[01:55] ROunofF (rounoff@rounoff.darktech.org) left irc: Ping timeout: 480 seconds [02:03] ROunofF (rounoff@rounoff.darktech.org) joined #fai. [06:12] MT (~MT@dove.informatik.tu-muenchen.de) joined #fai. [06:21] Nick change: MT -> Guest316 [06:21] MT (~MT@M195P008.adsl.highway.telekom.at) joined #fai. [06:28] Guest316 (~MT@dove.informatik.tu-muenchen.de) left irc: Ping timeout: 480 seconds [06:53] MT (~MT@M195P008.adsl.highway.telekom.at) left irc: Quit: MT [07:16] meandtheshell (~markus@85.127.103.10) joined #fai. [09:14] MT (~MT@M313P002.adsl.highway.telekom.at) joined #fai. [09:18] MT (~MT@M313P002.adsl.highway.telekom.at) left irc: [09:19] MT (~MT@M313P002.adsl.highway.telekom.at) joined #fai. [09:20] is there a way to force the installation of a specific package (and finish it) before continuing with other packages when running dirinstall? [09:21] I've to replace sysv-rc with file-rc and fai dirinstall fails because of 'update-rc.d: not present yet. [...] You are replacing sysv-rc with file-rc or another -rc package, or the other way around. The replacement package must first be unpacked before you can configure other packages. Exiting with error status 1.' [09:24] mikap, use a hook [09:24] h01ger: ok, thanks [09:25] you're welcome [09:34] MT (~MT@M313P002.adsl.highway.telekom.at) left irc: Quit: MT [09:43] allee (~ach@dialin-145-254-255-082.pools.arcor-ip.net) joined #fai. [10:07] siretart: hi, I've registered fai team on lauchpad. Thx for creating it. [10:08] allee: thanks for your interest! [10:09] siretart: as I'm in hurry. What the right bzr 'action to get the branch on my disk [10:10] Action: allee got @SIGLUNCH and would like to download while away [10:10] allee: I have indeed a local bzr branch, but it is not published [10:10] allee: I didn't knew that someone was interested [10:10] allee: lets talk later about this [10:11] allee: are you sure you've applied to the team? I don't see you at https://edge.launchpad.net/~fai/+members [10:11] siretart: mhmm, I'm subscribed. [10:11] Action: allee got SIGKILL :( [10:11] bye bbl [10:12] allee (~ach@dialin-145-254-255-082.pools.arcor-ip.net) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [10:12] is it possible to handle "Error reading from server - read (104 Connection reset by peer)" within FAI without causing it to exit the dirinstall-process? [10:30] MT (~MT@M313P002.adsl.highway.telekom.at) joined #fai. [10:37] MT (~MT@M313P002.adsl.highway.telekom.at) left irc: Quit: MT [11:45] i-R2D2 (~deed@tor-irc.dnsbl.oftc.net) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [11:49] i-R2D2 (~deed@tor-irc.dnsbl.oftc.net) joined #fai. [11:54] Action: mikap just bootet the first bootable grml-version build via fai dirinstall :) [12:00] allee (~ach@dialin-212-144-131-230.pools.arcor-ip.net) joined #fai. [12:09] siretart: thx for addding me. FWIW: I would, if I could, add the 2nd - 4th paragraph of your announcement (plus a ref to this channel in 4th para) and add it too team description [12:47] allee (~ach@dialin-212-144-131-230.pools.arcor-ip.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 480 seconds [12:49] siretart, allee: what do you plan to do with that launchpad group? co-maintain the package? [13:08] MT (~MT@80.109.167.79) joined #fai. [13:15] MT (~MT@80.109.167.79) left irc: Quit: MT [13:32] ErKa (keryell@keryell.pck.nerim.net) joined #fai. [13:38] h01ger: I tried to explain that in my email: right now using the PPA. in the mid-term, gather people for co-maintaining it in ubuntu [13:41] h01ger: is there a nice logo for fai? [14:50] PPA? [14:51] siretart, i made a logo scetch up a few years ago... most