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| 07:30 Mrfai | torkel: I would be perfect if I get the patch for the documentation for #342467: fai: nfsroot hooks until today. I like to release FAI 3.2.1 in the afternoon |
| 07:31 h01ger | Mrfai, i'll look at the config-svn patch in an hour... |
| 07:33 Mrfai | h01ger: Great. Thank you very much! |
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| 08:09 torkel | Mrfai: I'm not sure I can manage to do it today, but I will try |
| 08:09 torkel | unless I can pursade zqad to do it... :-) |
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| 08:29 torkel | Mrfai: by the way, FAI_HOOK_DIR should probably be replaced with FAI_NFSHOOK_DIR, as it is only meant for make-fai-nfsroot |
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| 08:47 h01ger | Mrfai, i'm also absolutly in favor of FAI_NFSHOOK_DIR - otherwise it really gets confusing. i was already thinking if i could modify the nfsroot class-based.... |
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| 08:56 h01ger | MT, congrats! (-newmaint) |
| 08:57 MT | it's making progress... |
| 08:57 MT | - but how did you notice? |
| 08:57 MT | :-) |
| 08:57 h01ger | MT, you'll be a DD before lenny :) |
| 08:58 h01ger | MT, i'm subscribed to debian-newmaint@l.d.o |
| 09:03 MT | ah :-) |
| 09:08 h01ger | Mrfai, i'm testing now "svn" (442021) and "svn+ssh with username" (415875) - i'm fairly sure that my version works, as i've been using this in my branch. |
| 09:08 h01ger | the side effect will be that i switch my installations to 3.2.1 :) |
| 09:14 h01ger | Mrfai, ok. what is in trunk doesnt work: |
| 09:14 h01ger | # explaination: svn co -username foo svn+ssh://bar doesnt work as svn co svn+ssh://foo@bar |
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| 09:33 h01ger | Mrfai, fai-client should really recommend cfengine2 |
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| 10:03 h01ger | Mrfai, fai-client should also suggest subversion and git-core |
| 10:05 Mrfai | What about FAI_NFSROOT_HOOK, without the DIR in the variable name? |
| 10:05 h01ger | fine |
| 10:06 Mrfai | or even with the FAI_ |
| 10:06 h01ger | Mrfai, i'm commiting now my version of fai-config-dir-svn to trunk?! |
| 10:07 h01ger | Mrfai, what do you think about the suggest/recommends to fai-client (cfengine2 (recommends), subversion+git-core (suggest))? |
| Action: h01ger tested fai-config-dir-svn with svn (without username) and svn+ssh (with username) |
| 10:08 h01ger | but i think svn+http(s) with username is still broken (but - by looking at the code - i also think it never worked) |
| 10:09 Mrfai | h01ger: yep please commit get-config-dir-svn to trunk |
| 10:10 h01ger | ok |
| 10:10 torkel | without DIR some people may think that it is a file, not a directory. Dropping FAI_ I'm fine with too |
| 10:11 Mrfai | cfengine2 was remove from recommends, because somebody had problems when using an own version of cfengine. And since the simple examples are not included in fai-client I remove cfengine2 from depends or recommends. I think we should discuss thos thing on the FAI workshop. I do not like to change such kind of think in a last minute fashion. |
| 10:12 torkel | should the directory it points to be renamed to nfsroot-hooks? (i.e dropping make-fai-) |
| 10:12 Mrfai | NFSROOT_HOOKS? Then everybody know, that ist must be a directory |
| 10:12 h01ger | commited |
| 10:12 torkel | sure |
| 10:12 Mrfai | torkel: yep, good idea |
| Action: Mrfai suggests: #NFSROOT_HOOKS=/etc/fai/nfsroot-hooks/ |
| 10:13 h01ger | Mrfai, recommends is defined as "installed in all but unusual situations". i think that perfectly fits cfengine2. |
| Action: h01ger thinks #NFSROOT_HOOKS=/etc/fai/nfsroot-hooks/ is good |
| Action: h01ger will open a wishlist bug about those recommends and suggests, so we dont forget |
| 10:14 Mrfai | h01ger: lets discuss the recommends, suggest thigs (there are more than cfengine2) at the workshop |
| 10:14 Mrfai | ok |
| 10:14 Mrfai | h01ger: maybe ther's already a bug for some kind of recommdns, suggest. I not sure |
| Action: h01ger checks |
