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| 02:11 jair | Hello my dear friends :) |
| 02:12 jair | does thomas ange hangs out here ? |
| 02:12 jair | lange |
| 02:13 jair | guys I has been reading a couple of documents just doing research about fai |
| 02:13 jair | and all i am trying to do is deploy debian etch in 40 IBM thinkcentre. |
| 02:14 jair | all of them whether LVM or just EXT3 partitioning |
| 02:14 jair | has anyone a good howto in getting this accomplish? |
| 02:14 jair | if is a version etch of debian will be great if not I can document what I am doing and post it on my web site or something for people to follow :D |
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| 09:06 h01ger | jair, hi |
| 09:06 h01ger | jair, thomas hangs out here, but currently not. his nick is Mrfai |
| 09:07 h01ger | jair, for lvm you want to look at http://faiwiki.debian.net/index.php/Setup_harddisks_2 |
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| 09:58 jair | h01ger: are you here ? |
| 09:59 jair | I just came back from a party, I have some drinks on me, but I will come back to talk better danke shun |
| 09:59 jair | gutten natch |
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| 16:17 stockholm | misst ich habe mt wieder verpasst |
| 16:38 jair | Hallo stockholm main deutsch ist arg |
| 16:38 jair | spanish, english? |
| 16:38 jair | :) |
| 16:39 jair | h01ger: are you here? |
| 16:40 jair | h01ger: I have just a quick question, reading through the fai's guide I see "no install nfsroot in a normal system" what exactly is in my case a "normal system"? the install client? or the install server? |
| 16:41 jair | and also it is not clear if I need or not to install this => The suggested packages for FAI are: debmirror, mknbi, apt-move, mkisofs, grub, aptitude.? |
| 16:43 sepski | jair, if you are going to install a lot of clients it is often adviced to use a local debianmirror, ence debmirror and apt-move, mkisofs is if you want to make cd iso images, personally i use a approx proxy instead. |
| 16:44 jair | sepski: right, that is clear now, so I want to keep the "install server" clean and light as well. |
| 16:45 jair | sepski: so regarding my first question, do I need to install the package "nfsroot" on the "install server"? |
| 16:45 sepski | jair, if you dont use a proxy or a local mirror youll end up dl the same set of packages on each aand every installation |
| 16:46 jair | sepski: I would like to use a proxy though and a local mirror, but the debian mirrors are always up to date? |
| 16:46 sepski | jair, reading aptitude show fai-nfsroot sugest no, |
| 16:47 jair | sepski: so you are telling me that if I will do an install of 40 desktops all the same, I will install the packages from a debian mirror or I will create a local mirror on my intranet? |
| 16:47 jair | sepski: so when do I install "nfsroot" when do I need it? |
| 16:48 sepski | jair, i can't tell you how to do it, but it you dont have a proxy or a local mirror you will download each packages 40 times. and that's a waste of bandwith. |
| 16:49 jair | sepski: so I should then try to install a proxy server or create a system that mirrors the packages on the debian mirrors? |
| 16:50 sepski | jair, i'm not at all certain what you talk about, but the setup program did it all for me. |
| 16:50 sepski | it creates the needed nfsroot |
| 16:50 jair | hmmm |
| 16:50 sepski | jair, that would be my advice yes |
| 16:50 jair | see I am not sure now :( |
| 16:50 jair | you sound not too sure :P |
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| 16:51 sepski | jair, im mearly a beginner as well |
| 16:51 sepski | but i can't tell you if you should go for a proxy or a mirror, only that one of them would be wise :) |
