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| 00:36 sobersabre | hi, what is the reason for such errors: http://paste.debian.net/43540 ? |
| 00:36 sobersabre | is there a way to "upgrade" the partition table ? |
| 00:36 MT | /dev/hda1 63 92171519 92171457 7 HPFS/NTFS |
| 00:37 MT | the reason is usually M$ or the like |
| 00:37 MT | in such cases I always use --force |
| 00:37 MT | export sfdisk="--force" |
| 00:37 MT | in some class/*.var file (as appropriate) |
| 00:37 sobersabre | MT, I have used the fai installation already. |
| 00:38 sobersabre | and it had no such problem so far. |
| 00:38 MT | hmm, strange |
| 00:38 sobersabre | it's maybe a different HD model on that machine, which reports a different C/H/S conf. |
| 00:39 sobersabre | but. still, the partition table I am creating in fai config/disk_config/CLASSNAME is C/H/S independent |
| 00:40 sobersabre | MT, where do I add this option: export sfdisk="--force" |
| 00:40 MT | in some .var file in the class directory |
| 00:40 sobersabre | oh, ok. |
| 00:40 MT | choose (or create) an appropriate one |
| 00:40 sobersabre | I have it. |
| 00:41 sobersabre | shall it be: |
| 00:41 sobersabre | SFDISK="--force" ? |
| 00:41 sobersabre | or small case ? |
| 00:42 MT | just as I posted above |
| 00:42 MT | export sfdisk="--force" |
| 00:42 sobersabre | ok! |
| 00:42 MT | at least, that's what I use |
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| 17:01 istaz | hey |
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| 17:01 istaz | has someone managed to use FAI with Ubuntu Gutsy ? |
| 17:01 istaz | I think I have hit the problem with UnionFS |
| 17:01 istaz | how can I resolve it? |
| Action: oz_ just tries to do the same |
| 17:04 istaz | I'm starting to lose all my hair :/ |
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| 17:04 oz_ | take it easy... |
| 17:05 istaz | if I make a new Fai Cd from Gutsy I get a "cannot open root device nfs" blablabla |
| 17:05 oz_ | to be honest...I wonder why something like ubuntu is useful anyway. ;) |
| 17:05 oz_ | istaz: "blablabla" has to be checked! |
| 17:06 oz_ | and "blablabla" are a bit bad manners, if you want real help. |
| 17:06 istaz | and if I use my old Feisty Cd to install Gutsy, FAI start but the filesystem is read only :/ |
| 17:06 istaz | oz_: sorry I didn't want to sound rude |
| 17:07 oz_ | Feisty Gutsy... |
| 17:07 oz_ | Describe your problem a bit more orderly, please |
| 17:08 oz_ | LABEL Ubuntu-fai MENU LABEL ubuntu, new install method KERNEL ubuntu-kernel APPEND break=mount root=/dev/nfs nfsroot=192.168.1.50:/srv/fai/nfsroot.ubuntu file=ubuntu.seed boot=nfs oem-config/enable=true initrd=ubuntu.img <- I'm going with this ATM |
| 17:08 istaz | I had working FAI installation for Dapper and Feisty (I wasn't the one who set them up) |
| 17:08 istaz | and I'm trying to update the whole thing to Gutsy |
| 17:09 lazyb0y | istaz: what exactlky are you doing, and how? what is your base/server OS? Which FAI Versione are you using? |
| 17:10 lazyb0y | the ubuntu fai maintainers seem to be a nbit silent these days, but I tested the fai indtsll-cd creation some time before the release, and it worked quite well... |
| 17:10 lazyb0y | apart from that, there seems to be a long thread on the user mailing list about problems with gutsy - did you check that? |
| 17:10 istaz | Server is Ubuntu Gutsy 7.10 Kernel 2.6.22-14-server |
| 17:11 istaz | FAI version 3.2.1-0ubuntu1 |
| 17:11 oz_ | lazyb0y: on gutsy? |
| 17:11 istaz | hum no FAI version is 3.2.1-0ubuntu2~ppa2~gutsy1 |
| 17:11 oz_ | out-of-the-box? |
| 17:12 istaz | and I'm using DHCP |
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| 17:12 istaz | and booting via CDROM |
| 17:12 lazyb0y | on gutsy, yes, but I don't what version that was. it was some weeks before the release, so gutsy as well as the fai version might have changed to something broken just before the release :( |
| 17:13 lazyb0y | the resuklting cd worked _not_ for me in Qemu, but very well for Mrfai in real hardware or vmware |
