab ich schon, binaber nicht fuendlig geworden [08:32] -l [08:33] es geht ja nicht um das debian repo, sondern um das fai eigene repo [08:33] http://wiki.skolelinux.no/DebianEdu/Documentation/Etch/HowTo/Administration#head-136bb7e75e07e8b6463e6b30761ac51776c5c27d - das ist zwar fuern anderes repo, aber so gehts [08:37] itais (~itais@62.81.119.138.static.user.ono.com) joined #fai. [08:37] ah ok, danke - dachte das waere auch zu ueberspringen, wenn man mit apt-key arbeitet [08:40] ErKa (keryell@m2.wifi.enstb.org) joined #fai. [08:53] Mrfai (~lange@kueppers.informatik.uni-koeln.de) joined #fai. [08:58] moin [09:21] stockhol1 (~andreas@petrus.schuldei.org) joined #fai. 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I will post more details on the linux-fai mailing list [11:23] Mrfai, this confirms lazyb0y's findings in Essen for Xen, as documented at the end of http://faiwiki.debian.net/index.php/Using_FAI_to_set_up_XEN_domains [11:26] it does not just confirm it, it will explain why it behaves so badly :-) [11:27] isn't this some kind of bug in live-initramfs? [11:29] no. It's in initramfs-tools [11:30] ok [11:30] is it documented in the BTS already? [11:30] that is, is a bug filed against initramfs-tools? [12:17] ErKa (keryell@m2.wifi.enstb.org) left irc: Ping timeout: 480 seconds [13:12] ErKa (~keryell@keryell.pck.nerim.net) joined #fai. [13:22] MT (~MT@dove.informatik.tu-muenchen.de) left irc: Ping timeout: 480 seconds [13:24] Nick change: stockhol1 -> stockholm [13:35] MT (~MT@dove.informatik.tu-muenchen.de) joined #fai. [13:45] MT (~MT@dove.informatik.tu-muenchen.de) left irc: Ping timeout: 480 seconds [13:48] itais (~itais@62.81.119.138.static.user.ono.com) left irc: Quit: See you [13:57] Mrfai (~lange@suenner.informatik.uni-koeln.de) left irc: Ping timeout: 480 seconds [13:58] MT (~MT@dove.informatik.tu-muenchen.de) joined #fai. [14:08] Mrfai (~lange@suenner.informatik.uni-koeln.de) joined #fai. [14:13] MT, #453294 [14:15] thx [14:15] hi [14:16] if I understood correctly you can boot on your nfsroot via a cd created by fai-cd correct? [14:22] istaz: no, you cannot [14:22] that is the part that is not yet developed. [14:22] ok thanks [14:22] but, as I told you, might be developerd faster if you tell the developers that you need that! [14:23] so what is the boot=nfs Mrfai was talking about yesterday? it's not functionnal? [14:23] what fai-cd dies is, it builds a cd with the _contents_ of the nfsroot, and the needed packages, and install from that [14:24] istaz: this is about pxe boot in general, AFAIK [14:24] or, nfs boot in general - xen instances don't have pxe yet [14:24] fai-cd does, not dies :) [14:24] stop,stop. [14:24] ? [14:25] using the fai-cd iso image from the fai webpage you _can_ boot the kernel and initrd and using the nfsroot mounted via NFS [14:26] this fa-cd still includes the nfsroot and the config space which isn't needed because you will use NFS. [14:26] Mrfai: how? is that documented somewhere? [14:26] (besides that: great news to me! :) ) [14:26] You only have to edit the kernel append parameters and add ip=dhcp and root=/dev/nfs and check if the order is correct [14:27] so, in the next version the menu.lst for the fai-cd will include an entry for network boot. [14:27] Mrfai: then, fai-cd should also contain some option to only create a cd with such a menu.lst - will build faster than when it includes a lot of package that are not needed :) [14:28] (in this new/next version) [14:28] lazyb0y: sure, this is my plan. [14:28] Mrfai: thanks :) [14:32] Action: lazyb0y added that in the wiki for the 3.2 usage changes: http://faiwiki.informatik.uni-koeln.de/index.php?title=FAI_3.2_Usage_Changes [14:33] lazyb0y: fine. Thanks [14:34] make-fai-bootcd should be removed if it doesn't work, or at least it should display a warning [14:36] istaz: we hope to fix it [14:37] to resolve the problem with unionfs I should change the kernel in the nfsroot right? [14:42] fai-guy (~fai-guy@p57B99B09.