| 16:51 jair | I will check the mailing list also. it is ok I appreciate your help even when you are starting like me :) |
| 16:51 RoboShim | Hi all. I have just checked out tag 3.2.1 from SVN and Makefile contains following lines: |
| 16:51 RoboShim | DESTDIR=$(shell pwd)/debian/tmp |
| 16:51 RoboShim | export DOCDIR = $(shell pwd)/debian/fai-doc/usr/share/doc/fai-doc |
| 16:52 RoboShim | do you this this is correct for universal make system? it looks like debian dependent and I am unable to use "make DESTDIR=image-dir install" for installation on gentoo. |
| 16:54 RoboShim | I think, the DESTDIR should not be defined in Makefile and DOCDIR should be either $(DESTDIR)/usr/share/doc/fai-doc, or (better for Gentoo) no docs files installation at all (Gentoo's portage/ebuild system makes destination directories for DOCS itself) |
| 16:56 RoboShim | for my needs, I would like to use FAI for Gentoo only for configuration storage over svn so I don't need kernels and NFS |
| 16:57 RoboShim | probably the best solution for Gentoo is to write ebuild with all commands copied from Makefile and changed as needed. Am I right? |
| 16:57 RoboShim | thank you for hints/ideas.. |
| 16:58 sepski | RoboShim, i have no idea. i think youll need patience for thatone |
| 16:59 lazyb0y | jair: can you tell us, where exactly this "don't oinstall nfsroot on a normal system" is written? |
| 16:59 lazyb0y | (to be able to improve the docs - such an unclear senetence should not be there) |
| 17:02 lazyb0y | ah, I see now, you are asking about the package "fai-nfsroot" (please be excat, you only wrote "nfsroot", and it's totally different to say you have the nfsroot pon a normal system, or install the package fai-nfsroot on a normal system |
| 17:02 lazyb0y | so, the _package_ fai-nfsroot is ONLY to be installed INSIDE the nfsroot chroot system, which is created for you by the command make-fai-nfsroot (which is also called automatically from fai-setup) |
| 17:03 lazyb0y | this package does some very special things, which you only want to have and happen _inside_ the nfsroot |
| 17:03 lazyb0y | you abolutely never want this package to be installed anywhere else |
| 17:04 lazyb0y | but, don't mix this up with "creating the nfsroot on a system" |
| 17:04 lazyb0y | here, you can chose, what you want |
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| 17:08 RoboShim | sepski: no problem, I will try to do ebuild with all commands from Makefile (ebuild is only bash script, so it's easy). Thank you for you opinion. |
| 17:08 jair | lazyb0y: I am so sorry, I am reading what you are explaining me now :D |
| 17:08 jair | lazyb0y: are you there? |
| 17:09 jair | lazyb0y: but it looks like I do not choose where to install it right? will be installed automatically by the command "make-fai-nfsroot" right? |
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| 17:11 jair | lazyb0y: also if all I will be doing is: 1) booting the machines, 2) installing the very base system, and the just a couple of packages, partition the disk either LVM or two partitions (ext3 = /) and (swap) :) do I need all those suggested packages? The suggested packages for FAI are: debmirror, mknbi, apt-move, mkisofs, grub, aptitude.? |
| 17:11 jair | lazyb0y: I normally don't use aptitude I use the command "apt" |
| 17:13 lazyb0y | jair: yes, you don't have to do anything to get the package fai-nfsroot installed in the nfsroot |
| 17:13 jair | and I apologize for asking this basic questions but this is the first time I am configuring this system |
| 17:14 jair | lazyb0y: what about the suggested packages? |
| 17:14 lazyb0y | jair: alexanderwzno problem, I am not sure if the fai guide has this information clearly enough |
| 17:14 sepski | jair, apritude have been recomended over apt-get since sarge. |
| 17:14 lazyb0y | oops didn's want to call for alex.. |
