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[00:36] /dev/hda1 63 92171519 92171457 7 HPFS/NTFS [00:37] the reason is usually M$ or the like [00:37] in such cases I always use --force [00:37] export sfdisk="--force" [00:37] in some class/*.var file (as appropriate) [00:37] MT, I have used the fai installation already. [00:38] and it had no such problem so far. [00:38] hmm, strange [00:38] it's maybe a different HD model on that machine, which reports a different C/H/S conf. [00:39] but. still, the partition table I am creating in fai config/disk_config/CLASSNAME is C/H/S independent [00:40] MT, where do I add this option: export sfdisk="--force" [00:40] in some .var file in the class directory [00:40] oh, ok. [00:40] choose (or create) an appropriate one [00:40] I have it. [00:41] shall it be: [00:41] SFDISK="--force" ? [00:41] or small case ? [00:42] just as I posted above [00:42] export sfdisk="--force" [00:42] ok! [00:42] at least, that's what I use [00:56] meandtheshel1 (~sa@85.127.109.80) left irc: Quit: Leaving. 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[15:51] MT (~MT@dove.informatik.tu-muenchen.de) left irc: Ping timeout: 480 seconds [16:06] ErKa (keryell@m2.wifi.enstb.org) left irc: Ping timeout: 480 seconds [16:40] MT (~MT@dove.informatik.tu-muenchen.de) joined #fai. [16:55] istaz (~olivier@147.194-241-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be) joined #fai. [16:58] Nick change: MT -> Guest467 [16:58] MT_ (~MT@ppp-82-135-93-73.dynamic.mnet-online.de) joined #fai. [16:58] Nick change: MT_ -> MT [17:01] hey [17:01] kugg (~jerkeby@user184.77-105-210.netatonce.net) joined #fai. [17:01] has someone managed to use FAI with Ubuntu Gutsy ? [17:01] I think I have hit the problem with UnionFS [17:01] how can I resolve it? [17:03] Action: oz_ just tries to do the same [17:04] I'm starting to lose all my hair :/ [17:04] Guest467 (~MT@dove.informatik.tu-muenchen.de) left irc: Ping timeout: 480 seconds [17:04] take it easy... [17:05] if I make a new Fai Cd from Gutsy I get a "cannot open root device nfs" blablabla [17:05] to be honest...I wonder why something like ubuntu is useful anyway. ;) [17:05] istaz: "blablabla" has to be checked! [17:06] and "blablabla" are a bit bad manners, if you want real help. [17:06] and if I use my old Feisty Cd to install Gutsy, FAI start but the filesystem is read only :/ [17:06] oz_: sorry I didn't want to sound rude [17:07] Feisty Gutsy... [17:07] Describe your problem a bit more orderly, please [17:08] LABEL Ubuntu-fai MENU LABEL ubuntu, new install method KERNEL ubuntu-kernel APPEND break=mount root=/dev/nfs nfsroot=192.168.1.50:/srv/fai/nfsroot.ubuntu file=ubuntu.seed boot=nfs oem-config/enable=true initrd=ubuntu.img <- I'm going with this ATM [17:08] I had working FAI installation for Dapper and Feisty (I wasn't the one who set them up) [17:08] and I'm trying to update the whole thing to Gutsy [17:09] istaz: what exactlky are you doing, and how? what is your base/server OS? Which FAI Versione are you using? [17:10] the ubuntu fai maintainers seem to be a nbit silent these days, but I tested the fai indtsll-cd creation some time before the release, and it worked quite well... [17:10] apart from that, there seems to be a long thread on the user mailing list about problems with gutsy - did you check that? [17:10] Server is Ubuntu Gutsy 7.10 Kernel 2.6.22-14-server [17:11] FAI version 3.2.1-0ubuntu1 [17:11] lazyb0y: on gutsy? [17:11] hum no FAI version is 3.2.1-0ubuntu2~ppa2~gutsy1 [17:11] out-of-the-box? [17:12] and I'm using DHCP [17:12] MT (~MT@ppp-82-135-93-73.dynamic.mnet-online.de) left irc: Ping timeout: 480 seconds [17:12] and booting via CDROM [17:12] on gutsy, yes, but I don't what version that was. it was some weeks before the release, so gutsy as well as the fai version might have changed to something broken just before the release :( [17:13] the resuklting cd