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[08:13] <stockholm> huhu!
[08:13] Action: stockholm hat netzwerk in spanien
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[09:57] <stockholm> MT: hast du was an shdd2 getan seit neulich?
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[10:07] <sobersabre> hi!
[10:08] <sobersabre> guys, I am trying to configure NIS on install. I understand I need 2 things to do: 1. install and configure package nis with debconf
[10:08] <sobersabre> 2. modify system files ( /etc/nsswitch.conf, /etc/passwd, /etc/shadow, /etc/group, /etc/gshadow )
[10:09] <sobersabre> is there a "ready to read" part of documentation for this ?
[10:11] <h01ger> stockholm, deine frage laesst fragen offen...
[10:11] <h01ger> neulich? +bischn unspezifisch
[10:15] <Mrfai> sobersabre: http://paste.debian.net/40039
[10:16] <Mrfai> This is a script that I use for setting up NIS
[10:16] <eartoast> moin
[10:21] <sobersabre> Mrfai: you're a life saver. I'll need to edit it a bit, but it's completely clear!
[10:21] <sobersabre> I thought to mess with debconf 
[10:21] <sobersabre> :)
[10:22] <h01ger> Mrfai is a life saver by having written fai anyway :)
[10:23] <sobersabre> h01ger: I know, but still. it
[10:23] <sobersabre> 's great to have help like this.
[10:23] <h01ger> sure
[10:23] <h01ger> i just wanted to make that point
[10:30] <stockholm> MT: das "zeroing out" worked, i could install and boot with root on lvm
[10:30] <stockholm> MT: i need to check in the syntax error fix though
[10:32] <stockholm> MT: i think if the "preserving" works like this it is overkill to do the long way around with detecting existing volume groups 
[10:33] <sobersabre> Mrfai: where do I define the variable YPDOMAIN ( I could do it inside the script itself... maybe there's th proper way for it )
[10:33] <stockholm> MT: i think there is no added value doing it the other way, really
[10:34] <Mrfai> YPDOMAIN can be defined in dhcpd.conf or in class/*.var
[10:34] <sobersabre> OK! class/*.var is the best
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[12:09] <sobersabre> anyone in here ?
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[13:17] <MT> sorry stockholm, wasn't at my computer till now
[13:17] <MT> ah, you already committed something
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[14:25] <stockholm> MT: i have something else to commit without dd
[14:25] <stockholm> that works even
[14:26] <stockholm> MT: please check it out
[14:26] <stockholm> MT: just committed
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[14:28] <stockholm> MT: now can you tell me... will it work to set a :preserv tag on a partition or a volume group or so and preserve all related items?
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[14:29] <stockholm> where IS sep?
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[14:39] <stockholm> Mrfai: we think that it would make sense to have an LVM class
[14:39] <stockholm> Mrfai: would it be ok to commit that to fai head?
[14:40] <h01ger> stockholm, file a bug with patch first?
[14:43] <Mrfai> a wishlist bug please. I do not understand why FAI needs an LVM class.
[14:47] <stockholm> Mrfai: the lvm class would contain for example the dependency on lvm2
[14:54] <Mrfai> This is up to every user. FAI cannot define classes for all environments. a LVM class is an example and should g ointo the wiki
[14:59] <MT> stockholm?
[14:59] <MT> Du hast u.a. folgendes committed
[14:59] <MT> -      $val *= ( 1 / 1024 );                                                                                                                
[14:59] <MT> +      $val = $1 ( 1 / 1024 );                
[14:59] <MT> da fehlt wohl ein *
[15:05] <h01ger> Mrfai, i do think that LVM is used at >80% of all installations today... thats not a corner case
[15:11] <lazyb0y> Mrfai: die slac im winter ist erst die zweite?
[15:14] <stockholm> MT: ja, stimmt
[15:15] <lazyb0y> Mrfai: if you want more examples, you must take some into the simple examples...
