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| 02:32 alvinc | i wonder if anyone in channel has had any luck with FAI with Dell 2970 |
| 02:33 alvinc | i rebuilt a fai kernel for 2.6.20 on ubuntu with no success |
| 02:33 alvinc | i am about to try the same with etch |
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| 06:08 jair | MT: hello? |
| 06:08 jair | stockholm: hello |
| 06:08 MT | hi jair! |
| 06:08 jair | MT: so sorry but you are the guys I see most of the time talking here :D |
| 06:09 jair | and I am about to start my first time FAI set up. |
| 06:09 MT | well, that might be only due to some debugging we did yesterday... |
| 06:09 jair | haha I see |
| 06:09 jair | how is everything for you? |
| 06:10 MT | how is what? |
| 06:10 jair | I am trying to create a install server FAI to deploy "debian etch 4.0r1" with just the packages I need, nothing extra. |
| 06:11 jair | MT: I am asking if your debugging went well. |
| 06:11 jair | MT: did you guys figured out? |
| 06:11 MT | well, nearly |
| 06:11 jair | I did not paid to much attention because I has been in and out |
| 06:11 MT | stockholm's host is still not mounting the root fs from LVM, but that'll be debugged later on... |
| 06:12 jair | I am in Chicago US 1:00am and have to work at 7:00am :( |
| 06:12 jair | ohhh |
| 06:12 jair | what I wanted to do eventually is create the image using the LVM partition on the "gold image" |
| 06:12 MT | meaning you don't do the FAI setup at work? |
| 06:13 jair | I want to do it at work as soon as I can |
| 06:13 jair | but I am completely new to FAI, not to debian or Linux, so I should be able of get it working pretty fast |
| 06:13 MT | I just asked because we'll be online in 6 hours as well :-) |
| 06:13 jair | now, I do not like to discover things while I am lerning too much, I like to plan a lot |
| 06:13 MT | what do you mean by creating the image? |
| 06:14 MT | in FAI you don't do disk images |
| 06:15 jair | I mean, in FAI I can't create like a base image, for example: I would like to create a system for a computer lab, one for myself, and one for work. three of this systems will have differences. |
| 06:15 jair | feel free to stop me if I am not understanding what FAI will do for me. |
| 06:16 MT | well, FAI is perfectly suited for this sort of thing |
| 06:16 MT | but I'm not entirely sure whether it works the way you seem to expect it to work |
| 06:16 MT | in FAI you create configurations |
| 06:16 MT | that is, e.g., sets of packages that you want to get installed |
| 06:17 jair | yes |
| 06:17 jair | correct |
| 06:17 jair | yes |
| 06:17 jair | let me put you my three examples and then I think i will completely understand |
| 06:17 MT | but everything gets installed as usual in a "normal" installation |
| 06:17 MT | just without interaction |
| 06:18 jair | in FAI I create an "Install Server" right? in compare with third party software like Symantec ghost will be the ghost server? |
| 06:18 jair | or there are two completely different things? |
| 06:19 MT | well, FAI is completely different from ghost |
| 06:19 MT | but yes, there is a server that has the configurations and the initial root filesystem |
| 06:19 jair | let's not compare it with ghost then |
| 06:21 jair | let say: FAI will automatically, install a debian system the way I tell it too. e.g with gnome, or kde, with k7 or 686 kernel, with openoffice or with koffice. |
| 06:21 sep | jair, if you need a ghost replacement you can look at mondo. but it will have all the usual troubles experienced from imaging systems. |
| 06:21 sep | morning btw :) |
| 06:21 jair | good morning :) |
| 06:21 MT | morning sep :-) |
| 06:21 MT | but jair, yes, FAI wil exactly do that for you |
| 06:22 jair | sep: I am actually not looking for a ghost replacement, I think if I can install automatically a number of systems (ubuntu, redhat, suse, debian) with or without the exact hardware I am done :) |
| 06:23 MT | debian and ubuntu will be fine |
| 06:24 MT | redhat and suse should work, but might require some additional work |
| 06:24 jair | MT: because they use a debian or apt mirror right? and they are similar OSes. |
| 06:24 jair | got it |
| 06:24 MT | basically because of apt |
| 06:24 MT | and debootstrap, which is the tool to get the very basic packages installed |
| 06:25 MT | there already is support for rpm,yum, etc. |
| 06:25 jair | not too interested on those, sisnce they have kickstart and suse has the other one forgot its name |
| 06:25 jair | I see |
| 06:26 jair | so guys if I have in my network at home = four virtual machines. Can I create one of those vms (debian etch install server) and test with the other three virtual machines? |
| 06:26 MT | sure |
| 06:27 jair | alright |
| 06:28 jair | the second thing is: when I install FAI an pxe server will be automatically installed on it? I have experience configuring dhcp3 server I use it at work, not too much experience configuring bind9, but I can try. but never configured an pxe server on Linux :( |
| 06:29 jair | I have right now => modem dsl with dynamic ip, a server with 500GB LVM on debian etch running vmware workstation. |
| 06:30 MT | well, you don't necessarily need PXE |
| 06:30 MT | you can also create boot CDs |
| 06:30 MT | which will work exactly the same way |
| 06:30 MT | however, for PXE you only need a TFTP server |
| 06:31 MT | which is not much more than apt-get install tftpd-hpa |
| 06:31 jair | I have three virtual machines created, (fai-server1) (fai-client1) (fai-client2) where the fai clients do not have OS on it yet, but fai-server1 has debian installed on with the very base load, not gnome, not xorg, not anything of those packages, very basic. |
| 06:31 MT | it doesn't matter what is installed on the server |
| 06:32 MT | did you read the fai guide? |
| 06:32 jair | MT: then that answer my question, when i install FAI and its components tftp dhcp will be installed = pxe server and dhcp will be set up ;) |
| 06:32 jair | I am on it |
