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| 07:03 Bluemoon | guten morgen |
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| 07:08 Caldrin | Good morning. |
| 07:10 Caldrin | In a talk held at the Linuxtag in Berlin the speaker said RPM based distributions (SuSE and RedHat, both community and commercial in my case) are fully supported a installation base. Yet in the documentation I only found "under development... in the future.... someday ...". |
| 07:11 Caldrin | Which one is currently true? Is the docu outdated or was the speaker to enthusiastic? |
| 07:11 MT_ | most probably the docu is (very) outdated |
| 07:14 Caldrin | Ok, so I'll try. Thank you. |
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| 08:49 Caldrin | Hmm, seems FAI does not work well with Suse. No rpm packages and the svn checkout doesn't compile. |
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| 09:43 lazyb0y | Caldrin: which talk do you mean? |
| 09:43 lazyb0y | Caldrin: the docs are out of date |
| 09:44 lazyb0y | "fully supported" is not true depending on how you define that term |
| 09:44 Caldrin | Linuxtag in Berlin, Germany. I don't remember the name of the speaker. |
| 09:45 lazyb0y | I'd not put it that way exactly "fully supported" is a bit something else, it would also include good docs about how to do it and some examples - both don't exist |
| 09:45 lazyb0y | but for sure nobody ever said, running fai on a suse server is supported |
| 09:45 Caldrin | http://www.linuxtag.org/2007/de/conf/events/vp-donnerstag/vortragsdetails.html?talkid=62 |
| 09:45 Caldrin | Well maybe I got him wrong. |
| 09:46 lazyb0y | must be thomas langes / Mrfai s talk if it was only about fai, or mine if it was about xen, too |
| 09:46 lazyb0y | Caldrin: the page I see after this link os broken |
| 09:47 Caldrin | Hmm, works for me. Well, it was Thomas Lange. |
| 09:48 lazyb0y | ah, now i see it again, maybe they were just updateing the server or whatever... |
| 09:48 lazyb0y | Caldrin: what is right is: |
| 09:48 lazyb0y | 1) there is support for rpm/yast/yrpmi in the package lists of FAI |
| 09:49 lazyb0y | 2) there ois support for different base images of different distributions (we use images fir the absolute minimum, so we don't have to run debootstrap/yast into dir/yum into dir for this each install) |
| 09:49 lazyb0y | this is in first place all you need |
| 09:49 lazyb0y | and there is a guy doing these things in a very big setup |
| 09:49 lazyb0y | now the cons: |
| 09:50 lazyb0y | 1) this guy _never_ did document anything or give any example code to us yet |
| 09:50 lazyb0y | 2) there is nothing that helps you to create the minimal image in fai - you must do it on your own |
| 09:50 lazyb0y | 3) there is nearly no doc |
| 09:50 lazyb0y | ah, but I forgot an import upside: |
| 09:51 lazyb0y | we will help you with everything as fast as we can, and we are quite fast here at IRC |
| 09:51 Caldrin | Yes, I see this. |
| 09:51 lazyb0y | we basically need some testers to help try it and improve it - we don't have many suse gusy yet... |
| 09:51 lazyb0y | :) |
| 09:52 Caldrin | Hmm, my task is the following: We (meaning my colleagues) do kernel development. These patches need to be tested on different distributions, since experience shows, they behave differently even though they shouldn't. |
| 09:53 Caldrin | Thus is want to install the main distros (redhat, suse, debian, ...) and run tests on them. |
| 09:53 Caldrin | For various reasons my test machine is an OpenSuse 10.2 (well main reason: no 32 bit support on Debian64 and vice versa). |
| 09:54 Caldrin | So I need to run some tool to automatically install these distros on a Suse server. |
| 09:54 lazyb0y | Caldrin: ok, we did not yet port FAI to suse, but it should not be too hard |
| 09:55 lazyb0y | I'd be interested to help with this(we need that too to get world domination) |
| 09:55 Caldrin | lazyb0y: If I knew, I would definetly get what I want, installing a Debian server wouldn't be an issue that big. Hardware is no issue, time is. |
| 09:56 Caldrin | Alright, that settles it. I'll put it on my agenda. |
| 09:56 lazyb0y | Caldrin: if time is more an issue than HW, then get a debian server :) |
| 09:56 lazyb0y | you cna use a fai-cd.iso to get the basic fai server set up fast :) |
| 09:57 Caldrin | BTW you are a german, aren't you? In that case, it might be better to talk german anyway, so there's no need for double translation ;-) |
| 09:59 lazyb0y | Caldrin: fain, tun wir das! |
| 10:00 lazyb0y | du bist also gar kein alter Schwede... |
| 10:00 Caldrin | Eher nicht. |
| 10:01 lazyb0y | achja, das war nur der server... |
| 10:01 Mrfai | Caldrin: Wie sieht den deine Timeline aus? Klar am besten sollte alles gestern fertig sein. |
| 10:03 Caldrin | Ein voll funktionierendes Testsystem bis Ende des Jahres. Hab bisher mit Images gearbeitet. Das ist aber keine endgültige Lösung. |
| 10:04 Mrfai | ende des Jahres? Da koennen wir ja erstmal in Urlaub gehen. Das sollte locker zu schaffen sein. |
| 10:04 Caldrin | Ähm Moment. Voll funktionierend heißt ein bischen mehr als nur voll installierend. |
| 10:05 Caldrin | Wie schnell ist das denn zu schaffen? |
| 10:05 Caldrin | Ich passe dann meine Timeline daran an. |
| 10:07 Mrfai | Ich werd mich natuerlich nicht festelgen wie lang das dauert :-) Wer weiss das schon genau? Auf FAI Seite erwarte ich keine grossen Probleme, aber wer weiss schon wie Suse rumzickt? |
| 10:08 Mrfai | Ich weurde trotzdem umgehen anfangen, (z.B die FAI Doku lesen) dann wird es nach hinten heraus nicht stressig. |
| 10:08 Mrfai | Es ist jaauch nicht schlimm wenn du schon im September fetig bist. |
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| 17:58 lazyb0y | Mrfai: FAI is broken! |
| 17:58 lazyb0y | :) |
| 17:58 lazyb0y | dirinstall needs 712 secsond to finish, even if it already at the start found that it has "Problems accessing the config space." |
| 17:59 lazyb0y | I'm sending a mail with the full report... |
| 18:19 lazyb0y | hmm, he'll probably not respond as long his notebook lies 15cm from here, lid closed... |
| 18:52 juri_ | damned congoers. :) |
| 18:58 lazyb0y | juri_: you could have come yourself... |
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| 20:12 juri_ | lazy: i'm in the middle of the US, working two jobs, with a broke down car. ;) |
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