[15:15] <MT> stockholm, ich bin mir nicht sicher ob das preserve sich so fortsetzt
[15:15] <MT> ich glaube, das könnte unvollständig sein an der Stelle
[15:16] <lazyb0y> if there's always many reasons not to take examples into the fai-doc package (cornercase, nobody maintains them, ...) then no additional example will get in
[15:17] <stockholm> lazyb0y: perhaps that is the point?
[15:17] <lazyb0y> stockholm: what?
[15:17] <stockholm> Mrfai: can you elaborate?
[15:17] <stockholm> lazyb0y: to have less examples?
[15:18] <stockholm> lazyb0y: to have a as small as possible starting config?
[15:18] <lazyb0y> stockholm: hmm, no, aehm, I don't want to offend thomas now, but it's the same person saying we could use some more examples :)
[15:18] <lazyb0y> and not taking in proposed ones :)
[15:18] <stockholm> ah, i get it
[15:20] Action: h01ger still thinks fai could use a default configspace instead of an example one...
[15:20] <stockholm> ah, i guess you had this discussion before :-)
[15:20] <h01ger> and instead of letting them rot in a wiki, i'd rather put them in my branch ;)
[15:21] <lazyb0y> h01ger: hmm, I guess the problem is, even the very simple examples(or, then: default) has quite a lot of files, which then are all config files for dpkg?!
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[15:23] <h01ger> lazyb0y, nope. conffiles are not allowed to be edited. but its fine to have files in /etc which are not conffiles
[15:24] <h01ger> (and debian-edu needs an out of the box working fai configspace too, btw. and best its installed as a package)
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[15:30] <stockholm> MT: with the pvremove i consider the problem solved in the proper way and it even works.
[15:31] <MT> but we can't preserve any logical volumes, right?
[15:31] <stockholm> we cant?
[15:31] <stockholm> why not?
[15:31] <MT> don't you pvremove anything you find?
[15:32] <stockholm> i only remove devices that should be created anyway
[15:32] <MT> ah
[15:32] <MT> ok
[15:32] <stockholm> i only pvremove on devices that should be created anyway
[15:33] <stockholm> please check the code if i misunderstood it this correctly
[15:34] <stockholm> wow, that sentence is broken
[15:35] <MT> I will definitely look at all of the code at the dev weekend
[15:36] <stockholm> it is not much code :-)
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[15:43] <Barbarossa> gun amnd
[15:43] <Barbarossa> Wie funktioniert denn das partitionieren in detail?
[15:44] <Barbarossa> Ich hab bisher rausgefunden, dass es nen hook partiotion.DEFAULT (o.ae.) gibt, der dann setup_harddisks aufruft
[15:44] <Barbarossa> Aber wer sucht sich das Partitionsschema aus?
[15:49] <Barbarossa> Ah Source lesen bildet
[15:50] <Barbarossa> Scheint nen Setup-Problem $hier zu sein
[15:52] <stockholm> Barbarossa: huhu!
[15:52] <Barbarossa> Hi Andrea
[15:52] <Barbarossa> s
[15:53] <Mrfai> lazyb0y: ja ist erst die zweite slac
[15:53] <stockholm> slac?
[15:55] <Mrfai> one reason not to take a LVM class right now, is that the new partition tool is too new and not yet included into FAI. 
[15:57] <Barbarossa> Mrfai: Can I tell FAI in the disk_config file to create an PV or a VG?