people liked it, but its not official. its on layer-acht.org (/fai i guess) [14:52] PPA == personal package archive. an apt-get'able repository with buildds [15:07] MT (~MT@80.109.167.79) joined #fai. [15:16] lazyb0y: welcome to the team ;) [15:16] I'm accepted? yippeeh! :) [15:17] hrhr [15:18] lazyb0y is ubuntu developer now? [15:18] neat [15:18] haha [15:19] oz_: https://launchpad.net/~fai/+members [15:21] let's put it that way: I hope to be able to help a bit with fai packages in ubuntu and installing ubuntu with fai... [15:22] yeah. that would also help a lot [15:22] lazyb0y: you should be able to upload to the team's ppa now, so you could use that repository for testing, etc. [15:23] Action: oz_ offers testing [15:24] oz_: I've prepared and uploaded test package for feisty. [15:24] oz_: https://launchpad.net/~fai/+archive should give you instructions how to use them. if the text is not clear, enough, I can edit that a bit [15:40] lazyb0y, my condolences :-D [15:52] h01ger: ? [15:53] 17:15-17:17 :) (and to be taken with a grant of salt) [15:55] MT (~MT@80.109.167.79) left irc: Quit: MT [15:55] ah, the good ol' ubuntu haters game :) actually, I'm not convenced of ubuntu that much anymore, running on only 1 machine of 5 machines at home, currently. vm's not counted (none ubuntu there) [15:56] but it is important in two ways: 1) I don't think Debian would be where it is now without getting kicked that hard by ubuntu, and 2) it's making really fast success on the market - important for those who have to pay a rent [15:58] by market logic, you should sell windows [15:58] and, /me is not an ubuntu hater [15:59] Mrfai (~lange@kueppers.informatik.uni-koeln.de) joined #fai. [16:01] hai Mrfai [16:07] lazyb0y: I don't think ubuntu is kicking debian "that hard" (or rather at all) [16:07] i think the two projects have a bit different goals, and that's good [16:09] MT (~MT@80.109.167.79) joined #fai. [16:11] MT (~MT@80.109.167.79) left irc: [16:13] MT (~MT@80.109.167.79) joined #fai. [16:15] siretart, i think lazyb0y ment that competition (from ubuntu) is "kicking" (as in motivating or so) debian. and thats good. [16:15] indeed [16:15] kickin' in terms of "making debian to think more about getting more up to date software, more usable, released faster" [16:17] MT (~MT@80.109.167.79) left irc: [16:19] h01ger: (about haters) sounded like that [16:20] h01ger:(market...) erm, with the assumption we are taling about the linux world :) [16:23] no. windows is the enemy (but not worth hating) and ubuntu is just the little kid misguided by some fancy eyecandy and sugar... seriously, i'm happy about ubuntus contributions and unhappy about some "moves". probably^w i dont even see windows as the enemy, i just want to live in a world with good free software. [16:23] MT (~MT@80.109.167.79) joined #fai. [16:24] h01ger: but it is still fun working there. (well, okay, working in debian is fun as well, else I wouldn't have become a DD) [16:26] siretart, sure [16:27] Action: lazyb0y hugs h01ger and siretart :) [16:28] :) [16:28] wasnt ubuntu hug day two days ago? :) [16:29] I just made a faimond promotional video http://90.227.248.186/blog/faimond.avi with the tools posted on you site h01ger , quite fun stuff. [16:29] (which is another example of what is good in ubuntu..) [16:29] kugg, nice [16:29] Action: h01ger looks [16:30] I noticed how hard it was to keep the filesize down [16:30] downloading with 4kb/s - DOSed? :) [16:31] uh, not from Im aware of but I have had connectivity problems [16:31] Lag: 1.72 [16:32] ah one minute its my torrents slowing you down [16:32] up to 25/Kb/s now [16:32] dont