| 17:14 jair | hmmm |
| 17:14 jair | lazyb0y: I like apt, it is there something bad with apt? |
| 17:15 sepski | you dont need the mirror tools debmirror or apt-move unless you are going to setup a mirror. |
| 17:15 lazyb0y | jair: I really don't know why aptitude is in fai's suggest list |
| 17:15 jair | sepski: like you said, if is better set up a mirror so i don't need to download the package 40 times from the debian mirror server I will try to do that |
| 17:16 jair | lazyb0y: :) |
| 17:16 lazyb0y | I think, if you got for network installations, the only thing you should need is debmirror |
| 17:16 jair | I see |
| 17:16 sepski | jair, i use a proxy, but whatever scratches your itch |
| 17:16 jair | lazyb0y: should I set up a debian mirror in my local network then? |
| 17:17 lazyb0y | I like mirrors - so I don't fail because of lacking some single package when working on a train |
| 17:17 lazyb0y | jair: as sepski said, you can do what you want - use apt-proxy or set up a mirror, but you should have one of both |
| 17:18 lazyb0y | it makes your installations a lot faster, which is very helpful in the first stages of development, and decreases load of the mirrors on the internet |
| 17:18 sepski | jair, i'd recomend approx over apt-proxy, i feel apt-proxy is unstable and needs a kick once a day |
| 17:18 jair | lazyb0y: I just want to understand something, this mirror or proxy will be set up on my "fai install server"? |
| 17:19 sepski | not nessecary. but it can be. |
| 17:19 lazyb0y | jair: you can set it up wherever you want, you just have to point to it on your fai config file - look at /etc/fai/ and /etc/fai/apt |
| 17:19 sepski | you can put it wherever you please |
| 17:19 jair | lazyb0y: and If I choose to have a mirror, this will be a complete copy of the packages I need from any other big mirror from the debian mirrors? |
| 17:20 lazyb0y | jair: it dependswhat you need and how you do it |
| 17:20 jair | the mirror or proxy what will do is cache all the debian packages from other mirrors? |
| 17:20 jair | well my gold image is very light and smal :) |
| 17:20 lazyb0y | that's exactly gthe difference between the two |
| 17:20 jair | the difference? |
| 17:20 lazyb0y | apt-proxy cahces, mirror make a copy of the mirrors from the internet |
| 17:21 sepski | jair, the mirror is a copy of every packages, the proxy caches only the packages you use |
| 17:21 jair | sepski: I got it |
| 17:21 jair | lazyb0y: I see |
| 17:21 lazyb0y | but, when creating a miroor, you don't have to copy the full ftp.debian.org |
| 17:21 jair | well I really will have to go through the documentation and test both |
| 17:21 sepski | jair, the mirror have the package when you need it, the proxy need to get it from the net when it's first requested so a mirror is better for a disconnected network |
| 17:21 lazyb0y | you can limit on architecture, debian release, and binary/sources |
| 17:22 lazyb0y | so, a minimal mirror has something like the binaries of etch i386 |
| 17:22 jair | I see |
| 17:22 jair | I have to go to work guys, but I will come back more often :) |
| 17:22 jair | I can't wait to start testing this |
| 17:22 jair | :) |
| 17:22 lazyb0y | have fun |
| 17:22 sepski | good luck |
| 17:23 jair | Thank you, Danke, Gracias, Grazie, Obrigado, Gum ma guo, :) |
| 17:23 jair | I will talk to you guys later |
| 17:23 sepski | are there any more details about lvm then what's on the wiki ? i find it's geared more towards raid then lvm |
| 17:23 jair | I will be back in the night later |
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| 19:09 stockholm | wieder verpasst |
| 19:10 stockholm | gibt es einen trick die festplatten anders anzusprechen als mit sda sdb sdc etc? |
