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[14:43] Mrfai, i've just upgraded my svn copy to review it but just now i finally found the fix for a longstanding bug in anaconda, so that i - for today - rather continue to use fai 3.1.8 - maybe later today i'll look at trunk and at latest tomorrow. i want to use something trunk-based... [14:45] mfl (~mfl@adonis.fnb.maschinenbau.tu-darmstadt.de) left irc: Ping timeout: 480 seconds [14:46] h01ger: I hope to release FAI in a few hours. Just fixing the example log files for the guide. [14:48] But I can update the fai guide also after the release, if you send me patches or comments so we have a better guide for our tutorial. [14:49] Action: h01ger nods - cool [14:54] Nick change: \sh -> \sh_away [14:57] sepski (~sep@217.17.211.51) joined #fai. [15:05] linda and lintian are quite verbose on 3.2~beta13 :) [15:07] yep, I saw it already. HAve a look at the commit mails. Fixes are now included [15:07] not all is fixed, but some [15:08] :) [15:08] Mrfai, i'd rename chapter 10.2: "using fai for online updates" -> "using fai for updates" or softupdates. but "online updates" is buzzword bingo ;) [15:09] (in the guide) [15:10] 10.2.2 could have a note about "-N" - btw, what do you think about changing the default? (lots of people on the list seconded the idea..) [15:10] Action: Mrfai removed "online" [15:11] IT's too late for changing the default of -N now. Maybe in the next release [15:11] We (who?) have to check if the default of -N will not load additional kernel modules in the simple examples. That's bad, if a softupdate would do this. [15:13] does make-fai-bootfloppy still work without fai-kernels? [15:13] Mrfai, hm, good point [15:14] Mrfai, but we can change 10.2.2 now to mention "-N" there :) [15:15] 4.9.1 also mentions fai-kernels... [15:15] I did not test m-f-bf, but IMO it will surely fail. [15:15] Action: h01ger nods [15:15] anonick (~kvirc@brauer.math.nat.tu-bs.de) joined #fai. [15:16] ErKa (~keryell@keryell.pck.nerim.net) joined #fai. [15:16] 4.9.1I just writing on 4.9.1 [15:17] I have to create those problem and see how the new messages look like [15:19] Mrfai, h01ger and other FAI experts ... I got a question - had the fcopy command been especially invented with FAI? Must be since I never stumbled across it before now ... [15:19] I think I need to try it in practice to fully understand its purpose ... [15:20] Action: meandtheshell skimmed over the man file for the first time --> didn't get it completely :) [15:21] meandtheshell, fcopy has been written for fai, yes [15:21] you'll love it [15:21] h01ger: a ok - fine then - I surely will :) [15:21] with it, you can use files/etc/apt/sources.list/CLASS [15:22] well, my notion so far is that it copies "things" depending on class relations ... or so ... [15:24] I guess I'll go for a banana + green ginger tea break and then start to read over it again - ginger always helps the reluctant mind :) [15:25] Action: meandtheshell said and done ... off for a break [15:38] Lin (~igor@200.179.57.57) left irc: Quit: Ex-Chat [15:57] ErKa (~keryell@keryell.pck.nerim.net) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [16:06] Mrfai, search for typo "teh nfsroot" in fai-guide.sgml :) [16:07] Mrfai, probably also mention that live-* is not in etch but you can get it from backports.org [16:07] Mrfai, and please explain -N in 10.2.2 ;) [16:07] (want a patch?) [16:08] -N is already explained in the fai man page [16:12] Action: h01ger seufzt [16:13] Action: Mrfai seuftzt mit [16:16] "if you want to use softupdates on a system not installed with fai, the first tim eyou need to run fai with the -N switch: 'fai -N softupdate' - see fai manpage for details." - adding this at the end of 10.2.2 would be really nice. there are many people who rightfully think that reading the guide should be enough for a start.. [16:18] FAI 3.2 is finished. No more changes. Upload in a few seconds ;-) [16:18] thank you very much [16:19] Lin (~igor@200.179.57.57) joined #fai. [16:20] Mrfai: congratulations folks! How long has work gone on for