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| 09:41 tokkee | Hi :-) |
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| 13:18 lazyb0y | tokkee: huhu and bye bye |
| 13:20 tokkee | lazyb0y: Have a nice trip! |
| 13:26 kugg | byebye lazyb0y |
| 13:29 lazyb0y | I have already- meanwhile the wifi starts even working... |
| 13:29 lazyb0y | but i hate henfests |
| 13:30 kugg | haha ok |
| 13:30 kugg | well Ill see you next year |
| 13:33 lazyb0y | I guest that will happen... :) |
| 14:05 stockholm | lazyb0y, Mrfai: my problem is not solveable with the current live-initrd system |
| 14:08 stockholm | i talked to the network guy of the live-initrd system (mako, italian) and he wants ot add that feature |
| 14:08 lazyb0y | stockholm: the two network card thing? |
| 14:08 stockholm | yes |
| 14:08 stockholm | dhcp from the second |
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| 14:10 stockholm | lazyb0y: did you get my NFSROOT changes detangeled by now? |
| 14:11 stockholm | lazyb0y, Mrfai_: it would be nice if i knew the name/email of the maco guy |
| 14:11 stockholm | so that i could contact him directly. |
| 14:11 stockholm | daniel should know |
| 14:11 stockholm | could you ask him? |
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| 14:18 lazyb0y | stockholm: no, I lost track a little, and wrked on doc bugs instead.... |
| 14:18 lazyb0y | stockholm: i don't knowthe maco guy... |
| 14:19 stockholm | i did not know him either, but could you ask daniel? |
| 14:22 lazyb0y | stockholm: stockholm_ I don't know about the whole stuff - apart fromt he 5 words I wrote above - this is Thomas' work.... I'm workin on other things |
| 14:23 lazyb0y | so, you have to nag him, not me :) |
| 14:24 Mrfai_ | stockholm: I didn;t get the NFSROOT changes. |
| 14:24 Mrfai_ | stockholm: maco guy? Which maco guy? I have not idea of whom you are talking. |
| 14:30 stockholm | Mrfai_: mako is the network guy in the live-intird gang |
| 14:30 lazyb0y | did i tell that i reserved "too-much-crack.com" a while ago? |
| 14:30 lazyb0y | I just don't knowyet what to put there.... |
| 14:30 stockholm | sure, i can send the stuff to mrfai, too |
| 14:31 lazyb0y | or better: it's more about the overall appearance and presentation that I'm wondering abozut - there's enough content :) |
| 14:31 stockholm | Mrfai_: i want to contact that maco guy directly to work with him to get this feature into live-initrdbla :-) |
| 14:31 lazyb0y | not to offend you, stockholm, Mrfai., but it's just too funny to read that |
| 14:31 stockholm | but i dont even know how he is spelled or his real name |
| 14:31 stockholm | lazyb0y: what part? |
| 14:32 lazyb0y | the part with the maco gu |
| 14:33 Mrfai_ | stockholm: look into penta. I think there was a talk about live-blabla things from a maco guy |
| 14:33 stockholm | oh |
| 14:33 stockholm | did not know |
| 14:39 lazyb0y | Mrfai_: I had a great talk with Wborgert before leaving about doc stuff! |
| 14:39 lazyb0y | sounds like docbook is defintely the way to go |
| 14:41 Mrfai_ | ok |
| 14:41 lazyb0y | it's the most flexible, can produce the best quality of multiple output formats, and much more... |
| 14:43 lazyb0y | so, i have no idea for a timeframe, but before getting into major doc rewriting and adding and stuff, we could change to that. |
| 14:44 lazyb0y | (but the major docs bugs we have noww should be fixed in the old sgml stuff, i think) |
| 14:44 lazyb0y | or what do you think? |
| 14:44 Mrfai_ | lazyb0y: I think you can delete people/lazyboy/r-2_8_4-fai-cd_sarge_fixes and also remove it from the wiki page. |
| Action: Mrfai_ just cleaning up his old branches |
| 14:45 Mrfai_ | I will look into your doc fixes after debconf. Maybe the days when I'm still here in EDI |
| 14:45 lazyb0y | Mrfai_: can you write a mail plese, ? I'll do it at home then |
| 14:46 Mrfai_ | yep. |
| 14:46 lazyb0y | you don't know what to do with that time in EDI anyway :) |
| 14:47 stockholm | i want to do the command remapping still |
| 14:47 stockholm | lazyb0y: can we also start a doc-resturcture wiki page? |
| 14:49 lazyb0y | stockholm: you can, but i doubt tere will be major work oin reworking the fai guide in the ear future |
| 14:50 lazyb0y | firt, we need to get the major bugs in there fixed - see the page etch-doc-todo - I got some of the stuff resolved in the last two days |
| 14:50 lazyb0y | and hope I'll continue to get rid of these things in the next weeks |
| 14:50 lazyb0y | but as soon as the guide is more up to date withj current fai functions, I won't do more on it |
| 14:51 stockholm | there is a swedish guy working on the swedish translation of the fai guide |
