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[07:33] h01ger: Great. Thank you very much! [07:37] VattaFarI (~VattaFarI@tmo-106-1.customers.d1-online.com) joined #fai. [07:37] VattaFarI (~VattaFarI@tmo-106-1.customers.d1-online.com) left irc: [07:58] Action: oz_ gruesst kurz aus Goettingen [08:09] Mrfai: I'm not sure I can manage to do it today, but I will try [08:09] unless I can pursade zqad to do it... :-) [08:27] allee (~ach@allee.mpe.mpg.de) joined #fai. [08:27] allee (~ach@allee.mpe.mpg.de) left irc: [08:29] Mrfai: by the way, FAI_HOOK_DIR should probably be replaced with FAI_NFSHOOK_DIR, as it is only meant for make-fai-nfsroot [08:31] i-R2D258 (~deed@tor-irc.dnsbl.oftc.net) joined #fai. [08:36] i-R2D2 (~deed@tor-irc.dnsbl.oftc.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 480 seconds [08:47] Mrfai, i'm also absolutly in favor of FAI_NFSHOOK_DIR - otherwise it really gets confusing. i was already thinking if i could modify the nfsroot class-based.... [08:47] MT (~MT@dove.informatik.tu-muenchen.de) joined #fai. [08:51] sanso|work__ (~sanso@194.120.17.62) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [08:52] sanso|work__ (~sanso@194.120.17.62) joined #fai. [08:56] MT, congrats! (-newmaint) [08:57] it's making progress... [08:57] - but how did you notice? [08:57] :-) [08:57] MT, you'll be a DD before lenny :) [08:58] MT, i'm subscribed to debian-newmaint@l.d.o [09:03] ah :-) [09:08] Mrfai, i'm testing now "svn" (442021) and "svn+ssh with username" (415875) - i'm fairly sure that my version works, as i've been using this in my branch. [09:08] the side effect will be that i switch my installations to 3.2.1 :) [09:14] Mrfai, ok. what is in trunk doesnt work: [09:14] # explaination: svn co -username foo svn+ssh://bar doesnt work as svn co svn+ssh://foo@bar [09:17] allee (~ach@allee.mpe.mpg.de) joined #fai. [09:17] Action: h01ger wonders if svn+http(s) works (or rather: ever worked) with a username [09:21] h01ger (~holger@socket.layer-acht.org) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [09:21] h01ger (~holger@socket.layer-acht.org) joined #fai. [09:33] Mrfai, fai-client should really recommend cfengine2 [09:40] i-R2D258 (~deed@tor-irc.dnsbl.oftc.net) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [09:50] i-R2D258 (~deed@tor-irc.dnsbl.oftc.net) joined #fai. [10:03] Mrfai, fai-client should also suggest subversion and git-core [10:05] What about FAI_NFSROOT_HOOK, without the DIR in the variable name? [10:05] fine [10:06] or even with the FAI_ [10:06] Mrfai, i'm commiting now my version of fai-config-dir-svn to trunk?! [10:07] Mrfai, what do you think about the suggest/recommends to fai-client (cfengine2 (recommends), subversion+git-core (suggest))? [10:07] Action: h01ger tested fai-config-dir-svn with svn (without username) and svn+ssh (with username) [10:08] but i think svn+http(s) with username is still broken (but - by looking at the code - i also think it never worked) [10:09] h01ger: yep please commit get-config-dir-svn to trunk [10:10] ok [10:10] without DIR some people may think that it is a file, not a directory. Dropping FAI_ I'm fine with too [10:11] cfengine2 was remove from recommends, because somebody had problems when using an own version of cfengine. And since the simple examples are not included in fai-client I remove cfengine2 from depends or recommends. I think we should discuss thos thing on the FAI workshop. I do not like to change such kind of think in a last minute fashion. [10:12] should the directory it points to be renamed to nfsroot-hooks? (i.e dropping make-fai-) [10:12] NFSROOT_HOOKS? Then everybody know, that ist must be a directory [10:12] commited [10:12] sure [10:12] torkel: yep, good idea [10:13] Action: Mrfai suggests: #NFSROOT_HOOKS=/etc/fai/nfsroot-hooks/ [10:13] Mrfai, recommends is defined as "installed in all but unusual