worry [16:32] hehe the torrents were doing 75kb [16:32] about to leave the house anyway.. [16:32] ok [16:49] Mrfai: http://grml.org/grml-live/ -> i've a first, minimal and working grml-ISO built via FAI [16:51] mikap: WOW! You may want to announce it on linux-fai-devel to get more people testing it [16:52] Mrfai: I'm working on some few more nifty stuff, as soon as I think i've a alpha-version for public testing I'll announce it on linux-fai-devel :) [16:53] mikap, its a live-cd build with fai? but no fai (config or server) on it? [16:54] kugg, nice video, though IMHO the gompiz fun and (to some degree the music too) is distracting a bit from faimond. and the fonts for the task-"stages" is too small to read it (and thus understand faimond), but thats a faimond issue.. [16:54] h01ger: as far as I understand, it's a normal grml CD build with FAI [16:55] h01ger: grml will ship FAI by default with the next release, and the build-process of the live-cd is based on FAI itself; the package grml-live ships a fai-configuration (stored inside /etc/grml/fai) which provides all you need for building your own grml-CD [16:55] the script grml-live is a wrapper around the fai-buildprocess [16:55] mikap, and the config space where? also inside /e/g/f ? [16:55] what's missing now is just the stuff for boot/isolinux [16:56] h01ger: /etc/grml/fai/config [16:57] http://paste.grml.org/53 - a listing of the directories [16:57] and FAI_CONFIG_SRC is pointing to it, so you can do fai softupdates directly? (rather s/do/show how to/ because it doesnt really make sense to just softupdate the same config...) [16:57] Action: h01ger goes out - cu [16:57] I think that's the best way to provide a working setup for grml-live without clashing with a normal FAI setup [16:58] Action: h01ger is not so sure [16:58] its better to stick with defaults, but -> OUT! [16:59] h01ger: fai -v -C "$FAI_CONFIG" ...; and FAI_CONFIGDIR=/etc/grml/fai/config [16:59] h01ger: cu [17:02] mikap: hmm, so grml can replicate itself then, I guess? (from a live cd, even?) [17:03] lazyb0y: yes (from the live-system isn't tested yet, but it's supposed to be working then, yes) [17:03] mikap: very very cool! [17:03] lazyb0y: :) [17:13] MT (~MT@80.109.167.79) left irc: Quit: MT [17:16] MT (~MT@80.109.167.79) joined #fai. [17:26] h01ger: yeah we dont even use that minifont anymore, however I think for the music and compis mumbojumbo it was all only an experiment in trying out the video tools. [17:31] MT (~MT@80.109.167.79) left irc: Quit: MT [17:50] ErKa (keryell@keryell.pck.nerim.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 480 seconds [17:54] MT (~MT@80.109.167.79) joined #fai. [17:54] kugg: Have a look at http://lists.alioth.debian.org/pipermail/fai-commit/2007-September/001663.html [17:55] yeah! [17:55] Action: Mrfai prepares FAI 3.2.1. Please mail last changes until sunday night [17:56] kugg: I reorganized the code a little bit, and changed the color of the header line. Now the name of tasks can be read better. [17:56] MT (~MT@80.109.167.79) left irc: [17:56] ah great [18:00] furthermore its possible to add a 3d outline around the header [18:17] ErKa (keryell@m9.wifi.enstb.org) joined #fai. [18:36] ErKa (keryell@m9.wifi.enstb.org) left irc: Ping timeout: 480 seconds [19:16] meandtheshell (~markus@85.127.103.10) left irc: Quit: Leaving. [19:27] allee (~ach@dialin-212-144-129-081.pools.arcor-ip.net) joined #fai. [19:42] alleeHol (~ach@dialin-212-144-128-091.pools.arcor-ip.net) joined #fai. [19:44] allee (~ach@dialin-212-144-129-081.pools.arcor-ip.