[05:17] asw (~asw@karuna.med.harvard.edu) got netsplit. [05:18] asw (~asw@karuna.med.harvard.edu) returned to #fai. [05:46] meandtheshell (~markus@85.127.111.125) left irc: Quit: Leaving. [07:53] allee (~ach@dialin-145-254-254-010.pools.arcor-ip.net) joined #fai. [09:16] Mrfai (~lange@wired-251-252.internal.dc7.debconf.org) joined #fai. [09:40] tokkee (tokkee@casella.verplant.org) joined #fai. [09:41] Hi :-) [09:42] allee (~ach@dialin-145-254-254-010.pools.arcor-ip.net) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [10:20] kugg (~jerkeby@wireless-10-71.internal.dc7.debconf.org) joined #fai. [11:35] meandtheshell (~markus@85.127.102.3) joined #fai. [11:51] meandtheshell (~markus@85.127.102.3) left irc: Quit: Leaving. [11:55] meandtheshell (~markus@85.127.102.3) joined #fai. [13:18] tokkee: huhu and bye bye [13:20] lazyb0y: Have a nice trip! [13:26] byebye lazyb0y [13:29] I have already- meanwhile the wifi starts even working... [13:29] but i hate henfests [13:30] haha ok [13:30] well Ill see you next year [13:33] I guest that will happen... :) [14:05] lazyb0y, Mrfai: my problem is not solveable with the current live-initrd system [14:08] i talked to the network guy of the live-initrd system (mako, italian) and he wants ot add that feature [14:08] stockholm: the two network card thing? [14:08] yes [14:08] dhcp from the second [14:10] Mrfai_ (~lange@wireless-10-251.internal.dc7.debconf.org) joined #fai. [14:10] lazyb0y: did you get my NFSROOT changes detangeled by now? [14:11] lazyb0y, Mrfai_: it would be nice if i knew the name/email of the maco guy [14:11] so that i could contact him directly. [14:11] daniel should know [14:11] could you ask him? [14:12] Mrfai (~lange@wired-251-252.internal.dc7.debconf.org) left irc: Ping timeout: 480 seconds [14:18] stockholm: no, I lost track a little, and wrked on doc bugs instead.... [14:18] stockholm: i don't knowthe maco guy... [14:19] i did not know him either, but could you ask daniel? [14:22] stockholm: stockholm_ I don't know about the whole stuff - apart fromt he 5 words I wrote above - this is Thomas' work.... I'm workin on other things [14:23] so, you have to nag him, not me :) [14:24] stockholm: I didn;t get the NFSROOT changes. [14:24] stockholm: maco guy? Which maco guy? I have not idea of whom you are talking. [14:30] Mrfai_: mako is the network guy in the live-intird gang [14:30] did i tell that i reserved "too-much-crack.com" a while ago? [14:30] I just don't knowyet what to put there.... [14:30] sure, i can send the stuff to mrfai, too [14:31] or better: it's more about the overall appearance and presentation that I'm wondering abozut - there's enough content :) [14:31] Mrfai_: i want to contact that maco guy directly to work with him to get this feature into live-initrdbla :-) [14:31] not to offend you, stockholm, Mrfai., but it's just too funny to read that [14:31] but i dont even know how he is spelled or his real name [14:31] lazyb0y: what part? [14:32] the part with the maco gu [14:33] stockholm: look into penta. I think there was a talk about live-blabla things from a maco guy [14:33] oh [14:33] did not know [14:39] Mrfai_: I had a great talk with Wborgert before leaving about doc stuff! [14:39] sounds like docbook is defintely the way to go [14:41] ok [14:41] it's the most flexible, can produce the best quality of multiple output formats, and much more... [14:43] so, i have no idea for a timeframe, but before getting into major doc rewriting and adding and stuff, we could change to that. [14:44] (but the major docs bugs we have noww should be fixed in the old sgml stuff, i think) [14:44] or what do you think? [14:44] lazyb0y: I think you can delete people/lazyboy/r-2_8_4-fai-cd_sarge_fixes and also remove it from the wiki page. [14:44] Action: Mrfai_ just cleaning up his old branches [14:45] I will look into your doc fixes after debconf. Maybe the days when I'm still here in EDI [14:45] Mrfai_: can you write a mail plese, ? I'll do it at home then [14:46] yep. [14:46] you don't know what to do with that time in EDI anyway :) [14:47] i want to do the command remapping still [14:47] lazyb0y: can we also start a doc-resturcture wiki page? [14:49] stockholm: you can, but i doubt tere will be major work oin reworking the fai guide in the ear future [14:50] firt, we need to get the major bugs in there fixed - see the page etch-doc-todo - I got some of the stuff resolved in the last two days [14:50] and hope I'll continue to