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| 17:13 lazyb0y | istaz: _booting_ or are you making an install cd? |
| 17:13 istaz | install CD |
| 17:14 lazyb0y | and what about the thread Ubuntu 7.10 - "live/filesystem.dir" and "read only filesystem" in the list - does that help, maybe? |
| 17:14 istaz | I mean an install CD witch use NFS not a standalone FAI-CD |
| 17:14 lazyb0y | gah |
| 17:14 lazyb0y | so, you are making a cd with make-fai-bootfloppy? |
| 17:14 lazyb0y | I think, that doesn't work with fai 3.2 |
| 17:14 istaz | already read it and nope doesnt really help apart from the hint about union-fs |
| 17:14 istaz | yes with make-fai-bootfloppy |
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| 17:15 lazyb0y | I guess, you should forget that and try booting with PXE/etherboot |
| 17:15 lazyb0y | this will be fixed in a later version, but for now, I believer that cannot work... |
| 17:16 istaz | last time we tried and PXE didn't work because we were using special Optical Fibre network card |
| 17:17 lazyb0y | istaz: ah! please post this on the FAI Mailing list! currently, fixing this boot cd is low-priority, because everybody thinks pxe booting is possible al over the place! |
| 17:17 istaz | lazyb0y: what is the problem with make-fai-bootfloppy? |
| 17:19 lazyb0y | istaz: FAI is using a default kernel since 3.2, and this kernel isn't fitting on a floppy anymore. |
| 17:19 oz_ | hm. how do i extract a root-fs from a cpio archive to mount it for tests? |
| 17:19 oz_ | lazyb0y: "everybody"? |
| 17:20 lazyb0y | Thomas said these days, he will enable the fai-cd command to make a boot-only cd(that then mounts nfsroot, etc), instead of fixing make-fai-bootfloppy... |
| Action: oz_ does not think this |
| 17:20 lazyb0y | oz_: alwways when I vote for not throwing away the bootfloppies, I get this answer :) |
| 17:20 lazyb0y | so, I asumed, everybody but me is thinking so |
| 17:21 istaz | lazyb0y: itsn't really a problem for me since I use a CD ROM and not a floppy |
| 17:21 oz_ | lazyb0y: I'd throw away the bootfloppy |
| 17:21 oz_ | I don't waste time by thinking of it :) |
| 17:21 oz_ | better, do the live solution, so that we can install form usb stick soon |
| 17:21 lazyb0y | you can both vote on the mailing list to increase the importance to make a boot-cd with nfsroot and netinstall support :) |
| 17:22 lazyb0y | but then, that isn't netinstall |
| 17:22 oz_ | lazyb0y: I'm _so_ sorry that I could not come to the meeting |
| 17:22 oz_ | damn it |
| 17:22 lazyb0y | "live" is something different, anyway |
| 17:22 oz_ | live is the way to got I think |
| 17:22 oz_ | I think h01ger agrees on this |
| 17:23 oz_ | I worked on this a lot last winter |
| 17:23 oz_ | s/to got/to go/ |
| 17:23 oz_ | iirc on live it is not so important what media is used? |
| Action: oz_ now wonders why friggin gutsy wants to mount $ROOTSERVER:/root |
| 17:24 oz_ | ubuntu is so crazy |
| 17:24 lazyb0y | oz_: "live" i incorrect wording, I always thought and still think. "live" suggests, you have a running FAI server in a live cd. |
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| 17:25 lazyb0y | the thing that fai-cd builds is in my opinion and "install cd" |
| 17:25 lazyb0y | and the thing that is missing/broken now, is a "netinstall boot cd" |
| 17:25 oz_ | lazyb0y: words, words :-) |
| 17:25 istaz | lazyb0y: you can make a "netinstall boot cd" with make-fai-bootfloppy so I don't really understant your point |
| 17:25 oz_ | we just want fai, even on a install-cd, don't we? :-) |
| 17:26 oz_ | lazyb0y: read...make-fai-bootfloppy is now broken because the kernel got too big for a floppy |
| 17:27 Mrfai | istaz: normally fai boots using boot=live an not boot=nfs as you have |
| Action: h01ger thinks make-fai-bootfloppy should have been removed in 3.2.2 :) |
| 17:28 h01ger | but i'm very fain with 3.2.3 too :) |