situations". i think that perfectly fits cfengine2. [10:13] Action: h01ger thinks #NFSROOT_HOOKS=/etc/fai/nfsroot-hooks/ is good [10:13] Action: h01ger will open a wishlist bug about those recommends and suggests, so we dont forget [10:14] h01ger: lets discuss the recommends, suggest thigs (there are more than cfengine2) at the workshop [10:14] ok [10:14] h01ger: maybe ther's already a bug for some kind of recommdns, suggest. I not sure [10:16] Action: h01ger checks [10:18] no bug exists [10:19] Nick change: MT -> Guest468 [10:19] Guest468 (~MT@dove.informatik.tu-muenchen.de) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [10:19] MT (~MT@dove.informatik.tu-muenchen.de) joined #fai. [10:25] Nick change: MT -> Guest469 [10:25] Guest469 (~MT@dove.informatik.tu-muenchen.de) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [10:25] MT (~MT@dove.informatik.tu-muenchen.de) joined #fai. [10:48] MT (~MT@dove.informatik.tu-muenchen.de) left irc: Quit: MT [10:57] skiold (~skiold@84.121.91.161.dyn.user.ono.com) joined #fai. [11:01] Mrfai: short, full of grammatical and spelling errors, but at least something -> http://www.hpc2n.umu.se/staff/torkel/fai/patches/nfsroot_hook-doc.diff [11:08] is there anyone here whom is not from germany or sweden? [11:11] does austria count? :) [11:12] # dpkg -L fai-client fai-server | xargs grep 'task_instsoft' [11:12] /usr/lib/fai/subroutines-linux:task_instsoft() { [11:12] /usr/lib/fai/subroutines-linux:task_instsoft() { [11:12] -> where is task_instsoft used?! [11:14] mikap: use grep -e "task.instsoft" instead [11:16] torkel: huh? why that? and it doesn't change the output ;) [11:17] hm, there seems to be the 'fai $action' why I can't find it with grep.... [11:17] fai dirinstall exits with 0 even though there's a problem with execution (not a FAI problem though) [11:17] mikap: because the call looks like 'task instsoft' [11:18] torkel: ahhhh, damned, I missed your '.' - thanks! :) [11:26] torkel: thank for the patches. Included with minor change. [12:03] skiold (~skiold@84.121.91.161.dyn.user.ono.com) left irc: Quit: skiold [12:05] Action: Mrfai just uploded FAI 3.2.1 [12:07] now also available through eb http://www.informatik.uni-koeln.de/fai/download etch koeln [12:08] cheers! [12:30] MT (~MT@dove.informatik.tu-muenchen.de) joined #fai. [12:42] lazyb0y, das faiwiki schickt mir kein neues passwort, ergo kann ich mich nicht einloggen, ergo nicht meine teilnahme beim linuxhotelworkshop eintragen. kannst du das bitte fuer mich machen? [12:43] grumpf. ich sollte auch den softupdate-git branch im wiki loeschen... [12:43] sanso|work__ (~sanso@194.120.17.62) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [12:43] sanso|work__ (~sanso@194.120.17.62) joined #fai. [12:49] was ist neu in 3.2.1? [12:51] viele verbesserungen im detail zu 3.2 [12:51] git support :) [12:51] und siehe changelog (und NEWS.Debian, sofern da was steht) [12:52] stockholm: siehe changelog. Mein faforit: faimond-gui [12:52] upps. favorit meinte ich [12:53] ja, das [12:53] Action: h01ger findet faimond-gui auch sehr hypsch, so als proof of concept. richtig was hermachen tut das ding IMO noch nicht. (hermachen as in sinnvoll benutzen) [12:53] aber 1000^w100mal besser als der alte faimond ;) [12:53] h01ger: installiere du mal zwei dutzend Rechner auf einen Schlag. [12:55] Mrfai, nicht alleine. aber sonst.. [13:06] sheldonh (~sheldonh@66.219.59.32) joined #fai. [13:06] skiold (~skiold@84.121.91.161.dyn.user.ono.com) joined #fai. 