| 06:32 sep | jair, no, but there are config examples in the fai-doc packages |
| 06:32 jair | I am reading it and following the instructions |
| 06:32 sep | for the dhcp server |
| 06:32 jair | ohhh ok |
| 06:32 MT | I think the guide has some quickstart part |
| 06:33 jair | yes |
| Action: stockholm bringt die kinder in den kindergarten |
| 06:33 jair | I am on that one, but again. I want to start with the very basic, clean install on the install server and the install clients |
| 06:34 jair | interesting, all I know about deutsch so far is rammstein and all their albums ;) |
| 06:35 sep | MT i mentioned it yesterday, but i dont think anyone noticed. when i have installed lvm on a machine the partition that's the lvm pv does not have the partitino type Linux LVM (8e) is that normal ? |
| 06:35 jair | MT: so, in the guide it ask me to install this extra packages => debmirror, mknbi, apt-move, mkisofs, grub, aptitude. |
| 06:35 MT | ah, I noticed, but forgot later on |
| 06:36 sep | i imagined that partition type was a heads up for the kernel to make it easier for it to know that lvm is in play |
| 06:36 MT | you don't strictly need debmirror and mknbi, but the others will be useful |
| 06:36 jair | based on the example I gave you, do you think i really need aptitude? and mkisofs? if I will be using "apt" and I will not create isos, because I will be usign the pxe server (tftp). |
| 06:36 MT | yes sep, I also thought that this might solve the problems, especially that one stockholm is seeing |
| 06:36 sep | jair, yes use aptitude |
| 06:37 sep | stockholm, did you try a late update-initramfs ? |
| 06:37 sep | that worked for me atlest |
| 06:37 stockholm | sep: i did that at the very last step, yes |
| 06:37 sep | did it work ? |
| 06:38 stockholm | i could try to set the right partition type still |
| 06:38 stockholm | sep: no |
| 06:38 stockholm | running to kindergarten now!!! |
| 06:38 jair | sep: and the machine I am installing is using the regullar ext3 partitioning (no LVM until yet) |
| 06:39 sep | jair, that makes it a bit easier |
| 06:39 jair | me think? is stockholm a kindergarden teacher haha :) |
| 06:39 jair | sep: I see |
| 06:39 MT | he's just taking care of his children ... |
| 06:40 jair | but of course eventually I would like to do it in lvm, after I really understand the configuration on linux to take the best advantage of it |
| 06:40 jair | hahahhaa |
| 06:40 jair | stockholm: I see |
| 06:40 jair | MT: I see |
| 06:40 jair | nice |
| 06:40 jair | alright guys it looks like i will start creating my install server then |
| Action: sep drops off the smallest one at 0715, he's not exactly pleased to have to get out of bed so early |
| 06:40 jair | I allowed 50GB space on the disk for my "install server" |
| 06:41 sep | jair, if you dont want to create a local deb mirror. using approx will reduce your bandwith usage and speed up the installation |
| 06:41 sep | and when you testinstall 100 times that will pay off :) |
| 06:42 jair | sep: I see |
| 06:42 jair | thanks for the tip |
| 06:43 jair | sep: so then I should not need to install the "debmirror" package? |
| Action: jair is booting his future "install server" :) |
| 06:44 jair | it is 1:43am here and I have to go work at 7:00am :( |
| 06:44 sep | jair, correct |
| 06:44 jair | but I really want to get this done guys... |
| 06:44 jair | sep: ok |
| 06:46 sep | jair, use the quixckstart part from the guide then, |
| 06:47 jair | sep: that is what I am reading now :) |
| 06:47 sep | you can replace bind with a hostsfile if you want to, but a real and working dns system is priceless so i do recomend getting the dns server up and running |
| 06:47 sep | and for 4 machines it should be pretty easy |
| 06:48 jair | sep: I do not have to much experience creating the dns server (bind9) but I will, I really would love to understand it very good so i can create my own dns servers ebytime I want :) |
| 06:51 jair | I have just a quick question for you guys: what does this line on the FAI guide means again => "Do not install the package fai-nfsroot on a normal system." |
| 06:52 sep | jair, the package fai-nfsroot is a package that is installed inside the nfsroot that the fai client network boots from. it should not be insatlled on a regular machine |
| 06:52 sep | but the fai-setup takes care of that, just make sure you dont install it manaually and your fine |
| 06:54 jair | ok sep |
| 06:54 jair | thanks |
| 06:54 jair | thank you |
| 07:10 jair | so sep , from this packages ( debmirror, mknbi, apt-move, mkisofs, grub, aptitude. |
| 07:11 jair | ) |
| 07:11 jair | all I need is => aptitude, and grub? |
| 07:11 sep | ya |
| 07:11 sep | and syslinux, but i guess you knew that since you disnt ask |
| 07:11 jair | do i really need aptitude? if I use apt-get for everything? I don't even have aptitude in my host system " FAI install server" |
| 07:12 jair | ohhh |
| 07:12 jair | I need syslinux and grub? |
| 07:12 jair | right |
| 07:12 sep | jair, aptitude have been ercomended by debian as default pacakges manager since sarge |
| 07:12 jair | I see |
| 07:12 jair | I will be using aptitude then my friend |
| 07:12 sep | jair, and it uses the same commands as apt-get so no learning curve :) |
| 07:13 jair | cool |
| Action: jair is happy |
| 07:13 sep | it also have a gui part, but that only confuses me so i dont use that |
| 07:13 jair | now, there is anything else you think i am missing besides the fai-quickstart and the package approx |
| 07:13 sep | configuring approx :) |
| 07:14 jair | I do not like to use guis to install packages at least for now |
| 07:14 sep | and editing all the configs in /etc/fai to use your approx |
| 07:14 jair | approx will need some configuration ok. |
| 07:14 jair | ohh ok |
| 07:14 sep | you should check all files in /etc/fai befoer running fai-setup, |
| 07:15 sep | but you can do it multiple times so no problems |
| 07:17 jair | sep: that sounds great |
| 07:17 jair | it looks like I will have a system running this week to test wooohoooo! |