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 480 seconds [19:52] ErKa (keryell@keryell.pck.nerim.net) joined #fai. [21:11] Mrfai: http://grml.supersized.org/archives/263-grml-live-create-your-own-grml-ISO.html :) [21:12] I expect to be able to provide a public version of grml-live within the next few days (reducing the todolist before, see todolist at the end of http://grml.org/grml-live/) [21:16] we read this soon [21:17] s/we/will/ [21:18] ok :) [21:45] alleeHol (~ach@dialin-212-144-128-091.pools.arcor-ip.net) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [21:45] mikap: building a chroot in /dev/shm may cause errors, if /dev/shm is mounted with nosuid. Is nosuid default? On all my machines this seems so. [21:47] mikap: where can I find the sources of grml-live? [21:49] Mrfai: /dev/shm is uses only on my box and for developers currently, the first public release will use another directory of course :) [21:49] Mrfai: http://grml.org/grml-live/grml-live_0.1.tar.gz [21:50] unp grml-live_0.1.tar.gz && cd grml-live_0.1 && debuild -us -uc && echo juhu :) [21:56] danke [21:57] np; i appreciate any feedback :) [22:13] mikap: chroot $target = $ROOTCMD, ist aber nur kosmetik [22:13] Mrfai: ah, great :) thanks :) [22:16] "$target"/etc/runlevel.conf.livecd => $target/etc/...... Die "" sind unnoetig [22:18] Mrfai: danke [22:18] anstatt oefters cat > "$target"/etc/apt/preferences << EOF [22:18] fcopy oder so? [22:18] zu nutzen um neue Datein zu erzeugen, wuerde ich die Dateien in /etc/grml/config/files/etc ablegen [22:18] und dann ohne fcopy kopieren [22:19] ah ok, thx [22:19] also einfach cp [22:19] fcopy ist nur sinnvoll wenn du mehrere Versionen fuer eine Dat hast, und die dann abhaengig von den FAI Klassen kopieren willst. [22:19] ach stimmt, thx [22:20] aber ablegen in files/.... ist besser als harcoded in den skripten [22:20] das heisst generell immer nur $target und nicht "$target" verwenden, oder? [22:20] yep [22:21] auch hier "" weg: rm "$target/root/grml_cleanup_chroot" [22:21] done [22:22] file-rc koenntest du vielleicht hier hinzufuegen: FAI_DEBOOTSTRAP_OPTS= [22:23] dann wird es schon mit debootstrap installiert und du brauchst vielleicht den hook nicht, der das jetzt installiert [22:23] Mrfai: ah, das wäre super [22:25] diese Dateien zum erzeugen: da source ich am besten meine zentrale konfigdatei um GRML_FAI_CONFIG=/etc/grml/fai zu erkennen und dann einfach 'cp $GRML_FAI_CONFIG/config/files/etc/...' zu machen, oder gibt's da von FAI hooks die ich nehmen könnte? [22:27] normalerweise in /etc/fai/fai.conf ueber FAI_CONFIGDIR [22:27] Mrfai: hat $target eigentlich nie leerzeichen oder warum sollte ich die "" darum weglassen? (oder gehör ich jetzt schon ins bett? :)) [22:28] $target ist / oder /target [22:28] $ROOTCMD ist chroot /target oder leer [22:28] naja, ich hab ja GRML_FAI_CONFIG=/etc/grml/fai damit es sich mit FAI nicht schlägt [22:28] Mrfai: hm, aber das /target kann ja "/grml/foo bar" oder so sein, oder? [22:29] schau mal wie $FAI waehrend dirinstall definiert ist. DAnn kannst du $FAI/files nutzen [22:29] mikap: stimmt bei dirinstall ist es nicht immer /target [22:30] dann hoffen ich mal das keiner ein leerzeichen im directory hat. [22:30] DAnn faellt FAI sicherlich auf die Nase [22:30] Mrfai: thx [22:30] Mrfai: ok :) [22:31] ja $FAI sollte auch bei dirinstall definiert sein [22:31] siehe /var/log/fai/dirinstall [22:32] ok, danke [22:33] so jezt muss ich mich aus ohr hauen. (besser als auf die Nase fallen;-) [22:34] Mrfai (~lange@kueppers.informatik.uni-koeln.de) left irc: Quit: leaving [22:38] ErKa (keryell@keryell.pck.nerim.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 480 seconds [00:00] --- Sun Sep 16 2007