| 19:11 stockholm | gerade hat er wohl vier scsi platten gefunden, aber nicht a-d sonder b-e |
| 19:11 stockholm | also nicht sda sdb sdc sdd |
| 19:11 stockholm | sondern sdb sdc sdd sde |
| 19:11 stockholm | das mal vorher hatte er a-d |
| 19:12 stockholm | jetzt hat er schon wieder b-e |
| 19:13 stockholm | man kan ja disk/by-id benutzen um solche probleme zu vermeiden und eine eindeutige bootreihenfolge zu erhalten aber das ist ja bei fai völlig unerwünscht. |
| 19:13 stockholm | man will ja eine allgemeine beschreibung und trotzdem reproduzierbare ergebnisse |
| 19:14 stockholm | wieder b-e |
| 19:14 stockholm | grummel |
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| 19:26 stockholm | still no luck with the boot order |
| 19:41 lazyb0y | stockholm: geht nicht auch eine numerierung - disk1 etc.? |
| 19:42 lazyb0y | irgendsowas gibt's doch, ich hab's aber nicht im kopf grad |
| 20:05 stockholm | lazyb0y: ich benutze ja jetzt das setup_harddisks 2 |
| 20:05 stockholm | vom mt |
| 20:05 stockholm | da gibts das nicht mehr |
| 20:05 stockholm | lazyb0y: aber ich stimme dir zu, das wäre sehr gut |
| 20:06 stockholm | ich kann eine mail an die liste schicken |
| 20:13 sepski | PACKAGE aptitude-r don't install all the recomendations, is that normal ? must they be specified manually ? |
| 20:20 sepski | tried with taskinst too, but same there |
| 20:45 stockholm | mail sent |
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| 20:58 stockholm | MT: hi |
| 20:59 MT | hi! |
| 20:59 stockholm | MT: ich habe gerade eine setup_harddisks_2 mail geschrieben |
| 20:59 stockholm | schon gesehen? |
| 20:59 MT | hmm, nö |
| 20:59 stockholm | schau mal auf der linux-fai liste |
| 21:14 lazyb0y | is noch nicht angekommen |
| 21:14 stockholm | duh |
| 21:14 stockholm | mal schauen ob es hier steckt |
| 21:17 stockholm | Oct 7 22:41:52 barnabas postfix/smtp[31149]: 1CD4714C359: to=<linux-fai@uni-koeln.de>, relay=seraph.rrz.uni-koeln.de[134.95.19.134]:25, delay=0.87, delays=0.11/0.01/0.6/0.16, dsn=2.0.0, status=sent (250 ok: Message 4602447 accepted) |
| 21:17 stockholm | wird das moderiert? |
| 21:19 MT | nö, aber ich glaube Du musst subscribed sein, das ist alles |
| 21:19 stockholm | bin ich ja |
| 21:22 stockholm | ich schicke es dir nochmal direkt |
| 21:22 stockholm | MT: ich habe deine email von det arbeit in der liste gefunden |
| 21:23 stockholm | soll ich es dahin schicken oder liest du das heute abend eher nicht mehr? |
| 21:23 MT | doch, schreib einfach! |
| 21:23 stockholm | ok |
| 21:28 stockholm | sent |
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| 21:28 stockholm | MT: ich habe es nochmal geschickt und dich ins cc genommen |
| 21:28 MT | thx |
| 21:31 MT | commit access kann Dir wohl nur Mrfai geben |
| 21:32 stockholm | ah |
| 21:32 MT | -> aber ich freue mich sehr, wenn Du direkt in meinen branch committest |
| 21:32 stockholm | ok |
| 21:32 MT | bin auch kein Freund der ewigen diffs/patches |
| 21:33 stockholm | dann werde ich mal morgen checken ob ich den nicht bekommen kann :-) |
| 21:33 MT | also bloß nicht davon abschrecken lassen, dass der branch people/michael/ heißt :-) |
| 21:33 stockholm | ok |
| 21:33 stockholm | :-) |
| 21:33 MT | am besten Mrfai direkt anmailen |
| 21:33 MT | brauchst aber einen alioth account |
| 21:33 MT | falls Du den nicht eh hast |
| 21:33 stockholm | hab ich doch |
| 21:33 stockholm | ich dachte auch dass ich schon irgendwo commitaccess habe |
| 21:33 stockholm | im fai baum |
| 21:34 stockholm | faibaum und maibaum reimen sich |
| 21:34 MT | :-) |
| 21:34 MT | zu Problem 2 (disk1) |
| 21:34 MT | also vorgesehen ist das schon |
| 21:34 stockholm | ah |
| 21:34 stockholm | super |
| 21:35 MT | ist $disklist im environment? |
| 21:35 MT | hast Du den perl-Code gerade vor Dir? |
| 21:35 MT | Zeile 51 in shdd2-init |