| 07:17 jair | ;) |
| 07:18 jair | I can't wait, to start installing 48 ThinkCentre IBM/Lenovo desktops |
| 07:18 jair | we have a very interesting lab sap |
| 07:18 jair | sep: sorry |
| 07:19 stockholm | back |
| 07:19 jair | I was calling you "sap" like the huge fighter from the UFC hahaha |
| 07:19 jair | stockholm: wilkommen |
| 07:19 jair | hahaha |
| 07:19 jair | I think is something like that |
| 07:20 jair | I went to germany (muechen) and was exiting in learning deutsch. But I really have to move there for sometime to pick it up well. |
| 07:20 jair | I came to US four years ago, and this is the best I can speak ot type in English ;) |
| 07:22 jair | does any of you guys work with vmware server or vmware workstation? I just set up a xen server as well where I have one domain virtual machine running |
| 07:22 stockholm | jair: where are you from? |
| 07:23 jair | Venezuela originally... |
| Action: jair first language is Spanish |
| 07:24 jair | alright I am ready to start guys, |
| 07:25 jair | I will start running the command aptitude fai-quickstart :) |
| 07:27 jair | stockholm: you are from sweeden? or UK? |
| 07:28 stockholm | jair: i am from germany but live in sweden |
| 07:28 jair | I know that mayority of you guys are from Europe |
| 07:28 jair | stockholm: I see. any special reason why? did you married a sweddish woman? |
| 07:29 stockholm | no, my wife got a joboffer from sweden :-) |
| 07:29 jair | Ohhh GOD the system is installing love it... :) |
| 07:29 jair | ohh ok |
| 07:29 jair | I see |
| 07:29 jair | what part of Germany are you guys from? |
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| 07:29 stockholm | northern part |
| 07:29 jair | I was on Muechen last year in December |
| 07:30 jair | I see |
| 07:30 jair | Stuttgart? Berlin? |
| 07:30 stockholm | lol |
| 07:30 stockholm | bremen |
| 07:30 stockholm | and soon lübeck |
| 07:30 jair | bremen cool |
| 07:31 jair | I like "bremen" for a name of a son if I have one someday |
| 07:31 jair | :P |
| 07:32 jair | but let me tell you, I was trying to get a work on Muenchen because of the switch between the windows and office to GNU/Linux on the city of muenchen |
| 07:33 jair | but my deutsch is not that good. but I am sure I can learn very quick |
| 07:33 jair | but I will need to live there for sometime |
| 07:33 jair | or have a deutsch girlfriend |
| 07:33 jair | in US so i can start learning |
| Action: jair is watching the video => rammstein "Volkerball" ;) |
| 07:46 stockholm | welche kennung soll das lvm volume denn haben und wie setze ich das nachträglich? |
| 07:47 stockholm | ich konnte das volume ja ohne weiteres unmounten und mounten als der client gebootet war |
| 07:48 stockholm | ... bedeutet das nicht dass es an der initramfs liegt und nicht am volume? |
| 07:49 jair | stockholm: I am wokring on the /etc/fai/fai.conf, there is an example I can see and follow? |
| 07:50 jair | stockholm: it will be annoying for you guys to help me answer all my questions :( |
| 07:50 sep | only thnigs i changed there was * LOGUSER=fai * #FAI_DEBMIRROR |
| 07:52 MT | sep or stockholm, would any of you have the time to change another fix in setup_harddisk_2? |
| 07:53 jair | sep: I can choose any name on the LOGUSER=fai ? |
| 07:53 stockholm | MT: what? |
| 07:53 MT | in a minute I'd commit the code to properly bless LVM and RAID partitions |
| 07:53 sep | jair, yes, but why deviate |
| 07:53 stockholm | MT: yes, i have time :-) |
| 07:53 MT | as sep pointed out yesterday, LVM partitions are not set to type LVM |
| 07:53 jair | sep: hmm ok |
| 07:53 jair | I see |
| 07:54 MT | ok, r4621 |
| 07:54 MT | maybe that fixes your problems, stockholm |
| 07:55 jair | sep: alright I will start simple on this home-example |
| 07:55 jair | :) |
| 07:56 jair | do i need to uncomment this? => #FAI_DEBMIRROR=yournfs debianmirror:/path/to/debianmirror |
| 07:56 sep | jair, no only if you have a local mirror |
| 07:56 sep | (debmirror) |
| 07:57 jair | ohh ok I do not have a local mirror :) I will be using "approx" |
| 07:57 jair | at least at home |
| 07:58 stockholm | MT: this will take a moment, my install hosts has serious hickup |
| 07:58 stockholm | hardware wise i would think |
| 07:58 MT | no need to hurry |
| 08:02 stockholm | a college removed ram from the machine |
| 08:02 stockholm | now it oopses |
| 08:02 jair | sep: so since i will not be using a debmirror I just need to put "fai" on LOGUSER=fai and the "/etc/fai/fai.conf" is ready to go? |
| 08:03 jair | this is just because I am not using a local debian mirror right? |
| 08:03 jair | I am planning in using a "approx" |
| 08:04 sep | yes |
| 08:06 jair | cool |
| 08:08 jair | sep: thi stay the same => #FAI_CONFIG_SRC=nfs://yourservername$FAI_CONFIGDIR |
| 08:08 jair | I do not touch that? |
| 08:08 MT | you need to set it properly |
| 08:08 MT | remove the # |
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| 08:08 MT | and change yourservername to whatever ... |
| 08:08 jair | hmm i am unsure of a couple of things commented out there. I just want to make sure I am not missing uncoment or change lines :( |
| 08:09 jair | MT: is there an example of a working configuration somewhere/ |
| 08:09 jair | ? |
| 08:10 jair | FAI_CONFIG_SRC=nfs://fai-server1$FAI_CONFIGDIR this will be the line uncommented? the name of my install server is "fai-server1" |
| 08:10 MT | yeah, that's fine |
| 08:10 MT | (as long as your DNS works ok) |
| 08:11 jair | MT: the dns server (bind) is not set up at this point yet :( do i need to have it done prior running fai-setup? |
| 08:12 MT | no, not prior to fai-setup I think |
| 08:12 jair | should I go with the ip address of the server instead? |
| 08:12 MT | only your clients will need to resolve fai-server1 |
| 08:12 MT | the IP is fine as well |
| 08:12 jair | FAI_CONFIG_SRC=nfs://192.168.1.97$FAI_CONFIGDIR |
| 08:13 jair | I see |
| 08:14 jair | what about this line => MNTPOINT=/media/mirror |
