[04:08] asw (~asw@karuna.med.harvard.edu) got netsplit. [04:08] asw (~asw@karuna.med.harvard.edu) returned to #fai. [04:50] MT (~MT@dove.informatik.tu-muenchen.de) joined #fai. [05:34] MT (~MT@dove.informatik.tu-muenchen.de) left irc: Ping timeout: 480 seconds [05:45] MT (~MT@ppp-82-135-15-202.dynamic.mnet-online.de) joined #fai. [05:46] Nick change: MT -> Guest2177 [05:49] Guest2177 (~MT@ppp-82-135-15-202.dynamic.mnet-online.de) left irc: [06:40] MT_ (~MT@dove.informatik.tu-muenchen.de) joined #fai. [07:03] guten morgen [07:08] Caldrin (~mhentsc3@165.204.76.244) joined #fai. [07:08] Good morning. [07:10] In a talk held at the Linuxtag in Berlin the speaker said RPM based distributions (SuSE and RedHat, both community and commercial in my case) are fully supported a installation base. Yet in the documentation I only found "under development... in the future.... someday ...". [07:11] Which one is currently true? Is the docu outdated or was the speaker to enthusiastic? [07:11] most probably the docu is (very) outdated [07:14] Ok, so I'll try. Thank you. [07:33] MT (~MT@dove.informatik.tu-muenchen.de) joined #fai. [07:33] MT_ (~MT@dove.informatik.tu-muenchen.de) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [07:44] meandtheshell (~markus@85-125-230-243.dynamic.xdsl-line.inode.at) left irc: Quit: Leaving. [08:07] ErKa (keryell@m6.wifi.enstb.org) joined #fai. [08:46] allee (~ach@lapex-mcallee.mpe.mpg.de) joined #fai. [08:49] Hmm, seems FAI does not work well with Suse. No rpm packages and the svn checkout doesn't compile. [08:52] Mrfai (~lange@wireless-0-127.internal.dc7.debconf.org) joined #fai. [09:43] Caldrin: which talk do you mean? [09:43] Caldrin: the docs are out of date [09:44] "fully supported" is not true depending on how you define that term [09:44] Linuxtag in Berlin, Germany. I don't remember the name of the speaker. [09:45] I'd not put it that way exactly "fully supported" is a bit something else, it would also include good docs about how to do it and some examples - both don't exist [09:45] but for sure nobody ever said, running fai on a suse server is supported [09:45] http://www.linuxtag.org/2007/de/conf/events/vp-donnerstag/vortragsdetails.html?talkid=62 [09:45] Well maybe I got him wrong. [09:46] must be thomas langes / Mrfai s talk if it was only about fai, or mine if it was about xen, too [09:46] Caldrin: the page I see after this link os broken [09:47] Hmm, works for me. Well, it was Thomas Lange. [09:48] ah, now i see it again, maybe they were just updateing the server or whatever... [09:48] Caldrin: what is right is: [09:48] 1) there is support for rpm/yast/yrpmi in the package lists of FAI [09:49] 2) there ois support for different base images of different distributions (we use images fir the absolute minimum, so we don't have to run debootstrap/yast into dir/yum into dir for this each install) [09:49] this is in first place all you need [09:49] and there is a guy doing these things in a very big setup [09:49] now the cons: [09:50] 1) this guy _never_ did document anything or give any example code to us yet [09:50] 2) there is nothing that helps you to create the minimal image in fai - you must do it on your own [09:50] 3) there is nearly no doc [09:50] ah, but I forgot an import upside: [09:51] we will help you with everything as fast as we can, and we are quite fast here at IRC [09:51] Yes, I see this. [09:51] we basically need some testers to help try it and improve it - we don't have many suse gusy yet... [09:51] :) [09:52] Hmm, my task is the following: We (meaning my colleagues) do kernel development. These patches need to be tested on different distributions, since experience shows, they behave differently even though they shouldn't. [09:53] Thus is want to install the main