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[16:00] <MT> Barbarossa, take a look at http://faiwiki.debian.net/index.php/Setup_harddisks_2
[16:00] <Mrfai> Barbarossa: for raid and lvm use the new partition tool. And ask mt and stockholm. there are mor familiar with it
[16:00] <Mrfai> s/there/they/
[16:02] <lazyb0y> Mrfai: that's a good and acceptable reason, in this case :)
[16:02] <lazyb0y> I agree, no classes are needed that depend on features not yet committed into the trunk
[16:02] <MT> lazyb0y, Mrfai, what about creating further examples in some branch
[16:03] <Mrfai> MT: we should discuss that in Essen
[16:03] <lazyb0y> if essen happens
[16:03] <lazyb0y> (I must write a mail to the linuxhotel these days, asking if our group is too small)
[16:03] <lazyb0y> if it's O.K. for them, we should do it
[16:04] <MT> yes, otherwise we could also meet up somewhere else
[16:04] <Mrfai> do they have a minimum of participants?
[16:04] <MT> guys, I'll leave to catch the underground, I'll be back in an hour
[16:06] <lazyb0y> I don't know, maybe they have other things that could happen there...
[16:06] <lazyb0y> I don't believe they will send us away - otherwise we could revoke their license :)
[16:06] <Mrfai> :-)
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[16:16] <stockholm> mt: we should consider changing the configuration parser to accept lists in lines seperated with any of the following: " ", "," and ", "
[16:16] <stockholm> of course you could comment easier if you were here
[16:20] <h01ger> lazyb0y, _if_ essen happens? uh. i'm considering not going to the next edu meeting and instead go to fai. if essen doesnt happens, it like to go to edu. when will you know`
[16:20] <h01ger> ?
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[16:24] <stockholm> Mrfai: do you have a checklist of what needs to happen and what needs to be tested before shdd2 will get merged?
[16:26] <lazyb0y> h01ger: the probability is wuite low, as can be read above
[16:26] <lazyb0y> _very_ low
[16:26] <h01ger> lazyb0y, ic
[16:26] <lazyb0y> I just thought abput the possibility of this, and in private mail, thomas and i dicussed if we should do it at all
[16:26] <Mrfai> I will do a look at the source code, and then I think talking to mt face to face should do the rest. I hope do do this in Essen
[16:27] <lazyb0y> but we decided we want not cancel it
[16:29] <h01ger> lazyb0y, so you tell me now, it will very probably not take place, but you still dont want to cancel it now, but rather lastminute?
[16:37] <stockholm> Mrfai: btw, you could extend ainsl with a -p flag that creates missing directories 
[16:37] <stockholm> like this:
[16:37] <stockholm> mkdir -p $target/etc/initramfs-tools/
[16:37] <stockholm> ainsl -a $target/etc/initramfs-tools/modules dm_mod
[16:40] <Mrfai> stockholm: yes. Please send me a patch or file a wishlist bug.
[16:40] <lazyb0y> h01ger: no, I tell you it will very probably not be cancelled :)
[16:41] <lazyb0y> the only possibility are the linuxhotel people, but we have measures of pressure against them, as seen above
[16:42] <stockholm> i guess a patch is easier
[16:43] <h01ger> lazyb0y, then i got you wrong
[16:43] Action: Mrfai .o0( make the BTS much more complicated, so people will send more patches) ;-)
[16:43] <h01ger> .oO( never send patches to Mrfai. always send them to the bts )
[16:43] <h01ger> we also want to have fun
[16:44] <lazyb0y> Mrfai: if you discourage sending a bugreport without a patch, you discourage people of telling you what goes wrong, even if they don't know how to fix it
[16:45] <Mrfai> lazyb0y: it was a joke to stockholm. He prefers sending patches only because sending a bug report is more work.
[16:46] <Mrfai> eartoast: does your fai-classes-config also detects classes used in script after the command ifclass?
[16:47] <lazyb0y> Mrfai: ah, I got you wrong - sorry
[16:47] Action: lazyb0y should read context
[16:47] <Mrfai> lazyb0y: no roblem
[16:47] <Mrfai> lazyb0y: here's the missing 'p'
[16:47] <stockholm> Mrfai: if i have to use your perl coding style for writing the patch i wont do it
[16:48] <stockholm> Mrfai: can i do proper coding style, too? :-)
[16:48] <Mrfai> stockholm: try to use my style. If I apply a patch, I will also reformat and recode it, if it does not match my style
[16:55] <stockholm> Mrfai: i will switch to use strict; regardless :-)
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[17:53] <sobersabre> hi
[17:54] <sobersabre> I am trying to install a client with 2 disks.