| 08:16 MT | I think that's fine |
| 08:21 jair | ;) |
| 08:22 sep | jair, i use the default at FAI_CONFIG_SRC so i leave it commented |
| 08:22 jair | alright I am using the ip address of the "install server" ok |
| 08:23 jair | sep: what did you use on this =>MNTPOINT=/media/mirror? |
| 08:24 jair | is this ok with the default? => FAI_LOGPROTO=rsh |
| 08:26 sep | jair, hmm i think i use a more recent package of fai then you do |
| 08:27 jair | I am using debian etch |
| 08:27 jair | fai-server: Installed: 3.1.8 |
| 08:28 jair | that is the version I am using |
| 08:28 jair | the one that comes with debian etch 4.0r1 |
| 08:28 jair | which is what i has been trying on my base images and it works |
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| 08:29 jair | I mean, the OS boot, and works good so far, the only thing I have see is the vmware workstation 5.5.x complain and I have to do some changes. but version of vmware workstation 6.0 works |
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| 08:32 jair | sep: does that mean i need to upgrade my version :( |
| 08:32 sep | jair, if you want to |
| 08:33 sep | i am using 3.2.1 |
| 08:33 jair | to the latest one I think is => FAI 3.2.1 released |
| 08:33 jair | hmmm |
| 08:33 sep | packages for etch |
| 08:33 jair | now if I want to install it I can't using aptitude right? |
| 08:33 sep | deb http://layer-acht.org/debian etch fai |
| 08:33 sep | into sources list |
| 08:33 jair | ooooo GOD how could i miss that |
| 08:33 jair | i know |
| 08:34 sep | i use that via approx btw |
| 08:34 jair | I am so sorry i missed that |
| 08:34 sep | so it goes into approx.conf |
| 08:34 jair | via approx, so should I do aptitude remove fai-quickstart? |
| 08:35 jair | If I want to remove the 3.1.8? |
| 08:35 jair | --purge |
| 08:35 jair | ? |
| 08:36 sep | jair, i just upgraded the packages let it overwrite all config, removed the nfsroot manaully and started on the guide again |
| 08:36 jair | nfsroot manaully => with aptitude remove nfsroot? |
| 08:36 jair | ok |
| 08:36 jair | I think that is what I have to do |
| 08:38 sep | jair, rm -rf /srv/fai/nfsroot |
| 08:38 sep | is what i did |
| 08:39 sep | wait you have not run fai-setup yet? |
| 08:39 sep | so you have no nfsroot yet |
| 08:41 jair | hahaha :) |
| 08:41 jair | good |
| 08:41 jair | right |
| 08:41 jair | so all I did is upgrade alright |
| 08:42 jair | please check this output = >http://rafb.net/p/B7nXXK27.html |
| 08:42 sep | keep in mind now that you use this deb line on the fai server you should use that deb line inside the nfsroot too |
| 08:43 sep | so add the same to /etc/fai/apt/sources.list |
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| 08:45 jair | ok |
| 08:46 jair | you mean I will add this lines => http://rafb.net/p/otJPIF49.html |
| 08:47 jair | sep: should I put those lines on the /etc/fai/apt/sources.list right? that is what you mean? |
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| 08:50 sep | jair, that's what i did |
| 08:50 sep | but i only started with fai 2 days ago so i'm mostly going on gut feeling |
| 08:53 jair | sep: here is my /etc/fai/fai.conf => http://rafb.net/p/1w7RkF78.html |
| 08:53 jair | does that look ok to you? |
| 08:56 jair | I have this uncommented by default=> NFSROOT=/srv/fai/nfsroot |
| 08:56 jair | I have this uncommented by default=> TFTPROOT=/srv/tftp/fai |
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| 08:57 jair | If i am annoying you please let me know :( |
| 08:57 jair | but I really appreciate your time and help |
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| Action: jair think sep is tired |
| 09:00 sep | am at work have to sneak support in betwen paied work |
| 09:00 jair | hahaha |
| 09:00 jair | Thank you very uch |
| 09:00 jair | much |
| 09:01 sep | looks ok |
| 09:01 jair | I will be at work in three hours and will try to set up a system there as well will take minutes if I get this one working here |
| 09:02 jair | did you see the uncommented lines I ask you previously |
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| 09:04 jair | sep: I am done with the "/etc/fai/make-fai-nfsroot.conf" = > http://rafb.net/p/kLO0iz73.html |
| 09:05 jair | in the line => FAI_DEBOOTSTRAP="etch http://ftp.debian.org/debian" should I change it? to what I have on my source.lst? |
| 09:05 sep | FAI_DEBOOTSTRAP="etch http://ftp.debian.org/debian" i replaced this with my approx source |
| 09:06 sep | AI_DEBOOTSTRAP="etch http://localhost:9999/debian" |
| 09:06 jair | so all i need to do is install approx right now |
| 09:06 jair | and then type the info |
| 09:07 sep | http://paste.debian.net/39282 my approc config |
| 09:07 jair | it should be the same |
| 09:07 stockholm | sep: do you use apt-proxy, too? |
| 09:07 jair | hahaha ;) |
| 09:07 jair | cool |
| 09:07 sep | stockholm, i swapped from apt-proxy to approx becouse apt-proxy hangs all the time and require a daily restart |
| 09:08 jair | sep: perfect that makes thing more simple thank you very much |
| 09:08 jair | I am configuring my approx :) |
| 09:09 sep | jair, dont run out of space on /var/cache/approx now |
| 09:10 stockholm | sep: i use a backport from sid, that works well for me |
| 09:11 sep | stockholm, i tried thatone too but it's 2 months since |
| 09:11 jair | I think i have enough => http://paste.debian.net/39283 |
| 09:11 stockholm | sep: not the backport in backports.org but the one in sid rebuild on etch |
| 09:13 sep | dont rember what i did, probably backports |
| 09:13 jair | fai-server1:~# du -h /var/cache/approx |
| 09:13 jair | 4.0K /var/cache/approx |
| 09:13 jair | so it is nothing on it now |
| 09:13 jair | :) |
| 09:13 jair | but i think I have enough space |
| 09:16 sep | jair, |
| 09:16 sep | then adapt all sources list and /etc/fai/* to use the approx |
| 09:17 jair | exactly how you have it on your configuration correct? |
| 09:17 sep | http://paste.debian.net/39285 |