| 10:18 h01ger | no bug exists |
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| 11:01 torkel | Mrfai: short, full of grammatical and spelling errors, but at least something -> http://www.hpc2n.umu.se/staff/torkel/fai/patches/nfsroot_hook-doc.diff |
| 11:08 kugg | is there anyone here whom is not from germany or sweden? |
| 11:11 mikap | does austria count? :) |
| 11:12 mikap | # dpkg -L fai-client fai-server | xargs grep 'task_instsoft' |
| 11:12 mikap | /usr/lib/fai/subroutines-linux:task_instsoft() { |
| 11:12 mikap | /usr/lib/fai/subroutines-linux:task_instsoft() { |
| 11:12 mikap | -> where is task_instsoft used?! |
| 11:14 torkel | mikap: use grep -e "task.instsoft" instead |
| 11:16 mikap | torkel: huh? why that? and it doesn't change the output ;) |
| 11:17 mikap | hm, there seems to be the 'fai $action' why I can't find it with grep.... |
| 11:17 mikap | fai dirinstall exits with 0 even though there's a problem with execution (not a FAI problem though) |
| 11:17 torkel | mikap: because the call looks like 'task instsoft' |
| 11:18 mikap | torkel: ahhhh, damned, I missed your '.' - thanks! :) |
| 11:26 Mrfai | torkel: thank for the patches. Included with minor change. |
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| Action: Mrfai just uploded FAI 3.2.1 |
| 12:07 Mrfai | now also available through eb http://www.informatik.uni-koeln.de/fai/download etch koeln |
| 12:08 h01ger | cheers! |
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| 12:42 h01ger | lazyb0y, das faiwiki schickt mir kein neues passwort, ergo kann ich mich nicht einloggen, ergo nicht meine teilnahme beim linuxhotelworkshop eintragen. kannst du das bitte fuer mich machen? |
| 12:43 h01ger | grumpf. ich sollte auch den softupdate-git branch im wiki loeschen... |
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| 12:49 stockholm | was ist neu in 3.2.1? |
| 12:51 h01ger | viele verbesserungen im detail zu 3.2 |
| 12:51 h01ger | git support :) |
| 12:51 h01ger | und siehe changelog (und NEWS.Debian, sofern da was steht) |
| 12:52 Mrfai | stockholm: siehe changelog. Mein faforit: faimond-gui |
| 12:52 Mrfai | upps. favorit meinte ich |
| 12:53 stockholm | ja, das |
| Action: h01ger findet faimond-gui auch sehr hypsch, so als proof of concept. richtig was hermachen tut das ding IMO noch nicht. (hermachen as in sinnvoll benutzen) |
| 12:53 h01ger | aber 1000^w100mal besser als der alte faimond ;) |
| 12:53 Mrfai | h01ger: installiere du mal zwei dutzend Rechner auf einen Schlag. |
| 12:55 h01ger | Mrfai, nicht alleine. aber sonst.. |
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| 13:06 sheldonh | how do i get fai-setup to use my apt-proxy for the upgrading step? (i have it working for the initial chroot creation, just not the upgrade) |
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| 13:09 Mrfai | /etc/fai/apt/sources.list |
| 13:11 h01ger | lazyb0y, i got the mail now. my 7th login attempt worked. now i logged in, try to edit and get: "You must confirm your e-mail address before editing pages. Please set and validate your e-mail address through your user preferences." |
| Action: h01ger takes a deep breath from his crack pipe |
| 13:12 h01ger | (to that very email address the password was sent...) |
| 13:13 h01ger | now i can wait again for that confirmation email... *lalala* |
| 13:13 oz_ | fai-wiki? |
| 13:13 h01ger | ja |
| Action: oz_ still votes for integration of Documentation in fai-wiki |
| 13:15 oz_ | the script is still working |
| 13:19 h01ger | oz_, which script? |
| 13:20 h01ger | oz_, in debian-edu we write the doc in a wiki, then export it as docbook, create po files from there, translate it with po files (and tools), and create docbook again, which we then convert into html, pdf, $younameit. all scripted of course :) |
| Action: h01ger wants to convice Mrfai to use this for fai at the dev-workshop in the linuxhotel |
| Action: Mrfai votes against using a wiki for writing documentation |
| 13:21 h01ger | hehe :) |
| 13:21 h01ger | ja, the mediawiki commit mails are not so good... |