| 21:37 stockholm | moment |
| 21:37 stockholm | ich war gerade bailys holen :-) |
| 21:37 MT | Problem 1 sollte relativ einfach zu fixen sein, ist wohl nur eine kleine Erweiterung des Parsers |
| 21:37 stockholm | ja, das sollte man schnell hinkriegen |
| 21:38 MT | Problem 3 ist definitiv ein Bug, ich weiß nur noch nicht wo ... |
| 21:38 MT | also wenn Du ein bisschen Zeit zum hacken/debuggen hast, wäre das super |
| 21:38 MT | ich werde heute und morgen wohl keine Zeit für die bugs haben |
| 21:40 stockholm | ich aber :-) |
| 21:40 stockholm | wie gebe ich denn debug ausgaben aus? |
| 21:40 stockholm | ich würde gerne die disklist ausgeben |
| 21:41 MT | ( $FAI::debug > 0 ) and print "Input was:\n" . $input; |
| 21:41 stockholm | ok |
| 21:42 MT | ( $FAI::debug > 0 ) and print Dumper "disklist:\n" . \@FAI::disks; |
| 21:42 MT | (sollte klappen) |
| 21:43 stockholm | wo soll ich denn nach dem lvm keyword suchen? |
| 21:43 MT | also interessant wär zu wissen, wo er diese Fehlermeldung bringt |
| 21:43 stockholm | ok |
| 21:43 stockholm | bist du online morgen? |
| 21:43 MT | ja, meistens schon |
| 21:44 stockholm | supi :-) |
| 21:44 MT | also Du kannst jedenfalls mal debug-ausgabe in den parser reinbauen |
| 21:44 stockholm | ok |
| 21:44 MT | nach Zeile 378 in shdd2-parser |
| 21:44 stockholm | geht los |
| 21:47 stockholm | MT: in zeile 393 sieht es ja auch so aus als ob disk1 unterstützt würde |
| 21:47 stockholm | ist der kode noch nicht vollständig? |
| 21:48 MT | also eigentlich sollte der schon vollständig sein |
| 21:49 stockholm | fein |
| 21:49 MT | wir in init_disk_config (ab Zeile 142 in shdd2-parser) übersetzt |
| 21:49 stockholm | wie sollte dann die zeile mit der vg definition aussehen? |
| 21:50 MT | die - welche Zeile? |
| 21:51 stockholm | in meiner mail die zeile vg my_pv sda3, sdb2, sdc2, sdd2 |
| 21:51 stockholm | wenn ich disk1 etc statt sda etc schreibe |
| 21:53 MT | also Fehler 1: |
| 21:53 MT | kein space zwischen sda3, sdb2 |
| 21:53 MT | etc. |
| 21:53 MT | und mit disk1 |
| 21:53 MT | also das ist an dieser Stelle nicht implementiert |
| 21:54 MT | bzw. so noch nicht vorgesehen |
| 21:54 MT | hmm, sollte man aber wohl |
| 21:54 stockholm | muss man wohl |
| 21:55 MT | da brauchen wir noch eine Syntax |
| 21:55 MT | wie disk1.1 |
| 21:55 MT | oder so |
| 21:55 stockholm | wie macht man das mit der partition... genau |
| 21:55 stockholm | spricht eigendlich nix dagegen das so zu schreiben, oder? |
| 21:56 MT | nö, glaub das wär ganz gut so |
| 21:56 MT | kannst Du gerne implementieren |
| 21:56 MT | oder sonst bitte einfach im Wiki in die TODO liste schreiben |
| 21:56 stockholm | danke :-) |
| 21:56 stockholm | ok, ich werde mal sehen wie ich da durchsteige :-) |
| 21:57 MT | also im parser ist ja eine EBNF drin |
| 21:57 MT | als Kommentar |
| 21:57 MT | und genau so ist dann auch die Implementierung des parsers |
| 21:57 MT | hmm, fast genau so :-) |
| 21:57 stockholm | EBNF? |
| 21:57 MT | also im Kommentar heißt das ding size: |
| 21:58 MT | extended backus naur form |
| 21:58 MT | beschreibung der syntax |
| 21:58 stockholm | was ok |
| 21:58 stockholm | ok |
| 21:58 MT | Zeile 582 |
| 21:58 stockholm | erwartungsgemäss kommt er scheinbar nie an die stelle mit dem lvm parser |
| 21:59 stockholm | und ich sehe auch keine ausgabe der disklist. |
| 22:00 stockholm | naja, ich bin jetzt echt müde. ich hau mich mal aufs ohr :-) |
| 22:00 stockholm | gute nacht :-) |
| 22:00 MT | gute Nacht! |
| 22:00 MT | noch etwas für den Start morgen |
| 22:01 MT | Zeile 402 |
| 22:01 MT | da müsste er dann landen, wenn er das lvm nicht richtig sieht |
| 22:01 stockholm | ok |
| 22:01 stockholm | im parser? |
| 22:01 MT | genau |
| 22:02 stockholm | ja, richtig |
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