worked _not_ for me in Qemu, but very well for Mrfai in real hardware or vmware [17:13] sepski (~sep@217.17.211.51) joined #fai. [17:13] istaz: _booting_ or are you making an install cd? [17:13] install CD [17:14] and what about the thread Ubuntu 7.10 - "live/filesystem.dir" and "read only filesystem" in the list - does that help, maybe? [17:14] I mean an install CD witch use NFS not a standalone FAI-CD [17:14] gah [17:14] so, you are making a cd with make-fai-bootfloppy? [17:14] I think, that doesn't work with fai 3.2 [17:14] already read it and nope doesnt really help apart from the hint about union-fs [17:14] yes with make-fai-bootfloppy [17:15] MT (~MT@dove.informatik.tu-muenchen.de) joined #fai. [17:15] I guess, you should forget that and try booting with PXE/etherboot [17:15] this will be fixed in a later version, but for now, I believer that cannot work... [17:16] last time we tried and PXE didn't work because we were using special Optical Fibre network card [17:17] istaz: ah! please post this on the FAI Mailing list! currently, fixing this boot cd is low-priority, because everybody thinks pxe booting is possible al over the place! [17:17] lazyb0y: what is the problem with make-fai-bootfloppy? [17:19] istaz: FAI is using a default kernel since 3.2, and this kernel isn't fitting on a floppy anymore. [17:19] hm. how do i extract a root-fs from a cpio archive to mount it for tests? [17:19] lazyb0y: "everybody"? [17:20] Thomas said these days, he will enable the fai-cd command to make a boot-only cd(that then mounts nfsroot, etc), instead of fixing make-fai-bootfloppy... [17:20] Action: oz_ does not think this [17:20] oz_: alwways when I vote for not throwing away the bootfloppies, I get this answer :) [17:20] so, I asumed, everybody but me is thinking so [17:21] lazyb0y: itsn't really a problem for me since I use a CD ROM and not a floppy [17:21] lazyb0y: I'd throw away the bootfloppy [17:21] I don't waste time by thinking of it :) [17:21] better, do the live solution, so that we can install form usb stick soon [17:21] you can both vote on the mailing list to increase the importance to make a boot-cd with nfsroot and netinstall support :) [17:22] but then, that isn't netinstall [17:22] lazyb0y: I'm _so_ sorry that I could not come to the meeting [17:22] damn it [17:22] "live" is something different, anyway [17:22] live is the way to got I think [17:22] I think h01ger agrees on this [17:23] I worked on this a lot last winter [17:23] s/to got/to go/ [17:23] iirc on live it is not so important what media is used? [17:24] Action: oz_ now wonders why friggin gutsy wants to mount $ROOTSERVER:/root [17:24] ubuntu is so crazy [17:24] oz_: "live" i incorrect wording, I always thought and still think. "live" suggests, you have a running FAI server in a live cd. [17:24] hoagie (~3f52478a@207.250.49.24) joined #fai. [17:25] the thing that fai-cd builds is in my opinion and "install cd" [17:25] and the thing that is missing/broken now, is a "netinstall boot cd" [17:25] lazyb0y: words, words :-) [17:25] lazyb0y: you can make a "netinstall boot cd" with make-fai-bootfloppy so I don't really understant your point [17:25] we just want fai, even on a install-cd, don't we? :-) [17:26] lazyb0y: read...make-fai-bootfloppy is now broken because the kernel got too big for a floppy [17:27] istaz: normally fai boots using boot=live an not boot=nfs as you have [17:28] Action: h01ger thinks make-fai-bootfloppy should have been removed in 3.2.2 :) [17:28] but i'm very fain with 3.2.3 too :) [17:29] and i do think that live is the/a correct term, though its not a live cd in its typical sense. so i'd avoid it.. [17:30] year, live cd is an anoying term anyway [17:30] Mrfai: sorry I'm really new to FAI (and tired) and I'dont understand what is this boot= you are speaking about [17:30] nothing is live on a CD. [17:31] "linguistic pollution" caused by IT advertisement