| 09:18 sep | keep min mind you'd want to use a debian mirror closer to you in your approx.conf, and you probably dont want skolelinux repo in your sources list |
| 09:18 sep | and you need to restart approx after editing the config file i assume |
| 09:18 jair | ok |
| 09:19 jair | ohhh ok |
| 09:19 jair | I just needed skolelinux repo to install the new fai version right? |
| 09:20 jair | what is this that you have here =>fai http://layer-acht.org/debian |
| 09:20 sep | that's the fai version you need |
| 09:20 sep | you do not neet skolelinux repo |
| 09:21 jair | ohh ok |
| 09:21 jair | so sorry |
| 09:21 jair | got it |
| 09:21 jair | it is 4:21am here I am pretty sleepy already hahaha |
| 09:21 jair | I will be done soon |
| 09:24 jair | sep: do you work on a school or educational institute in Europe? |
| 09:25 jair | alright I am done I think on the approx part |
| 09:28 jair | sep: :( http://paste.debian.net/39286 |
| 09:28 jair | I keep getting an error :( |
| 09:30 sep | no im just meddelsome |
| 09:31 jair | do i need to comment the lines out? |
| 09:31 sep | http://paste.debian.net/39282 |
| 09:31 sep | compare mine to yours |
| 09:31 sep | just replace ftp.no.debian with something closer to you |
| 09:32 jair | do you think that is the problem? |
| 09:32 jair | i really have a better performance with installing from finland though |
| 09:32 jair | very good speed |
| 09:32 jair | and since this is a proxy it should pull it one time |
| 09:33 sep | no problem is that you have main contrib non-free inside the approx but it should not be there |
| 09:33 sep | thats why you need to compare with how mine is |
| 09:33 jair | ohhhh I see |
| 09:33 jair | alright |
| 09:33 sep | main non-free contrib still goes only in sources.list |
| 09:33 sep | and etch too |
| 09:33 jair | cool |
| 09:33 jair | ok |
| 09:34 sep | just look at my 2 pastes and it should be clear |
| 09:36 jair | ok |
| 09:36 jair | what about this => fai http://www.informatik.uni-koeln.de/fai/download this is the address from where I got the newer fai? |
| 09:37 jair | should I use that one? or http://layer-acht.org/debian |
| 09:38 h01ger | currently they both have the same version |
| 09:38 jair | h01ger: alright |
| 09:38 jair | cool |
| 09:39 h01ger | www.informatik.uni-koeln.de is from Mrfai, so potenially more clean/right/better/bigger |
| 09:39 jair | http://layer-acht.org/debian <= is this located in germany as well? |
| 09:39 h01ger | yes |
| 09:39 jair | h01ger: alright I will stick with www.informatik.uni-koeln.de :) |
| 09:40 jair | h01ger: now it works :) |
| 09:40 jair | sep: works now, check this => fai-server1:~# /etc/init.d/approx restart |
| 09:40 jair | Stopping proxy server for Debian archive files: approx. |
| 09:40 jair | Starting proxy server for Debian archive files: approx. |
| 09:40 jair | cool |
| 09:41 jair | it means that everything I pull from those servers will be cached on my "install server" :) |
| 09:42 jair | now that I have all this. I need to fin my configuration file and tell it to use approx right sep? |
| 09:42 sep | as long as you do it with deb lines that contain fai-server1:9999 |
| 09:42 sep | yeah |
| 09:42 jair | you gave me an example hmmm let me check |
| 09:43 jair | FAI_DEBOOTSTRAP="etch http://localhost:9999/debian" |
| 09:43 jair | right |
| 09:43 jair | :) |
| Action: h01ger is soo happy with squid :) |
| 09:44 MT | stockholm, I'll be back in an hour or so, if there's any progress I'd be happy to hear from you later on :-) |
| 09:45 jair | h01ger: thanks for the tip, i will test approx and see how it works :) |
| 09:45 jair | sep: I have that line now on the /etc/fai/make-fai-nfsroot.conf |
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| 09:46 jair | there is anything else i should change before run the fai-setup? |
| 09:47 sep | etc/fai/apt/sources.list |
| 09:47 jair | on this one I can put exactly what i have on the /etc/apt/source.lst correct? |
| 09:47 Mrfai | h01ger: bitte nicht mit http://layer-acht.org/debian |
| 09:47 Mrfai | noch ein repository machen |
| 09:47 Mrfai | das gibt nur probleme wenn dort unterschiedliche Pakete liegen |
| 09:48 Mrfai | ich meine unterschiedliche Versionen |
| 09:48 jair | sep: does that file exists? |
| 09:48 jair | etc/fai/apt/sources.list? or i need to create it? |
| 09:49 sep | think so |
| 09:49 jair | found it :) |
| 09:49 h01ger | Mrfai, ich hab keine ahnung wie das hier reingeschwappt ist... ich werds aber weiterhin behalten, weil ich es fuer mich und $kunden brauche und mir da deins zu unsicher ist ;) aber ich hab da auch ein highlight drauf und kann leute auf "ihren fehler" (ihr risiko) hinweisen |
| 09:49 jair | so this file will have the exact same information that mine on the "/etc/apt/source.lst" correct? |
| 09:50 h01ger | Mrfai, i'm also thinking about uploading 3.2.1 to debian-edu etch... cause in edu we want all software to be in our repo and not tell people to use another repo... but this is a "maybe" "plan" atm, will see what happens in extremadura.. |
| 09:51 h01ger | (me switched to english for sep :) |
| 09:51 jair | ohh ineteresting how you guys work with those other cities like extremadura amaizing ;) |
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| 09:54 sep | h01ger, you want fai as a part of r1? r2? i'd think that was definitiftly lennyish |
| 09:55 jair | sep: I put the same information on my current "/etc/apt/source.lst" on the "/etc/fai/apt/source.lst" |
| 09:55 jair | sep: sound right? |
| 09:55 sep | jair, yes, as long as you dont use localhost, but a real servername |
| 09:56 sep | howcome i am talking to you. i'm as noob as they come with fai and here is Mrfai MT and h01ger . i hope atlest they'd shout out if i tell you something blindingly stupid :) |
| 09:56 h01ger | sep, if, rather r2. OTOH it doesnt have to be part of rX, as long as its in our etch. and before that, it will go to etch-test anyway. the thing is, if we teach teachers how to use fai with etch, we should not use fai 3.1.8 which is in etch, but 3.2.1... |