| 13:22 h01ger | moinmoin produces nicer ones, ime |
| 13:23 mikap | Mrfai: use asciidoc or ikiwiki |
| 13:25 Mrfai | mikap: yes, my plan is to look at asciidoc |
| 13:26 mikap | Mrfai: if you need example files -> http://hg.grml.org/grml-debootstrap/file/tip/grml-debootstrap.8.txt |
| 13:27 mikap | Mrfai: we have a new toolchain which provides all the asciidoc documentation written by grml-devs in one single directory => http://grml.org/online-docs/ |
| 13:27 mikap | output html, manpage and PDF without any problems OOTB by asciidoc |
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| 13:30 Mrfai | mikap: too early for details. Let's discuss this on the developers workshop. |
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| 13:31 h01ger | mikap, can you translate asciidoc files? best with po files.. |
| 13:31 h01ger | Mrfai, you can edit mediawiki with emacs/joe/vi/kate via the mediawiki-filesystem... |
| 13:32 mikap | Mrfai: ok, where just hints if you need some for starting |
| 13:33 mikap | h01ger: I don't think so, but translation is a matter of the target audience |
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| 13:34 h01ger | the fai target audience wants translations... |
| 13:35 mikap | you think so? I don't think so :) |
| 13:35 h01ger | or how do you explain the guide was translated in 4 languages? because the admins have nothing to thanks to fai |
| Action: h01ger sighs |
| 13:35 mikap | I don't know, sorry ;) |
| 13:35 mikap | I just said that "translation is a matter of the target audience" |
| 13:35 h01ger | dont worry, no need to be sorry for your opinion :) |
| 13:36 mikap | sysadmins that can't handle english aren't sysadmins IMHO (no serious, hardcore documentation is available in anything else than english in the OS-world) |
| 13:37 mikap | stuff like "how to start; technical details;..." matter |
| 13:37 mikap | 'cause the usual translation is just out of date and therefore useless in most cases (again: IMHO ;)) |
| 13:37 h01ger | mikap, IMHO you have no clue about the world (of sysadmins ;) there are plenty of sysadmins who dont speak english well (or at all). its just not common in germany or sweden, but in many many countries sysadmins dont speak english |
| 13:38 h01ger | heck. even in germany |
| 13:38 mikap | h01ger: might be so, *I* never met a real sysadmin who can't deal with english |
| 13:38 h01ger | debian-edu has lots of teachers as sysadmins that dont speak english. some cannot even read english. |
| 13:38 h01ger | s/teachers/german teachers/ |
| 13:39 Mrfai | let's discuss this topic at the developers workshop |
| 13:39 mikap | oh, that's ok and that's a different point of view then :) for me such a person isn't a real sysadmin ;) |
| 13:39 h01ger | mikap, have you ever been to brazil, china, russia? |
| 13:39 mikap | h01ger: no, but talked to people from there |
| 13:39 Mrfai | mikap: a lot of 'not real sysadmin' like to use FAI. I was also wondering when I heard this for the first time |
| 13:40 mikap | Mrfai: same problem at grml ;) but someone who can't read the mdadm manpage won't be happy as a sysadmin at all |
| 13:40 h01ger | .oO( warum ist dieser kanal wohl zweisprachig? wir koennten auch deutsch hier verbieten, da alle super english koennen ;) |
| 13:40 mikap | Mrfai: if I make it easier for beginners I reach the wrong users |
| 13:40 mikap | h01ger: keine ahnung ;) |
| 13:41 h01ger | mikap, translate the mdadm manpage? (and all kernel messages too...) |
| 13:41 mikap | h01ger: see what I mean? |
| 13:41 h01ger | noe |
| 13:41 mikap | mal auf deutsch ;) man holt sich damit falsche leute in die eigene zielgruppe |
| 13:42 h01ger | you can perfetcly use fai without knowing mdadm |
| 13:42 mikap | ich hab eine unzahl von leuten die grml2hd verwenden weil es so einfach zu bedienen ist; aber die können Debian/unstable nicht handhaben |
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| 13:42 h01ger | mikap, you're out. nur falsche leute sprechen deutsch. und ich bin auch out, lass das thema wann anders fortsetzen ;) |
| 13:43 mikap | h01ger: k :) |
| 13:43 h01ger | fain :) |
| 13:44 mikap | *ggg* |