| 14:51 stockholm | i think he should instead rework the english one |
| 14:51 lazyb0y | but yes. there is a page called "development plan" already. if it's shirt what you propose, put it in there |
| 14:51 stockholm | shirt. right |
| 14:52 lazyb0y | if it's longer, put an info entry in the development page, and do an extra page for your proposals of restructuring |
| 14:52 lazyb0y | I'd rather not start translation and restructring before we migrated to the docbook format |
| 14:52 lazyb0y | shirt, yes, the train is shaking me like hell |
| 14:52 Mrfai_ | I talked to the swedish guy and convinced him not to work on translating the guide yet. The benefit would be minor, and he's now working on faimond-gui helping making it look much more nicer. |
| 14:53 lazyb0y | yipeeh |
| 14:53 stockholm | cool |
| 14:53 stockholm | is he here? on irc? |
| 14:53 lazyb0y | I tinhink that's better. or heling with the other major doc bugs... |
| 14:53 stockholm | i forgot his nick |
| 14:53 lazyb0y | kugg is here, yes |
| 14:54 lazyb0y | nit here, i mean, there, you know |
| 14:54 lazyb0y | at the same time here and there, ut not here |
| 14:54 lazyb0y | nit nat not |
| 14:54 Mrfai_ | lazyb0y: too much crack? |
| 14:55 lazyb0y | Mrfai_: YESSIR! |
| 14:55 lazyb0y | or, just not enough yet |
| 14:55 stockholm | hm |
| 14:55 stockholm | the maco guy is Marco Amadori |
| 14:55 stockholm | is there a way to get his email? |
| 14:56 lazyb0y | Mrfai_: cool subject - realy unusual that you write me a mail about that FAI thing! |
| 14:57 kugg | im here |
| 14:58 kugg | im the gui guy and im on debconf :) |
| 14:58 Mrfai_ | stockholm: come on. You do not help from us for find the email of a person you know the full name and know that he's working on the live project. |
| 14:59 lazyb0y | stockholm: on some page of the talks are email adresses... but don#t ask me where exactly - the details page in the public events plan |
| 14:59 Mrfai_ | s/not/not need/ |
| 14:59 lazyb0y | kugg: no. you're not here. you are only here! |
| 15:00 stockholm | kugg: great :-) |
| 15:00 stockholm | kugg: i recalled a nick starting with p. :-) |
| 15:01 stockholm | Mrfai_: i find a highly likele address on google and mailed daniel about him. |
| 15:01 stockholm | found even |
| 15:02 stockholm | on to the wiki... |
| 15:04 stockholm | lazyb0y: an extra page for restructuring? as a subpage of the development page? |
| 15:04 lazyb0y | hmm, aehm, whatever - just don't put it directly on the ony page when it gets too long |
| 15:05 lazyb0y | and look on the Etch-doc-todo page, there are some things oin the area on top which are not connected to bugs, which should also go into that new page then |
| 15:05 lazyb0y | a nick starting with p :) pkugg |
| 15:06 kugg | ehe |
| 15:06 stockholm | kugg: what do you do with fai? |
| Nick change: kugg -> pkugg |
| 15:06 pkugg | :) |
| 15:06 stockholm | kugg: do you use it somewhere? |
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| 15:06 stockholm | pkugg: do you use it somewhere? |
| 15:06 stockholm | :-) |
| 15:06 kugg | I use it at the form i work for |
| 15:06 kugg | stickybit |
| 15:07 kugg | we are using it for reinstalling broken latptops |
| 15:07 kugg | I started using fai for about a year ago |
| 15:07 stockholm | and you live to tell about it! |
| 15:07 kugg | that i do |
| 15:07 stockholm | stickybit.fi? |
| 15:08 kugg | im listen ing to a talk and it would seem rude to focus more in irc .) |
| 15:08 kugg | stickybit.se |
| 15:08 stockholm | you said you lived in helinki... |
| 15:08 kugg | no |
| 15:09 kugg | I have never said that but I have said to you that I am from sweden and you and i have been speaking swedish to eachother :P |
| 15:09 stockholm | helsingborg.. |
| 15:09 kugg | yes |
| 15:09 kugg | this is true :) |
| 15:09 stockholm | ok, i thought helsingborg was the swedish name of helsinki |
| 15:09 stockholm | what was that then? |
| 15:09 kugg | ah helsingfors |
| 15:10 kugg | is the name of helsinki |
| 15:10 stockholm | duh |
| 15:10 stockholm | ok |
| 15:10 stockholm | i mixed those up. |
| 15:10 kugg | np |
| 15:10 stockholm | you did not sound "skånskt" |
| 15:10 kugg | no im not from "skåne" |
| 15:10 stockholm | good on you :-) |
| 15:11 kugg | i come from karlstad, as alfs, opal and stone are (other dd's) |
| 15:11 stockholm | ah, ok |
| 15:11 kugg | hehe |
| 15:12 kugg | are you at hacklab1? |
| 15:13 stockholm | jag? jag är i södertälje. :-) |
| 15:13 stockholm | åkte hem igår natt. |
| 15:13 lazyb0y | go away with those questionmarks.... |
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| 15:14 stockholm | motorvägen var aldig lika tommt än på middsommernatten kl. 3 |