| 09:57 sep | h01ger, i was more thinking of having fai as part of the system out of the box by lenny :D |
| 09:57 h01ger | sep, i appreciate you talking here. teaching is the best way to learn ;) |
| 09:58 sep | install mainserver. assign mac addresses and router, ltspservers and everything installs themself :D |
| 09:59 sep | h01ger, with squid out of the box in Edu, would growing squids cache to some GB's do the same use as approx ? |
| 09:59 jair | sep: do I need to change this => FAI_DEBOOTSTRAP="etch http://localhost:9999/debian" to something like =>FAI_DEBOOTSTRAP="etch http://192.168.1.97:9999/debian" where "192.168.1.97" is the install server? |
| 09:59 h01ger | sep, the fun thing is, we use cfengine in d-e-i and d-e-c and violate policy by doing so. if we move that into fai (and thus into the local admins realm) we stop violating policy ;) <<-- not really. the truth however is, d-e-X and fai use cfengine... |
| 09:59 sep | that's what i did |
| 09:59 jair | I did not understand this part = > < sep> jair, yes, as long as you dont use localhost, but a real servername |
| 10:00 oz_ | h01ger: d-e-i? d-e-c? |
| 10:00 sep | jair, ignore it |
| 10:00 jair | alright |
| 10:00 h01ger | sep, i dont understand your squid question. the default squid config is 256mb cache. i usually tune this up and be happy. |
| 10:00 h01ger | oz_, debian-edu-config, debian-edu-install |
| 10:01 h01ger | (debian-edu-doc, debian-edu-artwork, etc. - "our main packages", where $our=debian-edu |
| 10:01 h01ger | ) |
| 10:01 sep | h01ger, right so giving that more space is a good alternative to approx, and would work out of the box with Edu |
| 10:01 jair | sep: do you have => FAI_DEBOOTSTRAP="etch http://localhost:9999/debian" or the ip or name of the server replacing "localhost"? |
| 10:01 h01ger | sep, yes |
| 10:01 sep | no |
| 10:01 jair | FAI_DEBOOTSTRAP="etch http://localhost:9999/debian" |
| 10:02 sep | i just said that you should not use localhost in the /etc/fai/apt/sources.list |
| 10:02 jair | so then i leave it localhost, technically localhost is => 127.0.0.1 which is the same as the name or ip address of the server correct? |
| 10:02 sep | in FAI_DEBOOTSTRAP you can use locahost if you want to, but ip or real name should also work |
| 10:02 jair | ok |
| 10:02 jair | sep: cool |
| 10:02 jair | sep: I think I am ready to run fai-setp then? |
| 10:03 Mrfai | jair: use fai-setup -v |
| 10:03 jair | Mrfai: that will help me to diagnostic errors? |
| 10:04 jair | Mrfai: by the way this is the first time I am using FAI :D and thank you very very much for that guide and everything else. |
| 10:04 jair | sep: has been an amazing help and if you need any help translating the document to "spanish" I can create a how to raw and send it to you guys. |
| 10:07 jair | Mrfai: I got this error => http://paste.debian.net/39288 |
| 10:07 jair | sep: http://paste.debian.net/39288 |
| 10:07 jair | :( |
| 10:08 jair | nevermind I use the lower case :) |
| 10:08 jair | and it looks like is working now |
| 10:08 jair | looks like is working guys :) |
| 10:10 jair | LOVE it :) |
| 10:10 jair | it is working whooowoooo! |
| 10:10 sep | jair, you'v not even begun yet :) |
| 10:10 jair | hahaha |
| 10:10 jair | right |
| 10:10 sep | this is just the setup |
| 10:10 jair | thank you i am sorry |
| 10:10 sep | :) |
| 10:10 jair | I should not get too exited |
| 10:11 jair | sep: I have two hours to sleep now, but it was worth :P |
| 10:12 jair | sep: so now when it finish setting up the "install server" I will be able to create my install configurations right. |
| 10:13 jair | like for example: debian1 = gnome, everything for a desktop, and internet browser. then have debian2 = kde, openoffice, all the kde packages konsole etc.. :) |
| 10:13 sep | jair, copy the example config and work from there |
| 10:14 sep | as stated in both the guide and the comment from fai-setup -v |
| 10:14 jair | ok |
| 10:14 jair | alright |
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| 10:14 jair | I will do that |
| 10:14 jair | sep: you really help me until the end, thank you very much, and thanks the comments of everyone else |
| 10:15 jair | this is something all the Linux admins should have :) |
| 10:15 oz_ | jair: FAI? yes! |
| 10:15 jair | :) |
| 10:16 sep | i realy must setup a calculus cluster now, since i have this amazing tool... no idea what i should use it for but i must ! |
| 10:17 jair | hahaha |
| 10:17 sep | i have 20 P90 with 16MB ram, if i put them in a cluster perhaps the'y be as good as a zeon |
| 10:17 jair | wow |
| 10:17 jair | hahaha |
| Action: h01ger numbercrunches seps cluster with his cell phone ;) |
| 10:19 jair | sep: why do i get this => WARNING: The following packages cannot be authenticated! |
| 10:20 sep | you are installing packages from h0lgers repo probably |
| 10:20 jair | but then at the end it says =>Authentication warning overridden. |
| 10:20 jair | and it continues |
| 10:20 sep | you can add h0lgers key if you want to avoid the warning messages |
| 10:21 jair | how do i add a gpg key? |
| 10:21 jair | or his ? |
| 10:21 sep | ask h01ger it's his key ;) |
| 10:22 h01ger | wiki.debian.org/SecureApt or so |
| 10:23 sep | jair, but it's after all just a warning :) |
| 10:24 jair | hahaha |
| 10:24 jair | h01ger: ok |
| 10:24 jair | sep: It is done => FAI setup finished. |
| 10:28 jair | Mrfai: why did you recommend me to run the command with "-v"? |
| 10:28 jair | did it create a log detailed file somewhere? |
| 10:29 sep | jair, i would guess that it means -verbose, |
| 10:29 jair | right |
| 10:29 sep | but it's not mentioned in man fai-setup so it's only a guess |
| 10:29 jair | I am trying to find the meaning of it on the man page but it does not say |
| 10:29 jair | right |
| 10:30 jair | alright, I think that from here I will need to start reading the manual and the examples |
| 10:30 jair | sep: the manual refer alot to sudo, I normally do not use sudo either |
| 10:30 jair | I use a user or root |