| 14:03 lazyb0y | h01ger: geht's jetzt? das mit der email confirmation hatte ich ja geschrieben im wiki update announcement! das ist dazu da, dass wir weder spam haben noch jeden neuen editor manuell eintragen muessen |
| 14:03 h01ger | ja |
| 14:04 h01ger | (und ich bin alter user) |
| 14:04 lazyb0y | ja, das liess sich nicht vermeiden - auch vorhanden euser muessen ihre email adresse einmal confirmen |
| 14:09 sheldonh | Mrfai: thanks. and for installed hosts, i'd have to give the chroot a bogus sources.list that references the apt-proxy, and then add a post-install hook to overwrite it with a real one, yes? |
| 14:17 Mrfai | yep |
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| Action: h01ger considers filing a wishlist bug to drop the last dot in "ERRORS found in log files. See /var/log/fai/current/error.log." - that would make copy'n'paste soo much easier ;) |
| 14:48 Mrfai | that a lot work for just dropping a dot. |
| 14:48 h01ger | yeah. "considers" was a bit strong already |
| 14:49 h01ger | but i'd be happy if you remove it :) |
| 14:49 h01ger | (and will survive if you dont) |
| 14:58 lazyb0y | good idea to remove this dot! |
| 14:58 lazyb0y | that reminds mw of filing a wishlist bug for making the color banner configurable to avaoiud having to touch .nocolorlogo after each make-fai-nfsroot |
| 14:59 lazyb0y | I don't think the color logo brings really a lot on terms of merketing, but makes debugging a hassle all the time |
| 15:01 Mrfai | lazyb0y: The FAI Enterprise Edition will have no logo ;-) |
| 15:02 lazyb0y | it should be exactly the other way around... enterprises need to pay even more if they want the logo removed - open source developers and users have no money, anyway - they are just annoyed and will attack your servers :) |
| 15:03 lazyb0y | and DOS the faiwiki and things like that, haha |
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| 15:23 baldy | jiji |
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| 15:30 h01ger | lazyb0y, at least we can now use a hook to touch that file (to get rid of the logo) |
| Action: h01ger would prefer if the logo would be there on default, but without colors. and color logo could be an option. the ANSI codes are the problem... |
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| 15:36 lazyb0y | for me, not the color is the problem, but the fact that it blocks the screen... |
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| 15:36 lazyb0y | at which point/which task cann the loggo be hooked away? |
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| 15:45 h01ger | lazyb0y, make-fai-nfsroot now has hooks.. |
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| 15:53 lazyb0y | didn't look at 3.2 since beta11 or so... |
| 15:53 lazyb0y | is nfsroot now "dirinstalled"? |
| 15:53 lazyb0y | as was planned for a while... |
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| 16:04 h01ger | lazyb0y, no |
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| 16:05 lazyb0y | but it has hoockas and the package config file NFSROOT... enough foir a start :) |
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| 16:11 h01ger | disabling the logo should probably be in the simple examples ;) |
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| 18:56 torkel | getting rid of the color logo was one of the reasons I made the nfsroot hooks initially :-) |
| 19:01 h01ger | :) |
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| 20:22 BarryAllen | hi... is there some way to do an bootstrap of amd64 arch packages on a 32bits processor? |
| 20:22 h01ger | qemu |
| 20:22 h01ger | +hi BarryAllen |
| 20:23 BarryAllen | h01ger, hi |
| 20:23 BarryAllen | im trying a multi arch setup to fai... |
| 20:23 BarryAllen | so, i can doo the bootstrap on a virtual machine, and later.... copy the nfsroot ? |
| 20:23 h01ger | yes |
| 20:23 h01ger | (though if you have real hw, you should probably bootstrap there :) |
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| 21:50 BarryAllen | h01ger, are u there? |
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