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| 06:28 oz_ | moin |
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| 10:03 Winkie | hey guys, i am intending to install FAI on a series of optiplex 320s, these have problems with grub and also with every systemimager kernel i've seen |
| 10:03 Winkie | does FAI use grub for netbooting at all? |
| 10:05 rcy | I recently did an fai install to my laptop, grub wasnt involved in the netbooting at all |
| 10:05 Mrfai | no. |
| 10:05 Mrfai | FAI is not using grub for netbooting |
| 10:06 Mrfai | FAI 3.2 (just released yesterday) uses the plain Debian kernel. |
| 10:06 rcy | can grub be configured to netboot though, out of curiousity? can i make a grub boot disk and do a pxe boot for a nic with no bootrom? |
| 10:07 Winkie | Mrfai: is that on the etch repository? I ask because i spent a week or two screwing around with systemimager and frankly while the software seemed good these Dells are AWFUL |
| 10:07 Winkie | don't ever buy an Optiplex 320 |
| 10:08 Mrfai | Winkie: fai 3.2 ist not in the etch repository. But it's tested with etch. Add this line to your sources.list and you will get FAI 3.2 for etch: |
| 10:09 Mrfai | deb http://www.informatik.uni-koeln.de/fai/download etch koeln |
| 10:09 Mrfai | The easiest way to test if FAI will boot your machine, is to use the FAI CD. |
| 10:09 Winkie | Mrfai: sorry that's what i meant, whether it was in FAI's etch repository |
| 10:09 Winkie | and unfortunately we have no CD burners in this building |
| 10:09 Mrfai | I'll will upload the new ISO image in a few seconds. |
| 10:10 Mrfai | The FAI CD is using grub, but I don't think that this is a problem. |
| 10:10 Winkie | it would be for booting these machines i think, grub simply refuses to load |
| 10:10 Winkie | but it's fine, i can't burn it even if i wanted to |
| 10:11 Winkie | so i will proceed with netboot |
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| 10:15 Mrfai | Winkie: did you look at #419766. Also grub and optiplex 320 problem, but it seems to be a xfs problem |
| 10:15 Winkie | Mrfai: which bug reference is that? link? :) |
| 10:16 Mrfai | bugs.debian.org/419766 |
| 10:17 Mrfai | also look at http://lists.us.dell.com/pipermail/linux-desktops/2007-March/000286.html |
| 10:17 Winkie | Mrfai: indeed pci=nomsi is the only way we can get them to boot, but grub refuses to load |
| 10:19 Winkie | still FAI looks to do exactly what we need anyway, with the added bonus that doing softupdates on lots of machines at once is slightly less painful than with systemimager :) |
| 10:31 oz_ | hmpf. |
| Action: oz_ got problems to boot some sata raid controller |
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| 10:47 Mrfai | The new ISO image of the FAI-CD 3.2 is available |
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| 11:04 Winkie | interesting, i just ran fai-setup on a stock debain etch and got: |
| 11:04 Winkie | Can't call method "exists" on an undefined value at /usr/sbin/install_packages line 413, <FILE> line 36. |
| 11:04 Winkie | 413 is if ($cache->exists($pack)) { # simple package name |
| 11:05 Winkie | hmm i may be missing AptPkg::Cache |
| 11:06 Winkie | and i was, libapt-pkg-perl i think needs to be added to depends |
| 11:14 Winkie | also getting this, no idea if it's an issue: WARNING: These unknown packages are removed from the installation list: live-initramfs |
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| 11:33 Winkie | Mrfai: indeed i think live-initramfs might be important as when it boots it's complaining about missing /scripts/live |
| 11:33 Winkie | could you help me out? |
| 11:36 oz_ | Mrfai: I'll test your new image in some minutes |
| 11:52 Mrfai | Winkie: add "deb http://www.informatik.uni-koeln.de/fai/download etch koeln" to /etc/fai/apt/sources.list |
| 11:57 oz_ | hm. anyone suggestion how to deal with a 82801GR/GH Raid controller? |
| 11:58 Winkie | Mrfai: added, will that sort out the live-initramfs issue? otherwise it seemed to be booting just fine surprisingly :) |
| 11:59 Mrfai | Winkie: yep |
| 12:00 Winkie | Mrfai: excellent, it makes sense now i understand how to fix it :) |
| 12:05 oz_ | 621 seconds installtme with fai-cd 3.2 ;) |
| 12:05 oz_ | time, even |
| 12:07 Winkie | that's pretty impressive, i am going to batch install on at least 25 machines later i hope |
| 12:07 Winkie | i assume it's pretty easy to set up a user with customised .gconf directories with FAI etc? |
| 12:08 Mrfai | Winkie: read the FAI guide and the man pages of fcopy and ftar. |
| 12:09 Winkie | Mrfai: i will be doing, thanks for the help so far FAI seems like a very nice solution, especially as it uses cfengine which has been recommended to me |
| 12:23 Winkie | Mrfai: well it seems to have gotten past that stage, however i can't get it to continue, these machines have a weird issue where linux can't do anything with the second sata port and sits there soft resetting it and getting internal errors for ages |