| 10:30 jair | but I will check what it does |
| 10:32 Mrfai | fai-setup -v just give the option -v to make-fai-nfsroot. So this call will be more verbose |
| 10:33 jair | Mrfai: ok, thank you. and after I do the install of the server, is there a place where the log file of the installation is located? so i can take a look? |
| 10:34 sep | jair, use fai-setup -v | tee foo barr |
| 10:34 jair | tee foo barr |
| 10:34 jair | ? |
| 10:34 sep | man tee |
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| 10:34 Robinayor_ | lo |
| 10:34 jair | ohh I will check |
| 10:35 Robinayor_ | may it be that login with ssh isn't documented yet? |
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| 10:37 jair | sep: but if I already ran the command there is not point for me to run it again? right? |
| 10:38 jair | maybe next time |
| 10:40 sep | right |
| 10:40 sep | lunch now |
| 10:40 jair | ok |
| 10:40 jair | I will go sleep talk to you in about three to four hours |
| 10:40 jair | I need to get little bit of sleep |
| 10:40 jair | and I will need to shave my face grrrr hate that |
| 10:40 jair | anyway |
| 10:41 jair | Danke, Thank you, Merci, Gracias, Grazie. |
| 11:02 h01ger | finally fai gets support for tetabytes! |
| 11:07 stockholm | is it teta or terra? |
| 11:07 MT | terabytes and petabytes |
| 11:07 stockholm | h01ger: i added support for pentabytes too |
| 11:08 stockholm | see how i alone carry the whole computing industry forward? |
| 11:08 stockholm | peta |
| 11:09 h01ger | stockholm, whoooooa. a pity you havent been there when the world dealt with the 640k boarder |
| 11:09 h01ger | s/boarder/boundary/ |
| 11:10 stockholm | :-) |
| 11:19 stockholm | MT: btw, booting does still not work |
| 11:19 MT | :-( |
| 11:19 stockholm | MT: how do i check the volume's signiture? |
| 11:19 stockholm | that it indicates a lvm? |
| 11:19 MT | I think parted print should do |
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| 11:21 stockholm | ok |
| 11:21 MT | did you already try not to put the root fs on LVM |
| 11:22 stockholm | no, not yet |
| 11:22 sep | stockholm, so update-initramfs late does not work for you ? |
| 11:22 stockholm | that should be quick though |
| 11:22 stockholm | sep: no, aparently not |
| 11:22 stockholm | the command seems to succeed |
| 11:22 stockholm | but no dice |
| 11:25 stockholm | where should it say "lvm" or so? |
| 11:25 stockholm | fai-client:~# parted /dev/my_pv/_root print |
| 11:25 stockholm | Disk /dev/mapper/my_pv-_root: 3221MB |
| 11:25 stockholm | Sector size (logical/physical): 512B/512B |
| 11:25 stockholm | Partition Table: loop |
| 11:25 stockholm | Number Start End Size File system Flags 1 0.00kB 3221MB 3221MB ext3 |
| 11:25 stockholm | Information: Don't forget to update /etc/fstab, if necessary. |
| 11:26 sep | MT, yes partition type is linux LVM now for me |
| 11:26 sep | stockholm, is the grub groot entry /dev/mapper/vgname-lvname or /dev/gname/lvname ? i have the latter |
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| 11:28 stockholm | sep: hu? |
| 11:29 stockholm | sep: # groot=(hd0,1) |
| 11:29 stockholm | which seems to be the boot device, not the root device |
| 11:29 stockholm | # kopt=root=/dev/my_pv/_root ro |
| 11:29 stockholm | i have this. do you mean that? |
| 11:30 stockholm | perhaps my partitioning is broken from the beginning. |
| 11:31 stockholm | http://paste.debian.net/39296 |
| 11:33 sep | stockholm, yeah i ment thatone |
| 11:34 sep | stockholm, my groot is (ho0,0) |
| 11:34 stockholm | sep: and gname is groupname ... ah, got it |
| 11:34 sep | dony you have a /boot on sda1 ? |
| 11:34 stockholm | yes |
| 11:34 stockholm | that gets bootet happily |
| 11:34 sep | so why is mine hd0,0 while yours is hd0,1 ? |
| 11:41 stockholm | i have swap on the first partition and boot is the second |
| 11:41 sep | ah ok |
| 11:42 stockholm | you have boot first |
| 11:42 sep | i have swap in lvm |
| 11:42 stockholm | why is that smart? |
| 11:42 stockholm | i want the kernel to be able to distribute the reads and writes over all disks |
| 11:43 stockholm | and usually the first cylinders (where i put swap on all disks) are the faster ones, too |
| 11:45 sep | no opinion on it. i just want everything from every disk on lvm |
| 11:45 sep | it's hardware raid anyway so it's spread across 3 drives. |
| 11:49 stockholm | yes |
| 12:07 MT | stockholm, I think it's best to try something other than root an LVM and see what's going on |
| 12:07 MT | definitely there's a bug hidden somewhere, but it might be easier to figure out once you've got root mounted :-) |
| 12:07 stockholm | yes, i reboot just now with a new partition layout |
| 12:07 stockholm | yes |
| 12:32 sep | init : cant open /scripts/live |
| 12:32 sep | never seen thisone before |
| 12:32 sep | and kernel panic afterwards |
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| 12:39 stockholm | now i have a mounted root fs and no /var |
| 12:40 stockholm | but the system is up and running and i cant get the /var lvm volume to mount |
| 12:40 stockholm | that is good news as this should be a good starting point to kill this sucker! |
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| 13:01 sep | stockholm, do you see your lv's and vg's ? |
| 13:05 stockholm | i see nothing. |
| 13:05 stockholm | i looked at dmesg |
| 13:05 stockholm | where the xfs initialized |
| 13:06 stockholm | i wonder why it does that if it can mount it |
| 13:08 stockholm | but i dont have the time currently to debug this properly |
| 13:09 stockholm | am not sure either how to go about that best |
| 13:09 stockholm | suggestions welcome :-) |
| 13:09 sep | vgdisplay |
| 13:09 sep | if that fail lsmod and see if you have dm_* modules |
| 13:09 sep | if you dont try and load the modules |
| 13:09 stockholm | the modules are there |
| 13:13 stockholm | hm i get something like this: |
| 13:13 stockholm | Couldn't find device with uuid '66c7qK-pde5-f6UG-Hctv-4Rxh-Y4Mj-0Yl1eS'. |
| 13:13 stockholm | and i find quite a lot of that in the fai.log too |