[17:54] <sobersabre> and I am getting an error stating: no config file for setup_harddisk found.
[17:55] <sobersabre> I indeed don't have such folder under config.
[17:55] <sobersabre> Q1: why could I install other machines with 2 hard disks.
[17:55] <sobersabre> ?
[17:55] <sobersabre> (it was /dev/hda and /dev/sda )
[17:55] <sobersabre> now it is /dev/hda and /dev/hdb 
[17:55] <sobersabre> any ideas ?
[17:56] <sobersabre> and, I do have this disk_config folder, with supposedly good configurations.
[17:56] <sobersabre> please don't ask me to pastebin anything, I am ssh'ing from this client, to the machine with internet.  
[17:57] <sobersabre> I can peek the config of course.
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[18:01] <sobersabre> hmmm. ok. I reboot.
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[18:03] <oz_> what is the current fai kernel?
[18:04] <oz_> 2.6.18?
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[18:05] <sobersabre> hi. again.
[18:05] <sobersabre> reducing the size of auto resizable partition didn't work.
[18:05] <sobersabre> is anybody alive ?
[18:09] <sobersabre> noone. ok. I'
[18:09] <sobersabre> m off home, good luck all.
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[18:11] <Robinayor_> .oO(...)
[18:12] <Robinayor_> are we all dead now?
[18:16] <oz_> no
[18:16] Action: oz_ working hard
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[18:23] <sobersabre> hi back again.
[18:23] <sobersabre> :(
[18:24] <sobersabre> please take a look at config
[18:24] <sobersabre> disk:
[18:24] <sobersabre> http://pastebin.ca/741435
[18:25] <sobersabre> 1st disk has 1st partition ntfs. I wrote: preserve partition 1
[18:25] <sobersabre> didn't give it any mounting points.
[18:26] <oz_> the ATI SB600, is it known to anyone?
[18:26] <sobersabre> what is it ?
[18:37] <eartoast> 18:46 < Mrfai> eartoast: does your fai-classes-config also detects classes used in script after the command ifclass?
[18:37] <eartoast> Mrfai: yes
[18:40] <sobersabre> must be off, bye all.
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[20:34] <stockholm> MT: das ganze partitionieren ist etwas riskant wegen der instabilen/asynchroen device detection
[20:34] <MT> inwiefern?
[20:35] <MT> also wenn die Platten unterschiedlich sind, ist das natürlich richtig
[20:35] <stockholm> wenn man zwei scsi controler hat mit disks dran kann es sein dass die reihenfolge in der die treiber geladen sind sich ändert
[20:36] <Barbarossa> Does anyone have a Xen Dom-U running with vanilla Kernel 2.6.23.1?
[20:36] <Barbarossa> My Dom-U freezes after 'xm create <conffile>'
[20:36] <stockholm> oder dass die reihenfolge in der die kontroller die platten entdecken von boot zu boot variiert
[20:37] <MT> ja, aber die UUIDs sollten das ja beheben, jedenfalls wenn das System mal läuft
[20:37] <stockholm> MT: aber du kannst keine uuids in der shdd2 config verwenden
[20:37] <stockholm> das skaliert nicht für viele rechner
[20:38] <MT> ja, und ich glaub auch gar nicht, dass eine Platte eine UUID hat
[20:38] <stockholm> MT: das wird interessant wenn du "preserve" benutzen willst, z.b.
[20:38] <stockholm> MT: und in software raid können beide platten (raid1) die gleiche uuid haben
[20:39] <MT> ich hab keine Ahnung, wie da eine Lösung dafür aussehen könnte?