get rid of these things in the next weeks [14:50] but as soon as the guide is more up to date withj current fai functions, I won't do more on it [14:51] there is a swedish guy working on the swedish translation of the fai guide [14:51] i think he should instead rework the english one [14:51] but yes. there is a page called "development plan" already. if it's shirt what you propose, put it in there [14:51] shirt. right [14:52] if it's longer, put an info entry in the development page, and do an extra page for your proposals of restructuring [14:52] I'd rather not start translation and restructring before we migrated to the docbook format [14:52] shirt, yes, the train is shaking me like hell [14:52] I talked to the swedish guy and convinced him not to work on translating the guide yet. The benefit would be minor, and he's now working on faimond-gui helping making it look much more nicer. [14:53] yipeeh [14:53] cool [14:53] is he here? on irc? [14:53] I tinhink that's better. or heling with the other major doc bugs... [14:53] i forgot his nick [14:53] kugg is here, yes [14:54] nit here, i mean, there, you know [14:54] at the same time here and there, ut not here [14:54] nit nat not [14:54] lazyb0y: too much crack? [14:55] Mrfai_: YESSIR! [14:55] or, just not enough yet [14:55] hm [14:55] the maco guy is Marco Amadori [14:55] is there a way to get his email? [14:56] Mrfai_: cool subject - realy unusual that you write me a mail about that FAI thing! [14:57] im here [14:58] im the gui guy and im on debconf :) [14:58] stockholm: come on. You do not help from us for find the email of a person you know the full name and know that he's working on the live project. [14:59] stockholm: on some page of the talks are email adresses... but don#t ask me where exactly - the details page in the public events plan [14:59] s/not/not need/ [14:59] kugg: no. you're not here. you are only here! [15:00] kugg: great :-) [15:00] kugg: i recalled a nick starting with p. :-) [15:01] Mrfai_: i find a highly likele address on google and mailed daniel about him. [15:01] found even [15:02] on to the wiki... [15:04] lazyb0y: an extra page for restructuring? as a subpage of the development page? [15:04] hmm, aehm, whatever - just don't put it directly on the ony page when it gets too long [15:05] and look on the Etch-doc-todo page, there are some things oin the area on top which are not connected to bugs, which should also go into that new page then [15:05] a nick starting with p :) pkugg [15:06] ehe [15:06] kugg: what do you do with fai? [15:06] Nick change: kugg -> pkugg [15:06] :) [15:06] kugg: do you use it somewhere? [15:06] Nick change: pkugg -> kugg [15:06] pkugg: do you use it somewhere? [15:06] :-) [15:06] I use it at the form i work for [15:06] stickybit [15:07] we are using it for reinstalling broken latptops [15:07] I started using fai for about a year ago [15:07] and you live to tell about it! [15:07] that i do [15:07] stickybit.fi? [15:08] im listen ing to a talk and it would seem rude to focus more in irc .) [15:08] stickybit.se [15:08] you said you lived in helinki... [15:08] no [15:09] I have never said that but I have said to you that I am from sweden and you and i have been speaking swedish to eachother :P [15:09] helsingborg.. [15:09] yes [15:09] this is true :) [15:09] ok, i thought helsingborg was the swedish name of helsinki [15:09] what was that then? [15:09] ah helsingfors [15:10] is the name of helsinki [15:10] duh [15:10] ok [15:10] i mixed those up. [15:10] np [15:10] you did not sound "skånskt" [15:10] no im not from "skåne" [15:10] good on you :-) [15:11] i come from karlstad, as alfs, opal and stone are (other dd's) [15:11] ah, ok [15:11] hehe [15:12] are you at hacklab1? [15:13] jag? jag är i södertälje. :-) [15:13] åkte hem igår natt. [15:13] go away with those questionmarks.... [15:14] Action: lazyb0y has to set up UTF8 correctly... [15:14] motorvägen var aldig lika tommt än på middsommernatten kl. 3 [15:14] haha [15:14] lazyb0y: häää? [15:14] fin fint [15:14] åäö [15:14] förstår du mer nu lazyb0y? [15:15] Action: Mrfai_ .oO (too much off topic) [15:15] swedish is rather intuitve for germans :-) [15:15] right [15:15] haha [15:15] yeah lets talk about the future of fai [15:16] what do you guys think about having framebuffermode on the terminal during isntallation with the swirl and stuff in the background [15:17] kugg: will that help to install fully automated? :-) [15:17] (in my