| 15:14 kugg | haha |
| 15:14 stockholm | lazyb0y: häää? |
| 15:14 kugg | fin fint |
| 15:14 kugg | åäö |
| 15:14 kugg | förstår du mer nu lazyb0y? |
| Action: Mrfai_ .oO (too much off topic) |
| 15:15 stockholm | swedish is rather intuitve for germans :-) |
| 15:15 stockholm | right |
| 15:15 kugg | haha |
| 15:15 kugg | yeah lets talk about the future of fai |
| 15:16 kugg | what do you guys think about having framebuffermode on the terminal during isntallation with the swirl and stuff in the background |
| 15:17 stockholm | kugg: will that help to install fully automated? :-) |
| 15:17 stockholm | (in my case no one will ever see it :-) |
| 15:17 lazyb0y | kugg: good, butrnot by default! |
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| 15:18 kugg | im installing clients so in my case that would make the installation process look more official and nice |
| 15:18 stockholm | lazyb0y: i dont see anything on the etch-doc-todo that relates to the remapping of the commands |
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| 15:18 stockholm | right |
| 15:19 lazyb0y | I alslo like the idea of games and advertising(like: "g love henniing - right"), but I am often enough annoyed by not seeing enou of the log stuff just because I forgoit to touch .nocolorlogo in the nfsroot |
| 15:19 stockholm | kugg: even switching off the screen would help i guess |
| 15:19 kugg | hehe |
| 15:19 lazyb0y | stockholm: I don't know what you mean with remapping of commands |
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| 15:20 stockholm | lazyb0y: make-fai-nfsroot -> fai-make-nfsroot |
| 15:20 lazyb0y | so, it should be done, and made easy to get(the framebuffer stuff9), yes, but optional! |
| 15:20 stockholm | lazyb0y: fai-chboot -> fai-pxe-config |
| 15:20 stockholm | lazyb0y: all fai commands should start with fai- |
| 15:21 stockholm | lazyb0y: and they should give an idea to _new_ people what they do |
| 15:21 stockholm | chboot does not help much |
| 15:21 stockholm | and is misleading even |
| 15:21 kugg | ill be a little bit afk listening to a lunatic talk, about god and debian |
| 15:21 lazyb0y | stockholm: and do you think to change that by changing the doicumentation? :) |
| 15:21 psibox | starting all fai commands with fai- would be great... |
| 15:22 lazyb0y | apart of that: good idea! please file a wishlist bug about that |
| 15:22 stockholm | lazyb0y: no, i want to change the commands themself |
| 15:22 lazyb0y | stockholm: exact, but we where taling about docs the last minutes... |
| 15:22 stockholm | lazyb0y: as a compatibility layer we can have symlinks for a time |
| 15:22 lazyb0y | but it belongs to the development page, right |
| 15:22 stockholm | lazyb0y: AND i mentioned the remapping 2^10 times :-) |
| 15:24 lazyb0y | stockholm: I read remapping some more minutes ago, but had no idea what it was about.... |
| 15:24 lazyb0y | wahtever, file a wishlist bug, and send a patch - sound like easily to accoomplish |
| 15:24 stockholm | how can i rename "development plan" to "development roadmap"? |
| 15:26 lazyb0y | (at least the comat layer with symlinks, as long as this is apolicy-conform behaviour |
| 15:26 lazyb0y | stockholm: dunno - by reading the mediawiki docs and acting upoas it describes :) |
| 15:27 stockholm | yay |
| 15:28 lazyb0y | Mrfai_: the ddp doc policy (the "new" one which is being developed since 2002) suggest docbook sgml or xml. I |
| 15:28 lazyb0y | http://www.debian.net/doc/manuals/ddp-policy/ch-manuals.en.html#s3.1http://www.debian.net/doc/manuals/ddp-policy/ch-manuals.en.html#s3.1 |
| 15:31 Mrfai_ | lazyb0y: remind me later reading this |
| 15:33 lazyb0y | Mrfai_: I mail you |
| 15:34 lazyb0y | hmm, but, it's actually not that important - I only wanted to check myself that this docbook suggestion is written somewhere. in the end, the ddp project is a bit asleep, and the rest of the doc is 5 years old and only a "draft" |
| 16:06 lazyb0y | h |
| 16:06 lazyb0y | oops |
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| 20:29 MT | Mrfai, what's the rationale behind r4359? |
| 20:30 MT | why don't you use mkdir -p in all the cases? |
| 20:31 juri_ | mm. here i was popping in to ask the same question. |
| 20:31 Mrfai | MT: I think you are right. It's good that someone is looking at the commit mails. |
| 20:31 MT | :-) |
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| 22:35 juri_ | along those lines, it might be better policy to use <cr> to break seperate entries in the changelog, instead of commas. it'd result in better patches, anyways. |
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