| 12:23 Winkie | is there a way to get FAI to stream logs? |
| 12:26 Mrfai | Winkie: Did you read in the guide were the log files are written to? Do you already know how to log in the install client from remote via ssh? |
| 12:27 Mrfai | AFAIK you can specify which devices should be probe (at least with IDE this is possible) |
| 12:29 Winkie | Mrfai: I read some information about it FTPing logs using a username, but i would have expected that to be part way or post install |
| 12:29 Winkie | although remote ssh login is interesting, i never thought of that |
| 12:29 Winkie | the problem is that it just fills the damn screen with ata errors and i have yet to find a way to force it not to probe :( |
| 12:32 Winkie | hmm it seems to be restarting part of the install, it's not on screen long enough to see |
| 12:37 Winkie | bah, hdb=noprobe, sdb=noprobe and ata2=noprobe are no help |
| 12:40 Mrfai | Boot your install client with FAI_ACTION=sysinfo |
| 12:42 Winkie | ok one sec |
| 12:44 Winkie | just doing the same thing as usual, i'll leave it for a bit though and see what happens |
| 12:45 Winkie | it usually takes a minute or two before it gets past this with a standard debian install |
| 12:45 Winkie | but it does eventually boot |
| 12:48 Winkie | ok i figured a way to stop it i think, the bios has an option for it |
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| 12:51 Winkie | aha yes this seems to be doing it! |
| 12:57 Winkie | hmm 245s but errors |
| 12:58 Winkie | Mrfai: that's gotten much further this time, only grub is having an issue booting |
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| 13:38 Winkie | Mrfai: if you still have a second, could you tell me how to easily get lilo installed instead of grub and add append="pci=nomsi" to the lilo config? i'm reading through the guide now but ideally need to show my boss this booting by 4pm :) |
| 13:39 Mrfai | There's a class called LILO. Add the class LILO, remove the class GRUB. But it did not test lilo for a long time. |
| 13:41 Winkie | i'm not entirely sure how to do that, and I assume there's no class for grub2? :) |
| 13:41 Winkie | sorry to bug you like this |
| 13:41 Winkie | i promise i'll read the documentation thoroughly, it's a very nice product you've put together here |
| 13:42 Mrfai | Winkie: have a look at class/50-host-classes. replace GRUB with LILO |
| 13:44 Winkie | aha perfect, and should i be using 'liloappend' or adding a lilo.conf? |
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| 13:57 Mrfai | I do not use lilo since several years, so you have decide by your own |
| 13:57 Mrfai | anyone interested in booting from USB stick? |
| 13:58 Winkie | no problem, i added kappend to classes/FAIBASE.var if that was the right thing to do, and the lilo config shows that it should write it but we'll see |
| 13:58 Winkie | aha it worked :) |
| 13:58 Winkie | thanks so much Mrfai |
| 13:59 Mrfai | Winkie: please don't forget the FAI questionnaire after you've finished your project |
| 14:00 Winkie | Mrfai: no problem at all, i was very impressed by how much you helped |
| 14:00 Winkie | just out of interest, what's the largest number of hosts anyone has reported? |
| 14:05 Mrfai | more than 1000 |
| 14:05 Mrfai | have a look at http://www.informatik.uni-koeln.de/fai/q-answers.html |
| 14:05 Winkie | damn that's pretty impressive :) |
| 14:05 Winkie | ah nice |
| Action: Mrfai also has to fill out the questionnaire :-) |
| Action: Mrfai is looking for testers for USB stick booting |
| 14:08 Winkie | well when i've gotten all these optiplexes working i'll be happy to help out |
| 14:08 Winkie | i've had some errors in the initial install though |
| 14:08 Mrfai | paste your fai.log to paste.debian.net |
| 14:11 Winkie | you'll have to give me a minute :) |
| 14:12 Winkie | ah, it would appear the only errors in curent/error.log are because of BIOS issues on this board |
| 14:12 Winkie | no actual errors involved |
| 14:12 Mrfai | perfect |
| 14:16 Winkie | indeed i am very impressed so far |
| 14:16 Winkie | just out of interest, i am beginning to understand how the class system works, is this purely based on hostname or can i define any neater method? the reason i ask is that half of these PCs have 4:3 screens and half have 16:10 and the 16:10s require a customised X config |
| 14:17 Winkie | now ideally i'd detect this by probing the monitor for it's make, but i assume this would be an example of a post install script and not a different class of install? |
| 14:17 Robinayor_ | what? |
| 14:17 Winkie | haha |
| 14:17 Winkie | i have identical machines |
| 14:17 Robinayor_ | mhh.. fuckin' highlights |
| 14:17 Winkie | all are optiplex 320s |
| 14:17 Winkie | however half have 1440x900 screens |
| 14:17 Winkie | and half have 1280x1024 screens |
| 14:17 Winkie | the 1440x900 ones need a custom X config to work (shitty dell monitors) |
| 14:17 Winkie | how do i do this, do i make them a seperate class of install or do i write a script to alter the xconfig post install? |