case no one will ever see it :-) [15:17] kugg: good, butrnot by default! [15:17] MT (~MT@M341P012.adsl.highway.telekom.at) joined #fai. [15:18] im installing clients so in my case that would make the installation process look more official and nice [15:18] lazyb0y: i dont see anything on the etch-doc-todo that relates to the remapping of the commands [15:18] Nick change: MT -> Guest146 [15:18] right [15:19] I alslo like the idea of games and advertising(like: "g love henniing - right"), but I am often enough annoyed by not seeing enou of the log stuff just because I forgoit to touch .nocolorlogo in the nfsroot [15:19] kugg: even switching off the screen would help i guess [15:19] hehe [15:19] stockholm: I don't know what you mean with remapping of commands [15:19] Nick change: Guest146 -> MT [15:20] lazyb0y: make-fai-nfsroot -> fai-make-nfsroot [15:20] so, it should be done, and made easy to get(the framebuffer stuff9), yes, but optional! [15:20] lazyb0y: fai-chboot -> fai-pxe-config [15:20] lazyb0y: all fai commands should start with fai- [15:21] lazyb0y: and they should give an idea to _new_ people what they do [15:21] chboot does not help much [15:21] and is misleading even [15:21] ill be a little bit afk listening to a lunatic talk, about god and debian [15:21] stockholm: and do you think to change that by changing the doicumentation? :) [15:21] starting all fai commands with fai- would be great... [15:22] apart of that: good idea! please file a wishlist bug about that [15:22] lazyb0y: no, i want to change the commands themself [15:22] stockholm: exact, but we where taling about docs the last minutes... [15:22] lazyb0y: as a compatibility layer we can have symlinks for a time [15:22] but it belongs to the development page, right [15:22] lazyb0y: AND i mentioned the remapping 2^10 times :-) [15:24] stockholm: I read remapping some more minutes ago, but had no idea what it was about.... [15:24] wahtever, file a wishlist bug, and send a patch - sound like easily to accoomplish [15:24] how can i rename "development plan" to "development roadmap"? [15:26] (at least the comat layer with symlinks, as long as this is apolicy-conform behaviour [15:26] stockholm: dunno - by reading the mediawiki docs and acting upoas it describes :) [15:27] yay [15:28] Mrfai_: the ddp doc policy (the "new" one which is being developed since 2002) suggest docbook sgml or xml. I [15:28] http://www.debian.net/doc/manuals/ddp-policy/ch-manuals.en.html#s3.1http://www.debian.net/doc/manuals/ddp-policy/ch-manuals.en.html#s3.1 [15:31] lazyb0y: remind me later reading this [15:33] Mrfai_: I mail you [15:34] hmm, but, it's actually not that important - I only wanted to check myself that this docbook suggestion is written somewhere. in the end, the ddp project is a bit asleep, and the rest of the doc is 5 years old and only a "draft" [16:06] h [16:06] oops [19:09] ErKa (keryell@keryell.pck.nerim.net) joined #fai. [19:20] Mrfai_ (~lange@wireless-10-251.internal.dc7.debconf.org) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [19:21] Mrfai (~lange@wired-251-252.internal.dc7.debconf.org) joined #fai. [19:23] ErKa (keryell@keryell.pck.nerim.net) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [20:04] allee (~ach@dialin-212-144-132-077.pools.arcor-ip.net) joined #fai. [20:29] Mrfai, what's the rationale behind r4359? [20:30] why don't you use mkdir -p in all the cases? [20:31] mm. here i was popping in to ask the same question. [20:31] MT: I think you are right. It's good that someone is looking at the commit mails. [20:31] :-) [20:40] Mrfai (~lange@wired-251-252.internal.dc7.debconf.org) left irc: Quit: leaving [20:49] kugg (~jerkeby@wireless-10-71.internal.dc7.debconf.org) left irc: Quit: leaving [20:55] MT (~MT@M341P012.adsl.highway.telekom.at) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [21:02] MT (~MT@M316P023.adsl.highway.telekom.at) joined #fai. [21:03] allee (~ach@dialin-212-144-132-077.pools.arcor-ip.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 480 seconds [21:03] Nick change: MT -> Guest168 [21:14] Guest168 (~MT@M316P023.adsl.highway.telekom.at) left irc: Quit: Guest168 [21:39] Mrfai (~lange@129.215.255.139) joined #fai. [22:35] along those lines, it might be better policy to use to break seperate entries in the changelog, instead of commas. it'd result in better patches, anyways. [22:46] jerkeby (~jerkeby@129.215.255.139) joined #fai. 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