| 17:29 h01ger | and i do think that live is the/a correct term, though its not a live cd in its typical sense. so i'd avoid it.. |
| 17:30 oz_ | year, live cd is an anoying term anyway |
| 17:30 istaz | Mrfai: sorry I'm really new to FAI (and tired) and I'dont understand what is this boot= you are speaking about |
| 17:30 oz_ | nothing is live on a CD. |
| 17:31 oz_ | "linguistic pollution" caused by IT advertisement morones |
| 17:31 istaz | < oz_> lazyb0y: read...make-fai-bootfloppy is now broken because the kernel got too big for a floppy << you mean even if I use it to create a CD it doesn't work? |
| 17:31 lazyb0y | oz_: about "words words": I really believer it's important to use the "right words"(TM) - communication is hard enough |
| 17:32 lazyb0y | istaz: yes, the whole command is not building anything usable since 3.2 AFAIK |
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| 17:32 oz_ | lazyb0y: full ACK |
| 17:32 hoagie2 | Hello |
| 17:32 oz_ | but on the other hand...it's little sense to discuss tiny shades in meaning. |
| 17:33 hoagie2 | I need to install Etch on several almost identical machines in an isolated lab where all install-related materials must be carried in (no Internet access possible). Furthermore, the machines are hand-me-down and I don't have any passwords (even single user mode wants a password). Moreover, I have limited experience with Linux installs. |
| 17:33 hoagie2 | What is the best way to use FAI to do the installs while maintaining my sanity? I do have an existing Debian machine in that lab that I could use as an install server (or I could set up an install machine under VMware on that machine). I figured asking here ahead of time might save me alot of grief, so I appreciate any help. |
| 17:34 lazyb0y | hoagie2: what do you mean with "hand-me-down" and you have no passwords??? |
| 17:35 hoagie2 | I don't have root or any other password on the machines I want to install on |
| 17:35 lazyb0y | hoagie2: apart from all that: reading the fai-guide very first is most important for you |
| 17:35 oz_ | hoagie2: no password is okay as long as you have physical access to a box |
| 17:35 lazyb0y | hoagie2: if you install them, you will have the root password you set yourself. |
| 17:35 lazyb0y | :) |
| 17:35 hoagie2 | hand-me-down means it used to belong to someone else |
| 17:35 oz_ | just pass "init=/bin/bash" to the kernel and you should be fine |
| 17:35 oz_ | if /bin/bash does exist. |
| 17:35 hoagie2 | I do have physical access |
| 17:36 Mrfai | oz_: that will not work |
| 17:36 oz_ | Mrfai: init=/bin/bash? |
| 17:37 Mrfai | yep. there's no bash in the initrd when booting fai |
| 17:37 oz_ | Mrfai: I don't think he has FAI machines... |
| 17:37 lazyb0y | hoagie2: as long as the bios isn't locked, and you want to completely re-install, and not save any data from there, you are fine, they can be handled as any machine to be installed |
| 17:37 oz_ | he want to install FAI right now. :-) |
| 17:38 hoagie2 | I saw fai-cd listed as the easiest way, but didn't know if that would really work in my situation |
| 17:39 Mrfai | ok. I see. It was you that is using boot=nfs. Do you use this option with live-initramfs? |
| 17:39 Mrfai | h01ger: give it a try on one machine |
| 17:39 Mrfai | sorry not for you h01ger |
| 17:39 lazyb0y | hoagie2: fai-cd is an install cd which has all the packages on it - so, it's "self contained" and doesn't need any further services |
| 17:40 Mrfai | hoagie2: give it a try on one machine. USe the fai-cd from the fai web page |
| 17:40 h01ger | Mrfai, np :) |
| 17:40 lazyb0y | if you say, you have a machine that can be used as install server, you might want to do network installs. |
| 17:40 oz_ | does a fai-cd with ubuntu exists yet? |
| 17:40 Mrfai | oz_: I see. It was you that is using boot=nfs. Do you use this option with live-initramfs? |
| 17:40 Mrfai | there's no fai-cd for ubuntu yet |
| 17:40 lazyb0y | there, you are more flexible, and you don't need to walk to each machine when doing an install - just set pxe accordingly |