[20:40] <MT> also ich hab hier das Problem immer dadurch gelöst, dass ich die externen Platten (die ich keinesfalls partitionieren möchte :-) ) abgesteckt hab
[20:43] <stockholm> MT: ja, das ist die eine lösung die aber für fai und grosse mengen disks und rechner nicht funktioniert
[20:44] <MT> schon klar, aber ich habe einfach keine Ahnung, wie so eine Lösung aussehen könnte
[20:44] <MT> ich meine, was ist die Eigenschaft, die eine Platte eindeutig identifiziert?
[20:44] <MT> aber auch nur so eindeutig, dass die Konfiguration trotzdem noch auf vielen Rechnern passt
[20:45] <stockholm> genau
[20:45] <stockholm> gute frage
[20:45] <stockholm> ich habe mal auf #linuxfs gefragt. da hängen die kernel hacker rum die das verursachen :-)
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[21:05] <h01ger> seriennummer. eartoast erzaehlte mir, dass bei ihm im institut die rechner die platten relativ gleiche (="wildcardbare") seriennummern haben... dazu einenn kleinen hack geschrieben und voila :)
[21:06] <stockholm> und damit kannst du dann disk1 und disk2 unterscheiden?
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[21:26] <MT> wie kommt man denn an die Seriennummerß
[21:26] <MT> ?
[21:26] <MT> ich meine, das könnte man schon reinbauen
[21:26] <MT> meinetwegen sogar mit regexp
[21:27] <MT> also statt disk1 oder so dann einfach SER:nummer
[21:39] <h01ger> das skaliert nich
[21:39] <h01ger> also weil es sehr selten ist, dass du 300 maschinen mit relativ gleichen seriennummern hast
[21:40] <MT> vorhin meintest Du aber doch gerade noch, dass eartoast das Gegenteil behauptet hätte :-)
[21:40] <MT> andererseits auch: was, außer Seriennummern, bleibt zur Identifikation einer Platte?
[21:47] <h01ger> MT, ja. eartoast institut hat ne reihe von rechnern mit derselben plattenseriennummer. aber ich behaupte das ist sehr selten
[21:47] <h01ger> MT, plattentyp/plattengroesse
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[21:48] <sobersabre> hi.
[21:51] <sobersabre> h01ger, what's up ?
[21:51] <sobersabre> Wie geht's ?
[21:53] <h01ger> fain
[21:53] <h01ger> y tu?
[21:54] <sobersabre> tudo bem, obrigado.
[21:55] <sobersabre> exept what's not tudo bem.
[21:55] <sobersabre> ;)
[21:57] <sobersabre> I've just read the guide, part 7.7
[21:58] <sobersabre> and I wonder: is there some more material on this subject of harddisk setups
[21:58] <sobersabre> ?
[22:01] <h01ger> probably ;) dunno really. you _might_ want to look at setup_harddisc2 in the faiwiki 
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[22:01] <h01ger> narf :)
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[22:02] <sobersabre> sorry: disconnected.
[22:02] <h01ger> probably ;) dunno really. you _might_ want to look at setup_harddisc2 in the faiwiki 
[22:02] <h01ger> sobersabre, re: your question..
[22:03] <sobersabre> oh, thanks1
[22:05] <sobersabre> h01ger, I haven't found this string.
[22:11] <MT> sobersabre, http://faiwiki.debian.net/index.php/Setup_harddisks_2 is the way to go
[22:12] <sobersabre> I tried to search "hard disk"
[22:13] <sobersabre> thanks for the link. I think there's something wrong with the search. 
[22:13] <h01ger> "recent changes" works well to ;)
[22:14] <sobersabre> h01ger, hm... ok.
[22:14] <h01ger> (i was mostly joking. look at recent changes in the wiki to understand why..)
[22:16] <sobersabre> oh, is this you who makes all the changes ?
[22:16] <sobersabre> with this page ?
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