distros (redhat, suse, debian, ...) and run tests on them. [09:53] For various reasons my test machine is an OpenSuse 10.2 (well main reason: no 32 bit support on Debian64 and vice versa). [09:54] So I need to run some tool to automatically install these distros on a Suse server. [09:54] Caldrin: ok, we did not yet port FAI to suse, but it should not be too hard [09:55] I'd be interested to help with this(we need that too to get world domination) [09:55] lazyb0y: If I knew, I would definetly get what I want, installing a Debian server wouldn't be an issue that big. Hardware is no issue, time is. [09:56] Alright, that settles it. I'll put it on my agenda. [09:56] Caldrin: if time is more an issue than HW, then get a debian server :) [09:56] you cna use a fai-cd.iso to get the basic fai server set up fast :) [09:57] BTW you are a german, aren't you? In that case, it might be better to talk german anyway, so there's no need for double translation ;-) [09:59] Caldrin: fain, tun wir das! [10:00] du bist also gar kein alter Schwede... [10:00] Eher nicht. [10:01] achja, das war nur der server... [10:01] Caldrin: Wie sieht den deine Timeline aus? Klar am besten sollte alles gestern fertig sein. [10:03] Ein voll funktionierendes Testsystem bis Ende des Jahres. Hab bisher mit Images gearbeitet. Das ist aber keine endgültige Lösung. [10:04] ende des Jahres? Da koennen wir ja erstmal in Urlaub gehen. Das sollte locker zu schaffen sein. [10:04] Ähm Moment. Voll funktionierend heißt ein bischen mehr als nur voll installierend. [10:05] Wie schnell ist das denn zu schaffen? [10:05] Ich passe dann meine Timeline daran an. [10:07] Ich werd mich natuerlich nicht festelgen wie lang das dauert :-) Wer weiss das schon genau? Auf FAI Seite erwarte ich keine grossen Probleme, aber wer weiss schon wie Suse rumzickt? [10:08] Ich weurde trotzdem umgehen anfangen, (z.B die FAI Doku lesen) dann wird es nach hinten heraus nicht stressig. [10:08] Es ist jaauch nicht schlimm wenn du schon im September fetig bist. [10:12] MT (~MT@dove.informatik.tu-muenchen.de) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [10:12] Nick change: h01ger -> edrz_ [10:13] MT (~MT@dove.informatik.tu-muenchen.de) joined #fai. [10:32] Nick change: edrz_ -> h01ger [11:04] ErKa (keryell@m6.wifi.enstb.org) left irc: Ping timeout: 480 seconds [11:07] Mrfai (~lange@wireless-0-127.internal.dc7.debconf.org) left irc: Ping timeout: 480 seconds [11:13] ErKa (keryell@m6.wifi.enstb.org) joined #fai. [11:39] MT (~MT@dove.informatik.tu-muenchen.de) left irc: Ping timeout: 480 seconds [11:41] Mrfai (~lange@wireless-1-92.internal.dc7.debconf.org) joined #fai. 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[18:19] hmm, he'll probably not respond as long his notebook lies 15cm from here, lid closed... [18:52] damned congoers. :) [18:58] juri_: you could have come yourself... [19:36] paljas (~paljas@sarastro.cs.uu.nl) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [20:12] lazy: i'm in the middle of the US, working two jobs, with a broke down car. ;) [20:43] meandtheshel1 (~markus@85-125-230-243.dynamic.xdsl-line.inode.at) joined #fai. [21:21] Mrfai (~lange@wireless-2-126.internal.dc7.debconf.org) left irc: Quit: Lost terminal [21:48] ErKa (keryell@keryell.pck.nerim.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 480 seconds [22:01] MT_ (~MT@ppp-82-135-91-172.dynamic.mnet-online.de) joined #fai. [22:01] MT_ (~MT@ppp-82-135-91-172.dynamic.mnet-online.de) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [22:02] MT_ (~MT@ppp-82-135-91-172.dynamic.mnet-online.de) joined #fai. [22:03] MT (~MT@dove.informatik.tu-muenchen.de) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [22:05] Action: juri_ toddles homeward. 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