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) joined #fai. [14:48] istaz: the kernel inside the nfsroot must match the kernel on your boot media. [14:52] Nick change: MT -> Guest580 [14:52] MT_ (~MT@dove.informatik.tu-muenchen.de) joined #fai. [14:52] Nick change: MT_ -> MT [14:52] Guest580 (~MT@dove.informatik.tu-muenchen.de) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [14:57] MT (~MT@dove.informatik.tu-muenchen.de) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [14:57] MT (~MT@dove.informatik.tu-muenchen.de) joined #fai. [15:08] Mrfai so the fai-cd on the website can only install Debian Etch? [15:10] yep. [15:10] It only contains packages for etch. [15:11] BTW, FAI itself was not tested on lenny by me. So I assume there are some flaws when using it with lenny or sid. [15:11] Mrfai: I'm not using Debian but Ubuntu Gutsy ;) [15:12] ok. I heared of some minor problems with gutsy. I hope the ubuntu guys here will give an answer. [15:12] so if I keep the kernel I currently have in my nfsroot it doesn't work but if I try to change it, the CD won't boot and I can't make a new one. Seem like a deadlock to me [15:13] There's no deadlock IMO. [15:14] IIRC gutsy kernel and unionfs does not work. Blame ubuntu for it and hope that they will fix it. [15:14] You may want to use a Debian nfsroot, but install Ubuntu with it. [15:15] This should work. Or try to install the debian kernel inside your gutsy nfsroot [15:15] Mrfai: by Debian nfsroot you mean a nfsroot with debian in it or a Debian server hosting a nfsroot ? [15:15] Action: istaz is a bit confused [15:16] I don't understand if the unionfs problem is in the hosting server, in the nfsroot or in the bootmedia [15:16] BTW, a college of mine here in cologne also told me to have problems when installing gutsy. [15:17] AFAIK, unionfs and NFS is beoken in gutsy. [15:18] ttps://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux-ubuntu-modules-2.6.22/+bug/150788 [15:20] my bosses want to reinstall the serveur under feisty (the previous release of ubuntu) but if the problem is in the nfsroot it won't resolve anything [15:21] istaz: a feisty nfsroot should work IMO. [15:23] yeah but they want to install gutsy [15:25] use a feisty nfsroot and boot a feisty kernel. Then replace the feisty base.tgz inside the nfsroot with a gutsy base.tgz. Adjust the sources.lsit. That should work. [15:25] Or pay someone to fix the gutsy problem, so that FAI will work out of the box on gutsy. [15:26] FAI cannot work out-of-the-box on different system, if noone is doing the tests and pachtes for it. And I will concentrate on Debian. [15:26] But there's the FAI ubuntu team. https://launchpad.net/~fai [15:27] Mrfai: As I understand I could fix the gutsy problem simply by changing the union-fs version and recompiling the kernel, but then I couldn't make a boot media since make-fai-bootfloppy doesn't work [15:28] freepenguin (~andrew@host42-125-dynamic.3-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) joined #fai. [15:28] that's why I was speaking of a deadlock [15:28] or I really didn't undertsood anything [15:29] you have to use fai-cd for making the bootable CD. Just edit /etc/fai/menu.lst before and give it an empty directory as mirror. [15:30] it still will include the nfsroot on the CD, but will not use it, since you will specify root=/dev/nfs ip=dhcp [15:37] istaz: your going in a circle asking the same question again... please try the gutsy stuff, and come with concrete questions... as far as I see, we should be able to get you to a working install. and remember, make-fai-bootfloppy is deprecated on fai >= 3.2, but you can use fai-cd to replace it, at least for cd's, not for floppies [15:37] freepenguin (~andrew@host42-125-dynamic.3-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [15:45] spq` (~spq@dslb-088-077-205-044.pools.arcor-ip.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 480 seconds [15:47] lazyb0y: It seems like I had wrongly understood that I couldn't use fai-cd to replace make-fai-bootfloppy to create a boot CD [15:47] Action: istaz will try what Mrfai suggested [15:58] istaz: yes - not your fault, I told that, because I didn#t know better until an hour ago - sorry... 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