| Action: stockholm greps for that string on the client |
| 13:14 stockholm | no such string in /etc |
| 13:14 sep | stockholm, that's sounds a bit what i get when i try to partition with lvm on a disk that allready have lvm on it |
| 13:15 sep | you delete the old lvm before trying to partitino with lvm again ? |
| 13:15 stockholm | sep: well, i do a parted mklabel on it |
| 13:16 stockholm | but that is just the partitino table |
| 13:16 stockholm | does that mean your dd is actually needed?!?! |
| 13:16 stockholm | where does it get that UUID anyway? |
| 13:18 sep | stockholm, the dd is just a ugly workaround. for the real solution (parse the lvm remove lv's gv's and pv's ) |
| 13:19 stockholm | sep: but is it really an option to have to rm the lvm first? |
| 13:19 stockholm | i mean: couldnt i just initialize the disks or the lvm properly instead? |
| 13:20 sep | stockholm, how do you clean out the lvm properly ? |
| 13:20 stockholm | it is awkward to have to know about lvms that were there sometimes in order to create new ones |
| 13:21 stockholm | sep: i just wnat to get rid of info that is in the way and write my new layout on top of the old and dont want to care about the old stuff |
| 13:21 sep | tell the guys in #debian-boot when you find out since it's a probelm in the debian-installer too they use dm_wipe_lvm() in partman http://svn.debian.org/wsvn/d-i/trunk/packages/partman/partman-auto/auto-shared.sh?op=file&rev=0&sc=0 |
| 13:21 sep | now |
| 13:22 sep | stockholm, the dd trick also only work before the dm modules are loaded, if the dm modules was loaded first. the kernel would know abotu the lvm's even after you dd the drive |
| 13:23 sep | that's why the only real solution at the moment is to get a list of lv's and vg's and remove them all using lvm tools |
| 13:24 stockholm | ok |
| 13:24 stockholm | wow |
| 13:24 stockholm | why not steal the debian-installer code for that? |
| 13:24 sep | stockholm, why not plug partman* into fai for partitioning, |
| 13:25 Mrfai | sep: partman is so d-i specific, that it will not run in non d-i environments |
| 13:25 Mrfai | we discussed that before |
| 13:25 sep | Mrfai, thats a pity |
| 13:25 Mrfai | no, that's a bad design of partman |
| 13:25 sep | jupp |
| 13:26 sep | anyway i have to fetch kids in kindergarden. hope you make your lvm's mount stockholm |
| 13:28 stockholm | MT: if we "adopt" the wipe code from d-i, where should it go? |
| 13:28 stockholm | MT: i guess it will require a whole lot of extra code to add logic to "initialize" stuff properly |
| 13:29 stockholm | prompting is not not an option, either |
| 13:32 Mrfai | I do not understand the lvm things, but IMO if the initramfs tools (and the generated kernel with inird) support booting a system which das some partition on lvm, this should also work with FAI. |
| 13:34 Mrfai | One hint: adding a dm_ kernel module to the inirramfs/module file only means it gets added to the initrd, not that it will be loaded automatically during boot. AFIK this has to be added to /etc/modules |
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| 13:39 MT | sorry guys, I've been busy with other work |
| 13:39 MT | I think the dm_* modules will get loaded automatically once an LVM is detected |
| 13:39 MT | which seems not to be the case for stockholm |
| 13:39 MT | probably because of this wiping thing |
| 13:39 MT | so, about adding and removing |
| 13:39 MT | there already is some code in there |
| 13:40 MT | _maybe_ stockholm is in trouble because we initially did something wrong, which is now fixed already |
| 13:40 MT | I'd thus suggest one thing |
| 13:40 MT | do the hdparm and dd trick that sep suggested |
| 13:40 MT | and see whether this works out |
| 13:41 MT | then, do further installations without the dd/hdparm thingy |
| 13:42 MT | actually, the code in build_lvm_commands tries to be clever |
| 13:42 MT | (file shdd2-commands) |
| 13:42 MT | it tries to add and remove logical volumes wherever needed |
| 13:42 MT | but most likely it is somewhat buggy |
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| 16:46 h01ger | can i use "PACKAGES install !FOO" |
| 16:46 h01ger | ? |
| 16:53 h01ger | or "PACKAGES install FOO BAR" which only happens if FOO and BAR are defined? |
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| 17:18 jair | hello again guys :) |
| 17:56 MT | no h01ger, you can't do that ... |
| 17:56 MT | AFAIK it's a simple grep that happes |
| 17:56 MT | PACKAGES install FOO BAR will happen if FOO _or_ BAR are defined |
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| 18:38 h01ger | MT, thanx. even if you're gone :) |
| 18:38 h01ger | (and i worked around already :) |
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| 18:45 Neit | is it possible to make an fai boot floppy/cd that doesn't contain the debian mirror/packages but has a hard coded server name or IP to make the NFS mount to? (so I don't have to change my existing DHCP server) |
| 19:02 h01ger | yes, definitly possible. dont ask me how, though :-D |
| 19:02 h01ger | etherom has a webpage, where you can create a floppy which only does netboot |
| 19:03 h01ger | you can burn that floppy on a cd... |
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| 19:39 stockholm | h01ger: mein drucker ist gerade nicht so fit, aber ich habe den link für die map aus der pageinfo gefischt: |
| 19:39 stockholm | http://maps.google.com/maps?ll=38.916014,-6.336515&spn=0.006762,0.013947&z=16&key=ABQIAAAAVSz9nn01iRD48jmpOWH5TxTEsOJAN33SWiWXXkY7maQSLMIEgxRaqn565N9_R8gFh3284VWCu-9kbQ&oi=map_misc&ct=api_logo |
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| 20:04 alvinc | i got some traction on the FAI issue I was having, for feisty on Dell 2970 |
| 20:04 alvinc | who was interested in that? |
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| 22:02 stockholm | h01ger: mein drucker ist geheilt und die seite ausgedruckt |
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