morones [17:31] < oz_> lazyb0y: read...make-fai-bootfloppy is now broken because the kernel got too big for a floppy << you mean even if I use it to create a CD it doesn't work? [17:31] oz_: about "words words": I really believer it's important to use the "right words"(TM) - communication is hard enough [17:32] istaz: yes, the whole command is not building anything usable since 3.2 AFAIK [17:32] hoagie2 (~3f52478a@207.250.49.24) joined #fai. [17:32] lazyb0y: full ACK [17:32] Hello [17:32] but on the other hand...it's little sense to discuss tiny shades in meaning. [17:33] I need to install Etch on several almost identical machines in an isolated lab where all install-related materials must be carried in (no Internet access possible). Furthermore, the machines are hand-me-down and I don't have any passwords (even single user mode wants a password). Moreover, I have limited experience with Linux installs. [17:33] What is the best way to use FAI to do the installs while maintaining my sanity? I do have an existing Debian machine in that lab that I could use as an install server (or I could set up an install machine under VMware on that machine). I figured asking here ahead of time might save me alot of grief, so I appreciate any help. [17:34] hoagie2: what do you mean with "hand-me-down" and you have no passwords??? [17:35] I don't have root or any other password on the machines I want to install on [17:35] hoagie2: apart from all that: reading the fai-guide very first is most important for you [17:35] hoagie2: no password is okay as long as you have physical access to a box [17:35] hoagie2: if you install them, you will have the root password you set yourself. [17:35] :) [17:35] hand-me-down means it used to belong to someone else [17:35] just pass "init=/bin/bash" to the kernel and you should be fine [17:35] if /bin/bash does exist. [17:35] I do have physical access [17:36] oz_: that will not work [17:36] Mrfai: init=/bin/bash? [17:37] yep. there's no bash in the initrd when booting fai [17:37] Mrfai: I don't think he has FAI machines... [17:37] hoagie2: as long as the bios isn't locked, and you want to completely re-install, and not save any data from there, you are fine, they can be handled as any machine to be installed [17:37] he want to install FAI right now. :-) [17:38] I saw fai-cd listed as the easiest way, but didn't know if that would really work in my situation [17:39] ok. I see. It was you that is using boot=nfs. Do you use this option with live-initramfs? [17:39] h01ger: give it a try on one machine [17:39] sorry not for you h01ger [17:39] hoagie2: fai-cd is an install cd which has all the packages on it - so, it's "self contained" and doesn't need any further services [17:40] hoagie2: give it a try on one machine. USe the fai-cd from the fai web page [17:40] Mrfai, np :) [17:40] if you say, you have a machine that can be used as install server, you might want to do network installs. [17:40] does a fai-cd with ubuntu exists yet? [17:40] oz_: I see. It was you that is using boot=nfs. Do you use this option with live-initramfs? [17:40] there's no fai-cd for ubuntu yet [17:40] there, you are more flexible, and you don't need to walk to each machine when doing an install - just set pxe accordingly [17:41] no official ubuntu fai-cd from me [17:41] Mrfai: don't take that serious... [17:41] then again, netinstall requires a hand full of services to work with each other, so the learning curve might be higher [17:41] just started off, I'm playing ATM [17:41] and try to follow here.... :-) [17:41] but fai-cd _should_ work in gutsy [17:41] okay, was suprised when the install fit on one CD; the full etch install I saw elsewhere was 3 DVDs [17:41] gotta go, thanks for your information [17:41] that's what I told tat we tested it [17:42] hoagie2: I have a CD with a Apache, Mediawiki, Openldap server and other stuff on it [17:42] a fai-cd [17:42] I install all my boxes and pools with it...but it desperately calls for improvement [17:43] oz_: which do you post things that I should not take serious? IMO posting those things will confuse our users. It wven confuses me [17:44] Mrfai: I just was syncing with hoagie2 [17:45] it was not a joke, but I also did not call for a fix! ;) [17:45] brb [17:51] Mrfai (~lange@suenner.informatik.uni-koeln.de) left irc: Quit: leaving [17:52] i-R2D252 (~deed@tor-irc.dnsbl.oftc.net) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [17:54] stockholm (~andreas@petrus.schuldei.org) left irc: Server closed connection [17:54] stockholm (~andreas@petrus.schuldei.org) joined #fai. [17:59] i-R2D252 (~deed@tor-irc.dnsbl.oftc.net) joined #fai. [18:09] hm. I wonder about this last part of the conversation... [18:11] somebody's not amused, obviously... [18:13] yes, but why? [18:13] it was not my intention to be rude [18:14] Action: oz_ ist just about to test fai-cd on gutsy [18:24] crappy crappy PeeCees [19:19] Okay, I'm a bit lost. I created a CD from the i386 ISO on http://www.informatik.uni-koeln.de/fai/fai-cd/. I inserted that into the machine I am trying to install etch on and rebooted. Then I get an grub prompt (not a grub boot options menu). [19:20] sepski (~sep@217.17.211.51) left irc: Quit: Leaving [19:21] how do I get to the menu like is shown on http://www.informatik.uni-koeln.de/fai/slideshow/101.png [19:22] hoagie2: that should "just work" :) [19:22] if it doesn't, it can some reasons: [19:22] - the download is broken (are there md5sums to check? ) [19:23] - you have "strange" hardware that doesn't work well with grub and booting from a cd [19:23] - the iso is not tested good enough [19:24] (I'm just giving it a try - but I can only look at the i386 thingy) [19:24] md5 checks out [19:25] the hardware is a HP ProLiant DL 140 [19:27] I verified that it is booting from the CD [19:32] hoagie2: here, the cd image boots, at least in qemu [19:33] did you verify that the machine also boots a cd with grub? [19:33] (not sure, but I imagines that can be problematic sometimes) [19:34] what I actually tested was that in the BIOS config that the CD should be the one used for booting [19:35] you are suggesting creating a different CD with grub and trying that? [19:37] hoagie2: if I understand you correctly, you only checked the setting, but did not really try to boot from a cd yet, right? first, I'd do that, then check, if booting from another grub-based boot cd works [19:38] I tried booting from fai-cd-3.2 and ended up at a "grub>" prompt [19:38] shortly before that prompt, it said something about moving on to "stage 2" [19:39] hm, that meany, general booting from cd should work :) [19:39] but it is possible AFAIK, that grub can be booted, but then cannot access the cd devices for some reason - and so grub never get's it's actual config... [19:40] check another grub.based live cd, IIRC the gnuoerted live cd also uses grub... don't know which one, too! [19:41] sorry, I have to leave - will check in an hour to see how far you got... [19:41] k, thanks [19:41] BTW, i was thinking of "gnuparted" not gnuoerted :) [20:06] alexanderwz (~alexander@karuna.med.harvard.edu) left irc: Server closed connection [20:06] alexanderwz (~alexander@karuna.med.harvard.edu) joined #fai. [21:06] hoagie2 (~3f52478a@207.250.49.24) left irc: Quit: CGI:IRC (EOF) [21:06] hoagie (~3f52478a@207.250.49.24) left irc: Quit: CGI:IRC (EOF) [21:24] kugg (~jerkeby@user184.77-105-210.netatonce.net) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [21:24] kugg (~jerkeby@user184.77-105-210.netatonce.net) joined #fai. [21:39] kugg (~jerkeby@user184.77-105-210.netatonce.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 480 seconds [22:35] Nick change: MT -> Guest501 [22:35] MT_ (~MT@ppp-82-135-93-73.dynamic.mnet-online.de) joined #fai. 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