releasing 3.2? [16:21] Too long ;-) [16:21] ;-] [16:21] Action: meandtheshell checks Changelog [16:21] No, but I did not get much help :-( [16:21] Mrfai, any objections to add the above to trunk now that 3.2 is released? [16:23] mrfai: sorry, i tried. :) [16:24] First I have to finish the release, means upload, updating web page,... Please send me a patch this week. I think I can update the guide in the trunk on monday. Then I have to send it to linuxhotel for printing. Do, deadline is monday for fai guide patches or comments (for the linuxhotel version) [16:24] Action: juri_ has patches to submit to qemu, xrdp, and rdesktop at the moment. behind! [16:34] Mrfai, I'd proof-read the FAI guide this evening [16:34] what this the preferred way of reporting errors? [16:36] MT,h01ger we should sync the patches you will create for the guide, otherwisae merging will cause problems. [16:37] MT: if you will proof-read this evening and do not have major changes, I may include them tomorrow. [16:37] is h01ger doing the same at the moment? [16:37] After that, h01ger may send his patches [16:37] Mrfai, i just filed a bug [16:38] ok, I'll try to finish by midnight, is that early enough for you, h01ger? [16:38] didnt bother to create a patch, as its trivial and too much work with merging etc [16:38] MT, yes [16:38] MT, take your time [16:39] still, Mrfai, do you prefer a patch for the sgml files? [16:40] MT: this depends on the thigs changed. Inserting a few sentences is easier by just mailing it to me. A lot of samall typo fixes or similar are better to apply with a patch [16:40] or should I put the errors together pointing to the paragraphs/pages of the postscript file? [16:41] I guess it will mainly be typo fixes [16:41] Action: h01ger is a bit frustrated that Mrfai suddenly released fai, while we were talking about fixes for the fai guide, and taking some and not others... [16:41] MT, against the sgml file is better... thats the source :) [16:42] Action: MT was a bit surprised to, but no problem [16:42] I think it was important to release [16:42] better release often [16:42] The release was NOT suddenly! I announced it on aug 3 in https://lists.uni-koeln.de/pipermail/linux-fai-devel/2007q3/000439.html [16:42] with smaller changes [16:43] well, the actual moment of the release is always a bit surprising :-) [16:43] h01ger, in fact this release helps getting more fixes into FAI [16:43] now people will test 3.2 [16:44] and in the meantime your patches can get included [16:44] Action: Mrfai is wondering why people didn't test 3.2beta [16:45] I wouldn't dare to test a beta release on my system... [16:45] Action: h01ger was busy with other stuff [16:45] Mrfai, the day was not suddenly. the very moment was [16:45] If FAI is broken, so is my system... [16:46] I would have tested the beta on one of my private machines, but didn't find the time to do the config there [16:46] I actually planned to test it there [16:47] next time a counter will say: ... 3, 2, 1 meins^Wrelease ;-) [16:47] :) [16:48] Action: Mrfai is getting a huge amount of mails, that bugs where closed in FAI. Wow! [16:48] in earlier days, the kernel team also hoped that people would test the development releases [16:49] but obviously it didn't work out, so the changed the model to release everything :-) [16:57] Mrfai, does #434355 still apply? [16:58] "#434355: mkisofs recommendation should be genisoimage" [16:58] MT: Sorry I have to leave. LEt's do this tomorrow [16:58] Mrfai (~lange@suenner.informatik.uni-koeln.de) left irc: Quit: leaving [17:04] anonick (kvirc@brauer.math.nat.tu-bs.de) left #fai (So Long, and Thanks for All the Fish!). [17:05] Nick change: MT -> Guest1500 [17:05] Guest1500 (~MT@fish.informatik.tu-muenchen.de) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [17:05] MT (~MT@fish.informatik.tu-muenchen.de) joined #fai. [17:07] "Do the users need a queueing system?" taken from http://www.informatik.uni-koeln.de/fai/fai-guide/ch-plan.html [17:07] What exactly does "queuing system" describe here? 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