| 14:18 Mrfai | Winkie: http://www.informatik.uni-koeln.de/fai/fai-guide/ch-config.html#s-s2 |
| 14:19 Winkie | Mrfai: i saw that, but I don't think 20-hwdetect is going to detect the monitor being different is it? |
| 14:19 Mrfai | no. But there's a commandscalled dcc-probe or similar which may do this |
| 14:19 Winkie | ooh i was looking for something like that |
| 14:20 Mrfai | it's called ddcprobe |
| 14:20 Winkie | ah thanks very much! |
| 14:20 Winkie | this channel is a beacon of helpfulness :) |
| 14:20 Mrfai | it's in the package xresprobe |
| 14:31 meandtheshell | hi folks - the current guide (http://www.informatik.uni-koeln.de/fai/fai-guide/ch-config.html) --> chapter 7.1 still mentions "/srv/fai/config/basefiles". Since yesterday, I am with FAI 3.2 on DebianGNU/Linux sid - there's no .../basefiles around here - what am I missing? |
| 14:32 meandtheshell | I guess it's per option to use it and so I have to create it on demand - yes? |
| 14:32 Mrfai | yep. the directory basefiles is empty by default and it does no exists in the package itself |
| 14:32 Mrfai | just mkdir it and put something into it |
| 14:33 meandtheshell | ah - ok - I see - thank you |
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| 14:55 meandtheshell | How does FAI avoid that a default task is called if the corresponding hook (the hook belonging to that particular task) has already run before? |
| Action: meandtheshell just read about the partition.DISKLESS example (it's done there with /etc/fstab ... but what about the other hooks?) |
| 14:59 meandtheshell | sorry ... it's /tmp/fai/fstab I meant |
| 15:04 Mrfai | you can call skipstask <taskname> in your hook |
| 15:09 meandtheshell | ok - fine |
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| 15:51 sepski | is the fai installation supposed to remove the pxelinux config file ? or must that be done manually after the installation ? |
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| 16:25 h01ger | hi sepski! |
| 16:25 h01ger | (dunno, dont use pxe much..) |
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| 16:33 anonick | sepski, task_chboot (in usr/lib/fai/subroutines-linux) tries to disable the config file using fai-chboot -vd |
| 16:38 Winkie | interesting, it didn't disable it on mine, but then again i didn't set up any log users or anything |
| 16:48 anonick | same here, I think defining LOGUSER (and chown'ing the config files to him) was all that was needed to enable it |
| 17:00 sepski | anonick, thanks :) |
| 17:00 sepski | h01ger, just started looking into fai. i must say it looks awsome so far :) |
| 17:02 h01ger | :) |
| 17:05 sepski | seeing if it's going to be viable to install debian edu ltsp servers using it :) |
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| 17:15 h01ger | Mrfai, see /msg |
| 17:15 h01ger | please :) |
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| 21:08 stockholm | hi |
| 21:09 h01ger | hi stockholm |
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| 21:30 stockholm | is the beta still beta or is it released now? |
| 21:32 stockholm | i just try to use the köln developers apt-sources line to download the latest and greatest and now see that there is only the initrd deb |
| 21:35 stockholm | h01ger: ? |
| 21:36 h01ger | no idea about the koeln apt repo |
| 21:36 h01ger | build it from trunk :) or /tages/ |
| 21:36 h01ger | it should be in sid too |
| 21:36 stockholm | what is the etch repository? |
| Action: stockholm cries |
| 21:36 stockholm | yet another hoop |
| 21:37 stockholm | i do this on a xen machine and so far about everything that could go wrong did go wrong |
| 21:41 h01ger | isnt the etch repo the uni koeln one? |
| 21:41 h01ger | but in any case, there isnt a difference between the fai binary packages |
| 21:41 h01ger | afaik |
| 21:41 h01ger | +atm :) |
| 21:46 stockholm | h01ger: so the etch repository in köln contains the same packages (compiled for etch) then the sid one? |
| Action: stockholm consumes chocolate |
| 21:46 Barbarossa | stockholm: May I have some? |
| 21:47 stockholm | Barbarossa: ah, you here! |
| Action: stockholm tosses some chocolate bits to Barbarossa |
| Action: Barbarossa is virtually learning for any examination at friday :-/ |
| 21:47 Barbarossa | thanks |
| 21:48 stockholm | i feel generous: you can have a whole chocolate byte! |
| 21:48 Barbarossa | May I also have a nibble? ;) |
| 21:48 stockholm | sure :-) |
| 21:48 stockholm | cocolate nibbles are great |
| 21:49 Barbarossa | ..oO( How did he know, that the exam is about theoretical computer science and architectures ) |
| 21:49 Barbarossa | :) |
| 21:49 Barbarossa | Is this Little or Big Endian Chocolate? |
| 21:49 stockholm | this is swedish chocolate... definetly Little endian |
| Action: Barbarossa is going crazy about all this theory he'll most probalby never use in practice |
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