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[13:20] oz_, in debian-edu we write the doc in a wiki, then export it as docbook, create po files from there, translate it with po files (and tools), and create docbook again, which we then convert into html, pdf, $younameit. all scripted of course :) [13:21] Action: h01ger wants to convice Mrfai to use this for fai at the dev-workshop in the linuxhotel [13:21] Action: Mrfai votes against using a wiki for writing documentation [13:21] hehe :) [13:21] ja, the mediawiki commit mails are not so good... [13:22] moinmoin produces nicer ones, ime [13:23] Mrfai: use asciidoc or ikiwiki [13:25] mikap: yes, my plan is to look at asciidoc [13:26] Mrfai: if you need example files -> http://hg.grml.org/grml-debootstrap/file/tip/grml-debootstrap.8.txt [13:27] Mrfai: we have a new toolchain which provides all the asciidoc documentation written by grml-devs in one single directory => http://grml.org/online-docs/ [13:27] output html, manpage and PDF without any problems OOTB by asciidoc [13:29] sanso|work__ (~sanso@194.120.17.62) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [13:30] mikap: too early for details. Let's discuss this on the developers workshop. [13:30] sanso|work__ (~sanso@194.120.17.62) joined #fai. [13:31] mikap, can you translate asciidoc files? best with po files.. [13:31] Mrfai, you can edit mediawiki with emacs/joe/vi/kate via the mediawiki-filesystem... [13:32] Mrfai: ok, where just hints if you need some for starting [13:33] h01ger: I don't think so, but translation is a matter of the target audience [13:34] Action: h01ger sighs [13:34] the fai target audience wants translations... [13:35] you think so? I don't think so :) [13:35] or how do you explain the guide was translated in 4 languages? because the admins have nothing to thanks to fai [13:35] Action: h01ger sighs [13:35] I don't know, sorry ;) [13:35] I just said that "translation is a matter of the target audience" [13:35] dont worry, no need to be sorry for your opinion :) [13:36] sysadmins that can't handle english aren't sysadmins IMHO (no serious, hardcore documentation is available in anything else than english in the OS-world) [13:37] stuff like "how to start; technical details;..." matter [13:37] 'cause the usual translation is just out of date and therefore useless in most cases (again: IMHO ;)) [13:37] mikap, IMHO you have no clue about the world (of sysadmins ;) there are plenty of sysadmins who dont speak english well (or at all). its just not common in germany or sweden, but in many many countries sysadmins dont speak english [13:38] heck. even in germany [13:38] h01ger: might be so, *I* never met a real sysadmin who can't deal with english [13:38] debian-edu has lots of teachers as sysadmins that dont speak english. some cannot even read english. [13:38] s/teachers/german teachers/ [13:39] let's discuss this topic at the developers workshop [13:39] oh, that's ok and that's a different point of view then :) for me such a person isn't a real sysadmin ;) [13:39] mikap, have you ever been to brazil, china, russia? [13:39] h01ger: no, but talked to people from there [13:39] mikap: a lot of 'not real sysadmin' like to use FAI. I was also wondering when I heard this for the first time [13:40] Mrfai: same problem at grml ;) but someone who can't read the mdadm manpage won't be happy as a sysadmin at all [13:40] .oO( warum ist dieser kanal wohl zweisprachig? wir koennten auch deutsch hier verbieten, da alle super english koennen ;) [13:40] Mrfai: if I make it easier for beginners I reach the wrong users [13:40] h01ger: keine ahnung ;) [13:41] mikap, translate the mdadm manpage? (and all kernel messages too...) [13:41] h01ger: see what I mean? [13:41] noe [13:41] mal auf deutsch ;) man holt sich damit falsche leute in die eigene zielgruppe [13:42] you can perfetcly use fai without knowing mdadm [13:42] ich hab eine unzahl von leuten die grml2hd verwenden weil es so einfach zu bedienen ist; aber die können Debian/unstable nicht handhaben [13:42] Nick change: \sh -> \sh_away [13:42] mikap, you're out. nur falsche leute sprechen deutsch. und ich bin auch out, lass das thema wann anders fortsetzen ;) [13:43] h01ger: k :) [13:43] fain :) [13:44] *ggg* [14:03] h01ger: geht's jetzt? das mit der email confirmation hatte ich ja geschrieben im wiki update announcement! das ist dazu da, dass wir weder spam haben noch jeden neuen editor manuell eintragen muessen [14:03] ja [14:04] (und ich bin alter user) [14:04] ja, das liess sich nicht vermeiden - auch vorhanden euser muessen ihre email adresse einmal confirmen [14:09] Mrfai: thanks. and for installed hosts, i'd have to give the chroot a bogus sources.list that references the apt-proxy, and then add a post-install hook to overwrite it with a real one, yes? [14:17] yep [14:20] sanso|work_ (~sanso@194.120.17.62) joined #fai. [14:20] sanso|work__ (~sanso@194.120.17.62) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [14:47] Action: h01ger considers filing a wishlist bug to drop the last dot in "ERRORS found in log files. See /var/log/fai/current/error.log." - that would make copy'n'paste soo much easier ;) [14:48] that a lot work for just dropping a dot. [14:48] yeah. "considers" was a bit strong already [14:49] but i'd be happy if you remove it :) [14:49] (and will survive if you dont) [14:58] good idea to remove this dot! [14:58] that reminds mw of filing a wishlist bug for making the color banner configurable to avaoiud having to touch .nocolorlogo after each make-fai-nfsroot [14:59] I don't think the color logo brings really a lot on terms of merketing, but makes debugging a hassle all the time [15:01] lazyb0y: The FAI Enterprise Edition will have no logo ;-) [15:02] it should be exactly the other way around... enterprises need to pay even more if they want the logo removed - open source developers and users have no money, anyway - they are just annoyed and will attack your servers :) [15:03] and DOS the faiwiki and things like that, haha [15:17] MT (~MT@dove.informatik.tu-muenchen.de) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [15:17] Mrfai (~lange@suenner.informatik.uni-koeln.de) left irc: Quit: leaving [15:18] MT (~MT@dove.informatik.tu-muenchen.de) joined #fai. [15:23] baldy (baldy@brain.servercrew.de) joined #fai. [15:23] jiji [15:24] baldy (baldy@brain.servercrew.de) left irc: [15:24] baldy (baldy@brain.servercrew.de) joined #fai. [15:30] lazyb0y, at least we can now use a hook to touch that file (to get rid of the logo) [15:31] Action: h01ger would prefer if the logo would be there on default, but without colors. and color logo could be an option. the ANSI codes are the problem... [15:35] MT (~MT@dove.informatik.tu-muenchen.de) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [15:36] for me, not the color is the problem, but the fact that it blocks the screen... [15:36] MT (~MT@dove.informatik.tu-muenchen.de) joined #fai. [15:36] at which point/which task cann the loggo be hooked away? [15:42] Nick change: MT -> Guest487 [15:42] MT (~MT@ppp-82-135-67-212.dynamic.mnet-online.de) joined #fai. [15:45] lazyb0y, make-fai-nfsroot now has hooks.. [15:48] Guest487 (~MT@dove.informatik.tu-muenchen.de) left irc: Ping timeout: 480 seconds [15:53] didn't look at 3.2 since beta11 or so... [15:53] is nfsroot now "dirinstalled"? [15:53] as was planned for a while... [15:54] Nick change: MT -> Guest489 [15:54] MT (~MT@dove.informatik.tu-muenchen.de) joined #fai. [15:58] sanso|work_ (~sanso@194.120.17.62) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [15:59] sanso|work_ (~sanso@194.120.17.62) joined #fai. [16:00] Guest489 (~MT@ppp-82-135-67-212.dynamic.mnet-online.de) left irc: Ping timeout: 480 seconds [16:04] lazyb0y, no [16:04] skiold (~skiold@84.121.91.161.dyn.user.ono.com) left irc: Quit: skiold [16:05] sanso|work_ (~sanso@194.120.17.62) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [16:05] but it has hoockas and the package config file NFSROOT... enough foir a start :) [16:05] sanso|work (~sanso@194.120.17.62) joined #fai. 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