| 17:41 Mrfai | no official ubuntu fai-cd from me |
| 17:41 oz_ | Mrfai: don't take that serious... |
| 17:41 lazyb0y | then again, netinstall requires a hand full of services to work with each other, so the learning curve might be higher |
| 17:41 oz_ | just started off, I'm playing ATM |
| 17:41 oz_ | and try to follow here.... :-) |
| 17:41 lazyb0y | but fai-cd _should_ work in gutsy |
| 17:41 hoagie2 | okay, was suprised when the install fit on one CD; the full etch install I saw elsewhere was 3 DVDs |
| 17:41 istaz | gotta go, thanks for your information |
| 17:41 lazyb0y | that's what I told tat we tested it |
| 17:42 oz_ | hoagie2: I have a CD with a Apache, Mediawiki, Openldap server and other stuff on it |
| 17:42 oz_ | a fai-cd |
| 17:42 oz_ | I install all my boxes and pools with it...but it desperately calls for improvement |
| 17:43 Mrfai | oz_: which do you post things that I should not take serious? IMO posting those things will confuse our users. It wven confuses me |
| 17:44 oz_ | Mrfai: I just was syncing with hoagie2 |
| 17:45 oz_ | it was not a joke, but I also did not call for a fix! ;) |
| 17:45 oz_ | brb |
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| 18:09 oz_ | hm. I wonder about this last part of the conversation... |
| 18:11 lazyb0y | somebody's not amused, obviously... |
| 18:13 oz_ | yes, but why? |
| 18:13 oz_ | it was not my intention to be rude |
| Action: oz_ ist just about to test fai-cd on gutsy |
| 18:24 oz_ | crappy crappy PeeCees |
| 19:19 hoagie2 | Okay, I'm a bit lost. I created a CD from the i386 ISO on http://www.informatik.uni-koeln.de/fai/fai-cd/. I inserted that into the machine I am trying to install etch on and rebooted. Then I get an grub prompt (not a grub boot options menu). |
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| 19:21 hoagie2 | how do I get to the menu like is shown on http://www.informatik.uni-koeln.de/fai/slideshow/101.png |
| 19:22 lazyb0y | hoagie2: that should "just work" :) |
| 19:22 lazyb0y | if it doesn't, it can some reasons: |
| 19:22 lazyb0y | - the download is broken (are there md5sums to check? ) |
| 19:23 lazyb0y | - you have "strange" hardware that doesn't work well with grub and booting from a cd |
| 19:23 lazyb0y | - the iso is not tested good enough |
| 19:24 lazyb0y | (I'm just giving it a try - but I can only look at the i386 thingy) |
| 19:24 hoagie2 | md5 checks out |
| 19:25 hoagie2 | the hardware is a HP ProLiant DL 140 |
| 19:27 hoagie2 | I verified that it is booting from the CD |
| 19:32 lazyb0y | hoagie2: here, the cd image boots, at least in qemu |
| 19:33 lazyb0y | did you verify that the machine also boots a cd with grub? |
| 19:33 lazyb0y | (not sure, but I imagines that can be problematic sometimes) |
| 19:34 hoagie2 | what I actually tested was that in the BIOS config that the CD should be the one used for booting |
| 19:35 hoagie2 | you are suggesting creating a different CD with grub and trying that? |
| 19:37 lazyb0y | hoagie2: if I understand you correctly, you only checked the setting, but did not really try to boot from a cd yet, right? first, I'd do that, then check, if booting from another grub-based boot cd works |
| 19:38 hoagie2 | I tried booting from fai-cd-3.2 and ended up at a "grub>" prompt |
| 19:38 hoagie2 | shortly before that prompt, it said something about moving on to "stage 2" |
| 19:39 lazyb0y | hm, that meany, general booting from cd should work :) |
| 19:39 lazyb0y | but it is possible AFAIK, that grub can be booted, but then cannot access the cd devices for some reason - and so grub never get's it's actual config... |
| 19:40 lazyb0y | check another grub.based live cd, IIRC the gnuoerted live cd also uses grub... don't know which one, too! |
| 19:41 lazyb0y | sorry, I have to leave - will check in an hour to see how far you got... |
| 19:41 hoagie2 | k, thanks |
| 19:41 lazyb0y | BTW, i was thinking of "gnuparted" not gnuoerted :) |
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